Detox while breastfeeding - Page 5

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

Well, correcting the biochemistry will change a LOT. it doesn't directly address the mental and emotional, but those can shift when you are properly nourished. Homeopathy works to shift all of them in a more direct fashion. At least that's how I see it. Changing biochemistry allows other things to start to regulate. Homeopathy creates the impetus for all of it to shift together.

This is the path that I've gone down, and I'm pleased with the results for me, and us, so far. I don't think I could've done much more than gfcf without also starting to feel better--I needed more immediate results. But pills also probably helped me quite a bit because I was so nutritionally depleted. And I've been shocked at the changes in my outlook, in my perception of the world, that's come with detoxification. Makes me wonder how good things will be once I find a homeopath.

But actually for my husband, I think he needs that kick-start from something energetic, which is why I posted on the Homeopathy support thread. We're doing the biochem-type support stuff that I think he needs (though I am re-evaluating some and tweaking a bit now), and progress is small, and I think mostly related to changing our attitudes. So I can see it working better one way or another for some people, or maybe it's just a matter of finding the right HCP that you click with, somewhat separate from what they actually practice.

[sonnambula]

Originally Posted by whoMe

While we're on the topic of biochem and homeopathy, how possible is it to determine someone's remedy just by knowing their biochemistry? Cause it seems like there are a LOT of connections there.

welcome to my thesis! The answer is that you can't, however it can give significant clues. There is still a whole case to be taken. I am going to be using clinical testing to determine what the correlation is and if you can work backwards to narrow down the choices, or opt out of certain groups based on results from testing.

There are certain things in homeopathy that are known. Different constitutional types have different requirements and needs. For instance Calc. carbs will just about always crave eggs. It's a very strong keynote. They also have a certain "look" to them that is described in the literature (which is what I would call a metal toxic look.) Many of their symptoms match metal toxicity in general and they tend to have very difficult and delayed dentition. So going on that I think you can predict, to a certain extent what their bloodwork may look like and how they handle environmental contaminations. The mentals of calc carb are anxiety, fear and feeling overwhelmed (any pathways coming to mind? ) They are worse ascending (adrenal issues?) They crave eggs and will always feel better eating them (sulfation pathways?)

I could go on and on and on....but yes. I think there's a link and I'm going to find it! It will never be sufficient to prescribe on in a vacuum...but it's probably very relevant.

[sonnambula]

Originally Posted by gilamama

the only real "change" since i took the remedy perscribed to e is that i am making or startnigto make alot of positive changes in my life. checking out having a career maybe. posting abt myself here, keeping my houise cleaner. but that could just be that i am *more* post pardum now and life is faling mroe into place. i dont know if its the remedy or of its doing nothing. and i dont have money really for all this at all!!!

As you know the first place you look for changes is in the emotional and mental spheres. It certainly seems as though things are moving.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

welcome to my thesis! The answer is that you can't, however it can give significant clues. There is still a whole case to be taken. I am going to be using clinical testing to determine what the correlation is and if you can work backwards to narrow down the choices, or opt out of certain groups based on results from testing.

So how about turning it around? Can you determine the biochemistry based on the remedy?

(My head has a huge void on all this homeopathy stuff... It seems SO relevant, yet SO lacking in explanation of how it works. Add dh's strong (almost paranoid?) aversions, and how much I want to learn the biochem, and there's just not any room left for me to make the connections on my own.)

[sonnambula]

noone has done it so far, but that's what I want to understand more clearly. Many remedies discuss skin problem, endocrine imbalances, nutritional deficiencies and allergies. These of course relate specifically in many ways to biochemical function. So it's a matter of getting the whole picture. This doesnt' take the miasms into account (insofar as what the dominant miasm is) but there are some pretty strong predictors.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

welcome to my thesis! The answer is that you can't, however it can give significant clues. There is still a whole case to be taken. I am going to be using clinical testing to determine what the correlation is and if you can work backwards to narrow down the choices, or opt out of certain groups based on results from testing.

There are certain things in homeopathy that are known. Different constitutional types have different requirements and needs. For instance Calc. carbs will just about always crave eggs. It's a very strong keynote. They also have a certain "look" to them that is described in the literature (which is what I would call a metal toxic look.) Many of their symptoms match metal toxicity in general and they tend to have very difficult and delayed dentition. So going on that I think you can predict, to a certain extent what their bloodwork may look like and how they handle environmental contaminations. The mentals of calc carb are anxiety, fear and feeling overwhelmed (any pathways coming to mind? ) They are worse ascending (adrenal issues?) They crave eggs and will always feel better eating them (sulfation pathways?)

I could go on and on and on....but yes. I think there's a link and I'm going to find it! It will never be sufficient to prescribe on in a vacuum...but it's probably very relevant.

Well, if you are looking for people to test your thesis on, let me know. We're up for it and just a short car ride away.

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Isn't it always?
<money money money, must be funny...>

We love that movie!

Originally Posted by chlobo

This is the paradox of being worn out. We need to heal ourselves but are too tired and brain fogged to be able to do it.

Someone just tell me what to do, already. lol.

: There are days when I have all the energy in the world to try and figure out this seemingly unending puzzle, and just as many days when I am so overwhelmed with it all that I just want someone to say, do this and that and you'll feel better.

[MyLittleWonders]

Oh, and a question I had about detox while breastfeeding. My nursling is 33 months old (well, just about). He nurses usually 2x a day (morning and night) and once in a while in the middle of the day (like today when he took a nap at 3:30). Is detoxing while nursing an older nursling less "risky" than with a little one? Should I slip him some sodium ascorbate into his juice or something each day just to help with anything he might be getting from me?

[neveryoumindthere]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

We love that movie!

: There are days when I have all the energy in the world to try and figure out this seemingly unending puzzle, and just as many days when I am so overwhelmed with it all that I just want someone to say, do this and that and you'll feel better.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...8#post13266818

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

no, your natural brilliance and curiosity is allowing you to understand all of this, the remedy can't take credit for that (though it can take credit for bringing mental clarity and clearing a mental fog!) You don't need to understand anything for the biochemistry to change. In fact knowing about it doesnt' change a thing. Our ancestors couldn't tell you how many pathways we have and what nutrients are essential for the different phases of detoxification.

That isn't to say knowledge isn't power. Knowledge of certain processes can give you the impetus to make environmental and nutritional changes and that can certainly alter your pathways. But you still have to change those things.

The remedy changes things on a cellular level. You dont' actually need to participate for that to happen!

Have I told you lately that I you? You always seem to know when I need extra love somehow. (Been an emotional day over here for me.)
Your answer is about what I expected. Thank you. Although I'm still trying to figure out if it was the thyroid med switch or my remedy that got rid of the brain fog. I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter, but if it comes back it was obviously (imo) the remedy.

Originally Posted by sonnambula

There are certain things in homeopathy that are known. Different constitutional types have different requirements and needs.

Perhaps a silly question, but would learning your constitutional type possibly tell you things you didn't realize about yourself? Would a homeopath willingly share with a patient what their type (the patient's) is?

Originally Posted by sonnambula

As you know the first place you look for changes is in the emotional and mental spheres. It certainly seems as though things are moving.

Needed this reminder today too. I've been so incredibly emotional today, really... I don't normally get like this (even if I am pregnant).

[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by farmerjess

I too am wondering about detoxing into my 4 month old as I am starting this process.

Is 4 months too young to be giving him epsom salts baths?

Is there anything else that I should be doing for him or giving him?

I am already taken a butt load of vit c

BUMP!

I would like to know as well. I have a 13 month old and want to BF a long time but also keep working on my health.

[momofmine]

I don't know that this is directly answering the question, but I remember sonnambula saying she did go ahead with detox stuff while nursing because she knew weighed the risk/benefit ratio, and it was better to get it moving and out, instead, of constantly streaming into the baby, and she was supporting everyone's liver along the way. I think if you are doing it in a way that is not a huge dump at once, and you are doing everything to be sure the detox pathways are all open and not clogged or broken down at any point, then yes, I would want to be moving stuff out rather than continue to pass it on to my baby.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine

I don't know that this is directly answering the question, but I remember sonnambula saying she did go ahead with detox stuff while nursing because she knew weighed the risk/benefit ratio, and it was better to get it moving and out, instead, of constantly streaming into the baby, and she was supporting everyone's liver along the way. I think if you are doing it in a way that is not a huge dump at once, and you are doing everything to be sure the detox pathways are all open and not clogged or broken down at any point, then yes, I would want to be moving stuff out rather than continue to pass it on to my baby.

Yeah... What I mean for this thread to be is to figure out what are the no brainer, yes, that's safe while breastfeeding (I'm thinking clay, vitamin C, milk thistle?) and what's something you want to actually think about because there are risks associated (lemon juice, iodine, etc)

[tanyalynn]

I started epsom salt baths with my son around 14mos old, I can't think of a reason why it would be problematic in an infant.

I think the key to this is really to have a lot in place already for methods of excretion--vit/min support for detox pathways, vitC (and be willing to go up if you start something that increases toxins), clay seems to help, I use modifilan for us since it's for metals and that's our thing. And have stuff to help kiddo--because if you have a significant toxic load problem, then your child does too. If it's a more temporary/recent thing, I'd still want to support as much as possible but there's less downside risk (though I admit it can be hard to tell what's going on when you're in the middle of it).

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Yeah... What I mean for this thread to be is to figure out what are the no brainer, yes, that's safe while breastfeeding (I'm thinking clay, vitamin C, milk thistle?) and what's something you want to actually think about because there are risks associated (lemon juice, iodine, etc)

Along those lines... oil of oregano, not particularly recommended for nursing moms because it can decrease supply (not guaranteed, I don't think, but something to seriously consider).

And, I can say from personal experience, if you have a minor candida problem, it may be okay to just take a capsule (but better to have something on-hand in case it's stronger than you expect) but if your candida problem is more extensive, it'll cause serious distress and you will really, really want something already at home to help. When desperate, I've read activated charcoal works for this (it'll sop up other supps as well, and in general isn't good for absorbing other stuff you've eaten/taken recently) but it's fairly available. For folks with metal issues, modifilan would work (only available online I think).

Also--my HCP is okay with me taking pretty much any vitamin or mineral for detox support, except iodine (already discussed, possibilities of moving metals and halogens, so it needs to be weighed). And I can say that of the vits/mins I've taken, I haven't seen issues for me or my son (back when he was nursing, I mean).

[newcastlemama]

Thanks this is the kind of info I was looking for. I definately think that is it more beneficial to BF and detox. My dcs seem to have done very well despite my issues. I just want to be gentle on dd's system and keep her comfortable. I am only giving her hvclo at this point but if I start to notice her reacting I will start epsom baths and try a little SA.

(I am not sure how signifigant my detox issues areat this point..I have been working on my health for 3 years..my main issue now is my food intolerances and inability to raise my ferritin levels. I am thinking my lack stomach acid is *huge* for me since I started have gallbaldder pain in Nov but this week it practically non-exisitant since implementing my dextox pathway protocol...I think the stomach acids will break down those problematic proteins and let my liver store the iron.)

[tanyalynn]

I've found that SA in my nurseling was a good indicator that I was increasing my circulating toxic load, even before I felt bad or he behaved oddly. I think it's worthwhile just from that perspective. And by taking bowel tolerance C myself, I a) transferred a fair amount of C to my nurseling, b) gave a good path of excretion for the toxins, and c) could monitor which direction my circulating toxic load was going. With my son, I increased his toxic load with neither of us feeling bad or having behavioral issues (him, though I think my behavior was ok ).

[WuWei]

Bumping.


Pat

[rileyscoutmom]

I have been giving my dd epsom salt baths since about 4 months - ped said it was not a problem or concern at all.

Karen

[FairyRae]

Kombucha and nursing?

Just another one I'd be interested in learning more about! (I've been told it can be too risky in terms of detox, but I'm still a newbie to all this stuff and would love to learn more!)