Risk factors for severe measles - Page 3

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Are you by any chance into homeopathy? I ask not to poke fun, but because it'll save a lot of time if I know where you're coming from in regard to health.

Anything that supports and maintains homeostasis. However, vaccines and drugs are notorious threats.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

Anything that supports and maintains homeostasis. However, vaccines and drugs are notorious threats.

OK. You're into other stuff too, but it's all interconnected within a homoeopathic view of medicine?

Edit ----->
I should probably have said a homoeopathic view of disease. Maybe it doesn't matter.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

I think there's plenty of people who live above poverty but still have terrible diets. I think Vitamin A could still play a huge roll in "normal, healthy" people, too.

Yes.
I do not know how the ill people were being treated. And I do not think the media would report on the nutritional status of the children/people who has serious complications or death. I do not think this is a minor detail.
I was struck by the number of children under 2, and I could not help but wonder if their mothers had had wild measles and had breastfed them.

When a child has serious complications or death from measles, I want to understand what is similar and different between that child and my own.

I had measles at the age of 9. It was not fun and I was quite sick. But nothing permanent, and I am obviously still alive.
I was struck by what I read that girls are more affected than boys. I think that was the case in our family. I will have to ask my mum.
I did had a mother who knew how to nurse a sick child with high fever.

For my family, I am confident that we will manage measles. I also know that if there were to be serious complications, there is a very high level of medical care available where I live. From what I have read I am confident I am stacking the odds in our favour. And it helps that it is not just something I have read about. I have lived it.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by carriebft

so you are saying they all died from vaccine or drug induced encephalitis? despite not having had the vaccine? and where is your proof of the 'drugs' causing their deaths?

The proof is that they were all treated with toxic intravenous drugs. All drugs given intravenously travels directly to the brain bypassing the liver. Read the package inserts and you will always find CNS involvement. Of course these doctors will never admit the fact. They will always blame the disease.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

The proof is that they were all treated with toxic intravenous drugs. All drugs given intravenously travels directly to the brain bypassing the liver. Read the package inserts and you will always find CNS involvement. Of course these doctors will never admit the fact. They will always blame the disease.

We're going outside of my competence here, but do ALL drugs given intravenously travel to the brain? What about the blood/brain barrier I'm sure I've heard about.

[carriebft]

I don't have the medical records for these kids, so I can't comment on what their treatment was, but I do not agree with your claims and I see no evidence for them. But I think it would be pointless to attempt to argue about it, so I will just drop it.

but so note that there were measles related deaths way before the vaccine or intravenous drugs...so....

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

OK. You're into other stuff too, but it's all interconnected within a homoeopathic view of medicine?

Edit ----->
I should probably have said a homoeopathic view of disease. Maybe it doesn't matter.

Homeostasis in Modern Medicine? It doesn't exist when you have vaccines and drugs as the answer to every disease. And I am sure Modern Medicine will not survive without them.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

Yes.
I do not know how the ill people were being treated. And I do not think the media would report on the nutritional status of the children/people who has serious complications or death. I do not think this is a minor detail.
I was struck by the number of children under 2, and I could not help but wonder if their mothers had had wild measles and had breastfed them.

When a child has serious complications or death from measles, I want to understand what is similar and different between that child and my own.

I had measles at the age of 9. It was not fun and I was quite sick. But nothing permanent, and I am obviously still alive.
I was struck by what I read that girls are more affected than boys. I think that was the case in our family. I will have to ask my mum.
I did had a mother who knew how to nurse a sick child with high fever.

For my family, I am confident that we will manage measles. I also know that if there were to be serious complications, there is a very high level of medical care available where I live. From what I have read I am confident I am stacking the odds in our favour. And it helps that it is not just something I have read about. I have lived it.

I read that there was a study in Africa about hospitalized measles cases - they tested the vit A levels of all these kids that had seemed "perfectly healthy" (I realize it might be different levels of "health" in Africa than America, but still interesting) both patients that showed symptoms of vit A deficiency and patients with no symptoms. The found that the vast majority of the hospitalized cases were severely vit A deficient and treated with vit a. They had an exceptionally high recovery rate.

I wish I had a link to this study. Surely someone else knows of it?

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

Homeostasis in Modern Medicine? It doesn't exist when you have vaccines and drugs as the answer to every disease. And I am sure Modern Medicine will not survive without them.

Look. You believe in a totally different theory of disease, health, etc.... Vaccination is just one instance of that difference. If for a moment I hypothetically accepted a homoeopathic model of disease I would agree with your analysis of vaccination. I don't, I'm not sure how to proceed with a discussion of vaccination on this basis. If you can think of a way, I'm happy to give it a go.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

We're going outside of my competence here, but do ALL drugs given intravenously travel to the brain? What about the blood/brain barrier I'm sure I've heard about.

Blood-brain barrier is essential in normal circulation, that is after drugs are censored by the liver. Anything that disturbs this process is always a threat not only to the brain but to other end-organs like the liver, kidneys etc. And besides all vaccines and drugs, by their true nature, are toxic.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

I read that there was a study in Africa about hospitalized measles cases - they tested the vit A levels of all these kids that had seemed "perfectly healthy" (I realize it might be different levels of "health" in Africa than America, but still interesting) both patients that showed symptoms of vit A deficiency and patients with no symptoms. The found that the vast majority of the hospitalized cases were severely vit A deficient and treated with vit a. They had an exceptionally high recovery rate.

I wish I had a link to this study. Surely someone else knows of it?

you can just google scholar vitamin A and measles and tons of them come up.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

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I wish I had a link to this study. Surely someone else knows of it?

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/3/160

CONCLUSIONS. Treatment with vitamin A reduces morbidity and mortality in measles, and all children with severe measles should be given vitamin A supplements, whether or not they are thought to have a nutritional deficiency.

This one?

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Look. You believe in a totally different theory of disease, health, etc.... Vaccination is just one instance of that difference. If for a moment I hypothetically accepted a homoeopathic model of disease I would agree with your analysis of vaccination. I don't, I'm not sure how to proceed with a discussion of vaccination on this basis. If you can think of a way, I'm happy to give it a go.

Don't make this complicated. Vaccines and drugs do not support homeostasis but rather destroy it. If you think they are, let me know.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

a homoeopathic model of disease

I am curious as to what this is?

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/3/160


This one?

Yes, thanks! I need to bookmark.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by carriebft

I don't have the medical records for these kids, so I can't comment on what their treatment was, but I do not agree with your claims and I see no evidence for them. But I think it would be pointless to attempt to argue about it, so I will just drop it.

but so note that there were measles related deaths way before the vaccine or intravenous drugs...so....

For doctors, treatment always involves drugs and that's for sure. Although you seldom read it in the news---to them, they shouldn't be blamed anyhow.

The underlying cause of perceived measles deaths is starvation, if not doctor-related.

[k9sarchik]

The number of deaths reported in Europe from measles 2006-current are approximately the same # of deaths reported in 2008 in the VAERS Database to the MMR Vaccine.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

For doctors, treatment always involves drugs and that's for sure.

My dad's doctor thinks he may be a celiac. He has advised him to try changing his diet.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I am curious as to what this is?

Th1Th2 could probably give you a better explanation than I can. I take it you understand the whole thing about put your active ingredient in solution and keep shaking it and diluting it down until (if you want it to be really powerful) there is, with astronomical certainty, no longer any atoms of the active ingredient...

Beyond here I will almost certainly go wrong and Th1Th2 will perhaps be good enough to offer a corrected version.

There is normally an explanation of how this works involving vibrations and energy (not energy in the sense meant in Physics). This is where people start to blend it in with all the other alternative therapies into 'energy medicine'. Substances have kind of like a vibrational signature, or essence, as do diseases and probably other stuff. Illness in the body takes the form of malign vibrational energy. Illnesses can be produced by substances that have similar vibrations to the illness. A lot of people who believe mobile phones cause cancer believe in this and I did a bunch of reading in this context. Some people tie this in to an explanation of telepathy and all sort of other things paranormal.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

My dad's doctor thinks he may be a celiac. He has advised him to try changing his diet.

The same is true with the measles. It doesn't require any drug treatment at all. Unfortunately, it does not happen all the time in front of a doctor. He will create sequelae in order to initiate drug treatment.