Hep. B vaccine - Page 3

[mamakay]

DOes the vaccine insert for the Hep B vaccine actually say that the vaccine may actually cause Hep B? Has there ever been a case reported of a child that was vaccinated for Hep B testing positive for the disease solely from being vaccinated?

No, and no.

[PaigeC]

Wow, I have never heard anyone besides Offit defend the hep B vaccine. Even all the pediatricians I interviewed prior to dd birth who wouldn't take us because we weren't vaxing stated that this vax is unnecessary. The pediatricians at the hospital didn't give us a hard time about Hep B and they spent quite a bit of time arguing with us about vit K.

IMO, vaccinating infants for something that we *know* isn't even a moderate problem in their age group is criminal.

Event Category Count Percent (of 37,644)
Death 640 1.70%
Life Threatening 747 1.98%
Permanent Disability 942 2.50%
Hospitalized 2,808 7.46%
Hospitalized, Prolonged 182 0.48%
Emergency Room 14,043 37.30%
Not Serious 33,388 88.69%

These numbers are estimated to represent, according to the CDC, 1-10% of actual cases since 1990. Source VAERS

That poor baby, and the poor parents who trusted their doctors.

ETA: it wont let me format that data at all...sorry it is s ugly

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

DOes the vaccine insert for the Hep B vaccine actually say that the vaccine may actually cause Hep B? Has there ever been a case reported of a child that was vaccinated for Hep B testing positive for the disease solely from being vaccinated?

While I agree that it is ridiculous to vaccinate all newborns just because I have never heard of a single case of an infant contracting Hep B from the vaccine.

Of course, the package insert will not use the word INFECTED via HBV vaccine because it will only scare people from getting vaccinated, so they will avoid that word and use EXPOSED to HBV instead. Check this out:

the following guidelines are recommended for persons who have been exposed to hepatitis B virus such as through (1) percutaneous (needlestick), ocular, mucous membrane exposure to blood known or presumed to contain HBsAg, (2) human bites by known or presumed HBsAg carriers, that penetrate the skin, or (3) following intimate sexual contact with known or presumed HBsAg carriers.

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf

Is vaccination (intramuscular injection) of HEPATITIS B VACCINE which contains HBsAg actually a percutaneous (needlestick) esposure to blood known or presumed to contain HBsAg from natural infection?

Therefore, everytime they check for anti-HBs levels from vaccination and turns out positive, well, congratulations you are IMMUNED from HBV where in fact, you just got INFECTED from HepB vaccine and your innate immune system just did its job to fight it.

The mere introduction of any component of HBV to a non-diseased newborn is a physiological evidence of an acquired disease. So why INJECT HeB vaccine to non-diseased newborns when they are NOT supposed to get it?

[Magali]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

Of course, the package insert will not use the word INFECTED via HBV vaccine because it will only scare people from getting vaccinated, so they will avoid that word and use EXPOSED to HBV instead. Check this out:



Is vaccination (intramuscular injection) of HEPATITIS B VACCINE which contains HBsAg actually a percutaneous (needlestick) esposure to blood known or presumed to contain HBsAg from natural infection?

Therefore, everytime they check for anti-HBs levels from vaccination and turns out positive, well, congratulations you are IMMUNED from HBV where in fact, you just got INFECTED from HepB vaccine and your innate immune system just did its job to fight it.

The mere introduction of any component of HBV to a non-diseased newborn is a physiological evidence of an acquired disease. So why INJECT HeB vaccine to non-diseased newborns when they are NOT supposed to get it?

Wow. I never thought of it like that before. Thanks for explaining. Gives me something more to think about.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by Magali

Wow. I never thought of it like that before. Thanks for explaining. Gives me something more to think about.

Sure. And this same principle applies to ALL vaccines out there precisely because of the very TRUE nature of vaccination which is the inoculation of disease-causing microorganisms in the bloodstream.

[Marnica]

[QUOTE=mesdtudentmom;13277916]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

"For a pediatrician to attack what has become the "bread and butter" of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope."-------Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. This is self-explanatory.

A little background on Dr.M

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mendelson.html

You should really do your research about Dr. Barrett who is the founder of "quackwatch". He is a has been psychiatrist who "retired" in 1993 and let his medical license lapse. He considers himself an expert in everything when he has no training. He speaks out against EVERYTHING that is not allopathic medicine. He has financial ties to FDA, CDC and Big Pharma. Her is sue happy and has NEVER WON ANY OF HIS CASES. Some of the actual transcripts of his cases are on this website http://www.quackpotwatch.org/

Assuming that people here cannot understand the risks of disease because they are not doctors who have been medically trained is presumptuous and insulting. There is plenty of scientific evidence about the dangers of the Hep B vax...far too many to list here.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by alegna

Stats? Even the CDC says that your chance is higher of having an adverse vaccine reaction than even *contracting* ANY of the vaccine available diseases.

-Angela

Angela,

Do you have a link for this? I'm curious...

Thanks!

[alegna]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Angela,

Do you have a link for this? I'm curious...

Thanks!

I don't have time to get it right now (nak) but it's on the front page of the pink book

-Angela

[kiara7]

"For a pediatrician to attack what has become the "bread and butter" of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope."-------Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. This is self-explanatory.

A little background on Dr.M

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mendelson.html

Nothing like going against the medical profession and putting the knowledge into the hands of the parents, and you are a quack.

[MyBoysBlue]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Angela,

Do you have a link for this? I'm curious...

Thanks!

I've got it:

Chapter 4: Vaccine Safety of the PinkBook third paragraph down.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm

[mamakay]

[ericswifey27]

Originally Posted by mesdtudentmom

Many more people die of liver failure secondary to Hep B infection..not to mention liver cancer- also directly related to infection with Hep B. Hospitals are full of them....slow.. painful..jaundiced deaths that are just as horrific as the pictures on the website you mentioned.

There is a much greater risk of contracting Hep B over a lifetime than having an adverse reaction to a vaccine.

Be smart, please educate yourself, go visit people dying from Hep B before deciding not to vaccinate. You'll find them in the hospices, in the hospitals.

Will try to say this more politely this time...

If "be smart, educate yourself" means go get a medical degree, I'll pass. I am quite intelligent, I am very educated, and I am getting pretty decent at deciphering the medical journals I can get my hands on.

The real issue here is not whether Hep B can cause adults to suffer and languish in their hospice beds. The real issue is that instead of zeroing in on those most susceptible to Hep B infection, the medical establishment has decided to advocate "blanket immunization" of newborns in the hospitals, regardless of their true risk for Hep B infection and in spite of adverse reactions occurring. This is especially troubling considering the Hep B vaccine states that if you are allergic to any of its components to not vaccinate. How would a newborn even have the chance to prove an allergy... until after being vaccinated and suffering an adverse event? Why not wait?

So instead of the horror stories about adults I want to know how many NEWBORNS do you know dying of Hep B?

Also are you aware how it is transmitted? If so why not promote the vaccine to someone who actually has known risk factors?

Also totally irrelevant, but would you rather contract Hep B as an adult and have lived a full life, (by the way you CAN opt to vaccinate for Hep B later in life if you wish) or watch your baby die from a NEEDLESS vaccine best meant for drug abusers, prostitutes, and maybe plumbers?

Originally Posted by mesdtudentmom

I clearly stated one has a higher chance of contracting Hep B over a lifetime- that is the beauty of the Hep B vaccine..lifetime protection. Unlike other vaccines, which are aimed to protect children/infants during the younger years, Hep B is often contracted as an adult, many times through unprotected sex. Interestingly, HBV infection can occur among infants who are born to HbsAg-negative mothers.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, and lifetime protection cannot be guaranteed here, wouldn't you agree?.

If you know Hep B is often contracted as an adult, through unprotected sex, why are you willing to vaccinate a newborn instead of waiting until that newborn at least reaches puberty or becomes more at risk? Is it because it is easier? Is it more cost-effective? What about the babies who have adverse reactions? Is that just par for the course, collateral damage, to be expected? How is this justifiable, really?

You may call my stories fear-mongering, but I speak the truth regarding how I've experienced it.

Ditto.

It's unfortunate that so many here seem to think doctors are out to maim their children.

The maiming may be unintentional but it's still harm coming from a person in a position of trust.
It's also unfortunate some medical professionals think parents are out to maim their own children. Most of us want what is best for our children, wouldn't you agree?

I'm interested in knowing- are those of you who are posting against the Hep B vaccine scientists? PhDs or MD/DOs with extensive training in the field? Do you have reputable sources to substantiate not getting the hep B vaccine? Reputable scientific proof, not just random quotes from someone on the fringe of their field? Most pediatricians go through the 12 yrs.+ training because they LOVE children and want to dedicate their lives to helping and healing little ones. Many decisions in life depend on weighing one risk over another. As a mother and a scientist, I know what decisions I'll make to keep my children healthy.

I'm also interested in knowing- are those of you who are heralding the Hep B vaccine for newborns- mothers who have first-hand knowledge of the adverse reactions that can happen as a result of vaccination? Do you have reputable information (not linked to pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists etc.) showing that this vaccine IS NOT causing these reactions? Most parents go through the years+ of parenting/training because they also love children and want to dedicate their lives to helping their children to grow into healthy productive adults as well. As a mom (and a scientist in my own right) I know what decisions I'll make to keep my children healthy too.

[smeep]

Did anyone read the part that said he was doing better then accidentally givven an antibiotic they already knew he was allergic to? That disturbs the hell out of me.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by ericswifey27

Will try to say this more politely this time...

If "be smart, educate yourself" means go get a medical degree, I'll pass. I am quite intelligent, I am very educated, and I am getting pretty decent at deciphering the medical journals I can get my hands on.

The real issue here is not whether Hep B can cause adults to suffer and languish in their hospice beds. The real issue is that instead of zeroing in on those most susceptible to Hep B infection, the medical establishment has decided to advocate "blanket immunization" of newborns in the hospitals, regardless of their true risk for Hep B infection and in spite of adverse reactions occurring. This is especially troubling considering the Hep B vaccine states that if you are allergic to any of its components to not vaccinate. How would a newborn even have the chance to prove an allergy... until after being vaccinated and suffering an adverse event? Why not wait?

So instead of the horror stories about adults I want to know how many NEWBORNS do you know dying of Hep B?

Also are you aware how it is transmitted? If so why not promote the vaccine to someone who actually has known risk factors?

Also totally irrelevant, but would you rather contract Hep B as an adult and have lived a full life, (by the way you CAN opt to vaccinate for Hep B later in life if you wish) or watch your baby die from a NEEDLESS vaccine best meant for drug abusers, prostitutes, and maybe plumbers?



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, and lifetime protection cannot be guaranteed here, wouldn't you agree?.

If you know Hep B is often contracted as an adult, through unprotected sex, why are you willing to vaccinate a newborn instead of waiting until that newborn at least reaches puberty or becomes more at risk? Is it because it is easier? Is it more cost-effective? What about the babies who have adverse reactions? Is that just par for the course, collateral damage, to be expected? How is this justifiable, really?

Ditto.

The maiming may be unintentional but it's still harm coming from a person in a position of trust.
It's also unfortunate some medical professionals think parents are out to maim their own children. Most of us want what is best for our children, wouldn't you agree?



I'm also interested in knowing- do those of you who are heralding the Hep B vaccine for newborns- mothers who have first-hand knowledge of the adverse reactions that can happen as a result of vaccination? Do you have reputable information (not linked to pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists etc.) showing that this vaccine IS NOT causing these reactions? Most parents go through the years+ of parenting/training because they also love children and want to dedicate their lives to helping their children to grow into healthy productive adults as well. As a mom (and a scientist in my own right) I know what decisions I'll make to keep my children healthy too.

It's like you are living in my head!! Thanks for summing up my own thoughts so nicely