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Did I overreact? UPDATE and questions post #13

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I'm still shaking!

About 3 weeks ago I witnessed an "assistant" who I do NOT know, who was in my son's Montessori 3-4-5 yo class, push my son into his seat during lunch, wag a finger in his face and yell at him for not eating properly. She looked up and saw me. I thought, "Okay. Everyone has a bad day. She knows I'm pissed. I'll let it slide."

Later that week I witnessed her harassing (for lack of a better word) kids for not doing as she expected. She's not a M teacher. She's horrible with the kids, she seems totally freaked and stressed and her head is always spinning around looking at the kids running around her like she's possessed or something! She talks in a harsh voice, ordering kids around. So, finally I talk to ds's lead teacher. It just so happens that this woman is leaving her classroom, lead teacher can't stand her either.

Today (1 week later) I go to pick up ds. Notice lead teacher leaving early; she's sick. Go to get ds and that B*^$! is there. She's grabbing a kid's fork, telling him he needs to learn to eat. He takes the fork. Makes a face. B&^?! grabs the fork and pokes it into kid's food and yells at him to do it right. Leaves him, head spinning around looking at the other kids who aren't in control. Power walks to 3 kids in a corner, bends over, shakes finger in face and yells at one of the kids, "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?? You don't act like that!!" Etc. Etc. Goes back to fork-kid, harasses him. MY ds tries to get past her to wash hands and face, gets physically moved out of the way, told to "WAIT A MINUTE!" At this point I enter the class and tell the montessori-trained assistant (my voice was shaking) "I can't WATCH HER talk to these kids this way!!!" Run out, down the hall to directors office. Tell her I need to talk, NOW. Young asst who she was talking to is asked to give us privacy. I tell the director - "The woman in my son's classroom right now is HORRIBLE!" I explain what I've witnessed and tell her I will NOT bring my son to the school any more if that woman is in there. She doesn't know why B!(*% is in there since she was moved to a class less stressful. I tell her, "That woman has no business working with children - much less in a Montessori environment. If I wanted my son in that situation he'd be in government sponsored daycare, and even there that kind of behavior wouldn't be tolerated - and shouldn't be, anywhere!" (no offense, I realize gov't daycares are probably fine but I was just flipping out.)

SO - was I totally out of line? The director went straight to the room and pulled that lady out, then went to call the head of school. I feel a little bad because I don't want anyone to lose their job in this economy - I don't know that this is what will happen but you never know. She has NO BUSINESS working with kids, though!!!!!
post #2 of 22
That sounds awful.
post #3 of 22
Good for you! I would've gone to the director at the pushing incident. That is NEVER acceptable. You did the right thing.
post #4 of 22
Really, I think you did her a favor. It sounds like she isn't happy with her job either.

You (probably) carefully chose the school to place your child in and if the situation changes, you have every right to be upset about that!

There may have been lots of other parents too afraid to speak up, too.


I have a relative that acts like that...will you come talk to her :P
post #5 of 22
It's not up to you to protect her job, but to speak for your child. Well done.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for the support! I was feeling guilty about it. But I can't allow her to treat my (and any other mama's) kid this way!!!!

I just called the director, they're going to work with her, try to train her in redirection, and keep her in a class where she is (I've been told, huh) a good teacher. I'm skeptical, and if she's ever anywhere near my son, we're gone.

I'm a wee bit protective
post #7 of 22
You totally did the right thing. In fact, you were more composed than I probably would have been.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mamalemon View Post
You totally did the right thing. In fact, you were more composed than I probably would have been.

well you didn't see me shaking, stuttering, and threatening to withdraw my son...
post #9 of 22
Oh, wow...I feel like I was reading my own post from about 18 months ago. I just want to say BRAVO and how extremely RIGHT you were for doing that. I'll share my story with you, too.

I looked at a bunch of preschools starting when DD1 was about 2.5. I thought it would be nice for her to get some socialization because she was TOTALLY bored at home and I felt like I wasn't giving her enough attention. I also had a 1.5 year old and 6 month old at home, so I really thought it was a good decision. I only wanted something 2 or 3 days a week for a couple hours a day. I also didn't want to pay $1,000/month, ya know? So, I looked around and found this cute little play based school run by the parks and rec district. It wasn't even called "school". For 3 year olds it was called "social experiences". I enrolled her at 2 years and 11 months old and a friend of mine enrolled her DD there, too (my DD's bff since they were 3 mo. old) It was PERFECT!!! I liked the lead teacher although I thought she was a little more strict than I would have liked. I never got to meet her asst. prior to dd's first day of class. So, dd was terrified on her first day. Literally clung to me like I've never seen. This was literally the first time she had ever been left with anybody besides family and I was a wreck. I took my camera that day and I'm glad I did because nobody would believe it. I went to talk to the teacher and dd ran off and this is where we found her moments later:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/...1780cdd65b.jpg

I should have never left her there. The assistant held her on her lap as she screamed and cried and begged me not to leave her. I had to sit in the parking lot and cry for 15 min. before I could pull away. My heart was aching for my baby. A few hours later I went back to pick her up and I have never seen her act so happy to see me and her 2 sisters in all her life. I know my kid. I know my kid *well* and this was really out of character for her. The next day was a Halloween party (not a school day), so we went and she avoided this woman like the plague (the asst.). The woman was scary and mean looking and kept staring us down. I tried to be friendly to her and she YELLED at us while doing a craft and said we weren't doing it right and we had to do it "exactly like the example." I got scared and hurried dd up and we got away from her. She scowled at us the rest of the party. The next day was dd's 2nd day there and she freaked out so bad that the lead teacher told me to take her home and we'd try again next week. We got home and I laid down with her and we talked about her new school. DD said, "Mommy, I don't want to go back because Miss V pushed her long fingernails into my bellybutton and hurt me." I *FREEEEEEEAKED* out. I literally started to tear up and just said, "I'm sorry that happened to you, baby. You don't have to go back there." and then she voluntarily said, "She hurt me with her big arms.", "She doesn't want me to be at my school", "she wants me dead" WOW!! For a 2y11m child to say that to me I was floored. I never asked questions, I just let dd talk as to NOT put words in her mouth. The next day I marched into the district office and filed a complaint. I told the director that this woman should not be working with children and we wanted a refund. The director said, "Well, this is a personnel issue so I can't really tell you much except that we have been questioning this hire."

YA THINK???? Even the lead teacher said she didn't want that woman in her class and it would be better for the director to hear it from a parent. The woman was fired about a month later.

What you described is absolutely INEXCUSABLE and honestly that woman needs to find a different profession.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
OMG that's HORRIBLE!!!!

I think one thing that really bothers me is that this woman just *appeared* in ds's class. No one told me her name, anything about her, or even that we were getting a new asst. Who was this? I still don't even know her name. I think any changes in personnel/teachers should be conveyed to parents. I also think they should take the extra step and introduce new ppl to the parents! My son didn't even know her name and she was in his room for over a month!
post #11 of 22
You did the right thing. Remember that if she loses a job, it's her fault - not yours. You reported what you saw...you didn't lie about anything.

The bad economy is a 2 way street. Sure, her being out of work might be hard for her to find a job, but it might open a job for someone who actually deserves to be there and genuinely wants to be there.

It's really hard for a teacher when you lose your cool and get overly frustrated - it happens to every teacher at some point (OK...usually many points), but there are ways to handle it. She can't and she needs to go.
post #12 of 22
You did the right thing, and you are totally right. A women with that attitude has to business in a Montessori environment. I would have been livid s
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Well, now I'm starting to see this school in a different light. I'm not sure I'm happy about it any more. I think the administration is making some questionable decisions...

DS was the youngest in his class, but at the beginning of the year when they returned from holiday break, several students were moved in there and they are all younger than him. The teacher was obviously overwhelmed with the number and age of the kids. The crazy beeeotch came in at that time, too.

Suddenly - and I mean that literally - DS is getting into trouble... yesterday he was sent to the office and hadn't had his lunch because of this... I'm being told he's acting "out of control" - I'm starting to see a correlation between the changes in his room dynamics and his behavior at school *and* at home...

I don't want to blame the school for his behavior but I don't think it's a coincidence... WWYD and how would you approach this with the teacher? We have a conference coming up in a week or two.

He will not be going there next year so I'm wondering what I can do to put a band-aid on this situation, and how I can support him through this time so they don't wreck him there... he loves school and his friends and while I don't want to remove him, I also don't want him to develop bad habits or change his opinion of school in the remaining time he's there... I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before he starts disliking school, but I may be mistaken...

TIA
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by daekini View Post
Well, now I'm starting to see this school in a different light. I'm not sure I'm happy about it any more. I think the administration is making some questionable decisions...

DS was the youngest in his class, but at the beginning of the year when they returned from holiday break, several students were moved in there and they are all younger than him. The teacher was obviously overwhelmed with the number and age of the kids. The crazy beeeotch came in at that time, too.

Suddenly - and I mean that literally - DS is getting into trouble... yesterday he was sent to the office and hadn't had his lunch because of this... I'm being told he's acting "out of control" - I'm starting to see a correlation between the changes in his room dynamics and his behavior at school *and* at home...

I don't want to blame the school for his behavior but I don't think it's a coincidence... WWYD and how would you approach this with the teacher? We have a conference coming up in a week or two.

He will not be going there next year so I'm wondering what I can do to put a band-aid on this situation, and how I can support him through this time so they don't wreck him there... he loves school and his friends and while I don't want to remove him, I also don't want him to develop bad habits or change his opinion of school in the remaining time he's there... I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before he starts disliking school, but I may be mistaken...

TIA
Lunch is never, ever optional. That's my first reaction.

I might talk to the teacher about the disruption in the classroom dynamics etc. If the responses were genuine and reasonable I think I'd be ok. But if not I'd consider (if your lifestyle permits it) taking him out, or moving to less time there.
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
I could remove him and it wouldn't negatively impact my day, in fact I'd prefer to have him home more - it's a 5-day/week program and they don't offer fewer days. But we're in a contract with them. However, I believe dissatisfaction with the program would mean I could remove him... might be challenging though. Also he LOVEs going to school despite what *I* see as negatives... so I don't necessarily want to take him out right now....
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by daekini View Post
Suddenly - and I mean that literally - DS is getting into trouble... yesterday he was sent to the office and hadn't had his lunch because of this... I'm being told he's acting "out of control" - I'm starting to see a correlation between the changes in his room dynamics and his behavior at school *and* at home...
Why didn't he have his lunch? Did they take his lunch away from him? I'd get clarification on this in writing (send them an e-mail asking the question) then report them if that's the case.

Matt
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
I should clarify - It happened right before lunch - I was picking him up within 15 - 20 minutes he didn't go hungry and wouldn't have.
post #18 of 22
If it presents no hardship on you, and you WANT him home, and your only concern is the contract -- I think you have a clear legal case of prior verbal & physical ABUSE. And this was BEFORE the lunch incident. I would write them a letter explaining the exact circumstances involving your decision, although I would not bring up his behavior at home beause they could potentially hold that against you. And of course, keep a copy.

Hugs, mama. What a sad situation.
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
Did I mention that my DS is ONLY THREE YEARS OLD??? I'm wondering if they may have unreal expectations regarding behavior of a 3-year-old???

My sister has been a M teacher all over the world and she is LIVID....
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by daekini View Post
Did I mention that my DS is ONLY THREE YEARS OLD??? I'm wondering if they may have unreal expectations regarding behavior of a 3-year-old???

My sister has been a M teacher all over the world and she is LIVID....
You were right to complain, you are right that they have crazy expectations for 3 year olds, and this woman should NOT be working with young children. I have a hard time with my DS's traditional preschool situation sometimes, but it isn't as bad as your situation. You would be totally justified in taking your son out now and not paying them one more cent. Good luck deciding what to do and possibly finding a new school for your child.
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