Supplements - biotin, pantothenic acid, zinc, folate .... ??? - Page 5

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

You're asking me for a straight answer? My guess based on the incomplete reading I've done is that if the amount was more than 50-100mg, then maybe your caught up on B6. If it's a much higher amount (remember to add up all supplements), then I vote on just OD'ing for the day. And if it's a smaller amount, then who knows. BUT it's still important to get enough every day after that, cause it's a water soluble vitamin and all that. I see it as ok, now I *just* need the RDA.

B6 is responsible for processing a bunch of proteins. I think what I'm reading is that if you're deficient for a long time, then you can get a build up of unprocessed proteins, so to speak. So when you supplement you start working your way through that backlog. Then, once you're caught up, you just need the normal amount for maintenance.

I wonder if there's something that can block B6 being used and cause symptoms of over-dose from small amounts.
This site says if you're supping more than 50mg/day, you should be getting a small amount of it as P5P.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I wonder if there's something that can block B6 being used and cause symptoms of over-dose from small amounts.
This site says if you're supping more than 50mg/day, you should be getting a small amount of it as P5P.

Something I just read says that BCP deplete the body of B6 (due to excess estrogen) and estrogen binds to B6 receptors in the brain... So if one has too much estrogen, I wonder if it's possible for a small amount of B6 to show as overdose?

[kortner]

Here is an excellent post from mtn.mama with a list of 'Prenatal Nutrition' guidelines from her HCP:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&postcount=293

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

The folate recommendation came with his Prenatal Nutrition general handout. Here are the highlights from that paper:

-Avoid toxicity
-Eat nuts, beans, olives, brown rice, vegetables, fruits, berries, wild or organic animal products and sprouted grains.
-Use healthy oils and fats: olive, safflower, sunflower, rapeseed, organic canola, avocados, flax, eggs, nuts, seeds, salmon, wild game, coconut oil, milk.
-Eat at least 4 cups of fruits/veggies daily- especially dark ones. Get healthy protein with eggs, beans, tempeh or miso (only fermented soy), nuts (no peanuts), chicken, turkey, free range meats.
-Drink filtered water, a gallon a day, + sea salt 1/2 tsp/day.
-Apple cider vinegar, 1-2 tsp with meals in a glass of water
-Exercise!
-Manage stress
-A good multivitamin
-Vitamin D3 (150,000 IU weekly during pregnancy in Alaska)
-Iodine (at least 25 mg daily)
-Folate (2,000 mcg daily is good, 4-5000 is better)
-Calcium (600 mg 3x daily if not on high dose vitamin D)
-Magnesium (500 mg 2x daily)
-Iron (10-20 mg daily if not anemic)
-Zinc (25-50 mg daily with 1-2 mg copper)
-Chromium (500 mcg daily as picolinate)
-Vitamin C (1000 mg daily... and you would benefit from much more)
-Fish oil (800 mg daily EPA, 500 mg daily DHA)
-Amino Acids, lots of em
-Alpha Lipoic Acid (600 mg daily)
-Milk Thistle (300 mg twice daily)
-NAC (600 mg daily)

"Several things are good to supplement with during pregnancy, because they cannot be obtained from out diet in sufficient quantities. If you find that your hair is falling out, tongue is sore, nails are cracking, muscles are cramping or you have a craving for crushed ice- you have a mineral deficiency of some kind. If your skin is dry and cracked, your hair has lost its shine and you have developed mental dullness- you likely have an essential fatty acid deficiency (or Iodine). If you develop irritability, insomnia, anxiety or depression you likely need more B vitamins and essential amino acids."

[kortner]

Here's some good info from Tanya about ALA (one of the supp.s recommended in the above list from mtn.mama's HCP):

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I'll add in my 2-cents worth here and over there then... um, that's a lot of alpha-lipoic acid! Yikes! A lot of the nutritional support seems pretty reasonable to me (I guess I'm on the high-supplement end of the spectrum in general) but starting ALA at all during pregnancy seems extraordinarily risky to me. During pregnancy is not the time to be mobilizing heavy metals, and there are potentially quite a few women like me out there--there was a long time when my health seemed within the range of normal, and starting ALA while pregnant would've been a huge risk, not even risk, a huge detriment to my child.

Yeah, I guess I'm passionate on this because ALA seems to be considered just another anti-oxidant. There's a whole group of people getting well with much smaller doses of ALA than this, and we're having to take a lot of supps just to keep going fairly well while all those metals move. Okay, yes, I'm passionate, I will chill. Really.

[kortner]

More:

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

....
As for ALA... IDK. I just wrote down what he recommended- I didn't pick his brain about it. But here's what his Recommended Supplements to Aid Detoxification says:

-apple cider vinegar, 1 TB 1-2x daily (mix with honey and water to taste)
-ultraclear plus pH, 1-2x daily
-milk thistle, 300 mg 2-3x daily
-Dr. Vincent's Detox Assist, 2 pills daily
-DIM, 100 mg 1x daily
-B-100 complex, 1-2 daily
-vitamin C, 2000mg 2-3x daily
-magnesium, 300-500mg 1-2x daily
-iodine, 12.5 mg 1-3 caps daily
-alpha lipoic acid, 150-300 mg daily
-N-acetyl cysteine, 600 mg 1-2x daily
-fish oil/flax oil with EPA content >/=800mg daily
-LDA multimineral, 1 cap daily
-selenium, 200-400mcg daily
-zinc, 20-50mg daily
-essiac tea or flor essence
-metalloclear, 2-3 pills 2x daily
-HMD, 20-40 drops 2x daily
-probiotics, Pro-5 1 cap 1-2x daily
-sauna therapy
-stop putting toxins in
-buy organic
-exercise, but not too much

[kortner]

Taking more liberties in quoting mamas:

Originally Posted by changingseasons

My current regimen:

• Tea every morning- licorice root, chamomile, and a couple green tea leaves thrown into the pot
• Milk thistle tincture- one dropperful in a cup of my tea
• D3 – 5,000IU/day
• Calcium citrate – 4 caps/day
• Allerg-C vitamin C – 6-8 caps/day
• B-complex
• Biotin – 5mg, every other day
• Zinc – 30mg
• B12 sublingual- 1mg
• Magnesium – liquid, 2 droppersfull before bedtime
• CLO – 1t.
• Bone broth- about 1 cup per day
• Water kefir- I was drinking about 16oz. per day, but it makes me super gassy, so I’m taking a break and will try to do it maybe every other week or something
• Honey- lots and lots

DD’s regimen:

• CLO – ¼-1/2 t. per day
• Bone broth- about 4T. per day
• Vitamin C mixed with honey- about ½ cap per day

[kortner]

Again:

Originally Posted by neveryoumindthere

here's what I'm taking daily for the past month:
-milk thistle tea
-dandelion root tea
-multi-b-plex with plant enzymes, biotin, folic acid
-selenium
-kelp
-vitamin C 4000mg
-vitamin D 4000IU
-probiotics 3 x a day for the past week or so becuase of a persistent UTI
-once in a while evening primrose oil
-I was drinking nettles until sometime last week when I found out it's high in sulfur
-lemon water in the morning
-fermented cabbage, beets, pickles with lunch and dinner
-lots of lentils

[tanyalynn]

A question for everyone... can anyone recommend a brand of oil of oregano? I'm working on my gut, which has recently gotten very weird and out of sorts from the chelating.

I know it's not for nursing moms (I think sonnambula mentioned it can lower milk supply) and since it can be pretty strong, it could kill a lot of candida and really increase circulating toxins (I did that once, not fun), but since I'm not nursing and I've got a plan (and my current bottle, purchased locally at my expensive Whole Foods is almost gone), I'm looking for a new product. I understand it can be tricky to get a high-quality oil of oregano, so I'm trying to be careful in my selection process.

Any ideas or recommendations?

[Theloose]

Another interesting thread from years gone by:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?p=7024597

focuses on MSM and leaky gut

[tanyalynn]

And the importance of detoxification! And how our livers are stressed when our guts are leaky.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

A question for everyone... can anyone recommend a brand of oil of oregano?

I know I've read something about "P73", which I don't think is a brand, but rather a type of OOO. I know that sbgrace used it with her son, you could try PM'ing her.

[sprouthead]

can anyone recommend a brand of B6 that's in P5P form, and a form of zinc that has no copper?

thanks!!

[Theloose]

bringing this over from the chat thread...

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

I do a combination of magnesium citrate, naturalcalm, and liquid wateroz magnesium. The taste isn't too bad, and I can hide it for my boys. It also increases our bowel tolerance. I believe it is because it is better absorbed than the others. But, maybe I am just buying into their advertising.

Originally Posted by whoMe

Magnesium - oxide isn't well absorbed, so you get to bowel tolerance faster. citrate is supposed to be a good/cheap form. I'm noticing a HUGE difference in the NOW Mag citrate tabs and natural calm. I'm able to take ~4x more without hitting tolerance. I think that's a good thing.

mag link might be helpful?

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Big difference between mag citrate and Natural Calm, or big difference mag oxide and (mag citrate and Natural Calm)?

I was taking 200-400mg NOW mag citrate tabs. Now I can take 800-1000+mg naturalcalm. And I'm still pushing higher. Yeah, I'm stunned.

Mammo, so do you like the wateroz Mo? That was you, right?

[FireWithin]

Yes, I like the wateroz mag, but I'm having a hard time 100% trusting it. The taste is mild, very easy to hide with a little juice. (I just returned a liquid mag from another company that none of us could handle. blah.) You need more of it than naturalcalm. I don't seem to have any bowel tolerance issues when I use it on its own. I still use natural calm though. Wateroz is expensive and I reserve the bulk of it for the boys.
The boys have been balking at taking supps, which is why I've been leaning toward wateroz. It just seems like the water though, so is it working? I like what I've read on their site, but it could just be advertisement. YK? I've been having problems with an eye tic recently. I use that as a measure of it success - so I think it is working.
We have wateroz for mag, zinc, selenium (for the boys), Mo.
It's expensive. sigh.

Oops you are asking about Mo not mag. Yes, I like wateroz Mo, but I am still trying to figure out the amounts. We used the liquid kind from nutricology before and the boys didn't have a problem with it squirted in their mouths, but it wasn't cheap - so I moved us over to wateroz. The flavor is even more mild - kind of lemony, but you need more. Since Mo is such an issue for us, I just really wanted a high quality supp, and I was hoping wateroz was it. We might eventually go back to nutricology, once we finish our gallon, and once I figure out which is cheaper. I get free shipping from nutritiongeeks for wateroz.

I was only able to take 150 mg of naturalcalm before. I think the taurine is helping, also combining the naturalcalm with wateroz is helping. I can get around 600 mg now.

[Theloose]

do you think it's working for the molybdenum?

[FireWithin]

Yes I do think it is working, but I think nutricology was working also.
sorry not much of a sell.

[bluets]

i had frontier's magnesium citrate powder - it is VILE in tea whereas we put Natural Calm in tea all the time. Natural Calm folks do something to the mag citrate to make it fizzy because regular mag citrate isn't fizzy at all, nor does it dissolve. that would be the "proprietary" part of the ingredients.

[WuWei]

Pat

[Theloose]

Is there any reason not to do zinc lozenges for dd? That is, aside from the mystery ingredients that are probably all corn derived?
http://www.iherb.com/Zinc-Lozenges

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by bluets

i had frontier's magnesium citrate powder - it is VILE in tea whereas we put Natural Calm in tea all the time. Natural Calm folks do something to the mag citrate to make it fizzy because regular mag citrate isn't fizzy at all, nor does it dissolve. that would be the "proprietary" part of the ingredients.

I wondered about this too. What makes it fizz? They do not say they have any proprietary ingredients added. That makes me nervous. I was thinking it was just some way that it is manufactured that makes it like that. Do you think there are actually things added that are not on the label?

I have recently started doing the Natural Calm on a daily basis and I think it is making a good difference for me.