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post #81 of 91
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
yes, cars are potentially dangerous. Riding in carseats is known to reduce the risks associated with car accidents.

And not riding in cars is know to reduce car accidents. Should the government outlaw auotmobile travel, because it's dangerous?

Why is one choice okay and not the other? I just don't want anyoen elsxe making my choices for me. Everyone has to weigh the ricks versus the benefits for themselves. Driving versus walking, living versus staying holed up in your house....
post #82 of 91
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Originally Posted by goodheartedmama View Post
I'm glad she's being punished, but I don't think it's harsh enough, honestly. It's time that people start learning that it is wrong to do things like this. When my 2 year old was little, we lived about 30 minutes from my parents and I had to pull over at least once to nurse her every time. It sucked, and there have been many times where I thought it would be nice if it was safe to hold and nurse my baby while driving, but it's NOT! Not obeying even the child safety laws that our gov't has laid out for us is child endangerment. I won't hold people to the ERF/ extended harnessing because it's not as well-known, but how do you not know it's wrong to remove your child from their carseat in a moving vehicle? Maybe if punishments got a little harsher, people would be a little more cautious. Or maybe not, but there has to be a punishment for endangering the life of a minor in such a precarious way. I'm all for GD, but that's for my child, not the gov't.
some people consider not vaxxing/homebirthing/vbacing to be endangering the life of a child. Should the government outlaw all of that?
post #83 of 91
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
I really hope she doesn't face jailtime. Yes, she made a (probably) bad choice. But noone was harmed. So does she really need to be sepearted from her children for 9 months??
Would you feel different if the offense was 'drinking and driving' instead of 'breastfeeding and driving'?
post #84 of 91
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
Would you feel different if the offense was 'drinking and driving' instead of 'breastfeeding and driving'?
Probably - because that has nothing to do with comforting a baby.
post #85 of 91
Eh, ya know what? It's dangerous to walk down a street with a kid. I choose to wear my toddler down a busy street to help reduce that danger. When the tornado sirens go off, I choose to take my kids to the safest place in my house. In the car, I choose to buckle my kids in their carseats and I choose to wear a seatbelt because if I am in an accident, that's the safest place for them to be. I've never been in a wreck, but unfortunately, I can't predict when and if I'll ever be in one, and chances are, I'll likely be in at least one. I also don't know if my kids will be in the vehicle with me or not, but because I don't know if that will happen today or next year, I have decided to take precautions. A child's head on the steering wheel is not safe. I shudder to think what would happen if the airbag went off.

Bottom line, nursing or not, there are child restraint laws. I'd feel the same if the child was nursing or if the child was sitting unrestrained in the front seat. I think the nursing is just an excuse and I don't buy it. I and the majority of other breastfeeding moms I know somehow figured it out.
post #86 of 91
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
if someone gets to their destination without an accident, then I would say it IS safe, for that person.
I've know a bunch of people who have driven WELL over the legal BAL...they'll flat out admit they were completely drunk. Not buzzed but sloppy drunk. And they drove from Point A to Point B on more than one occasion without hurting anyone or themselves, does that mean that my friends should get a 'license' to drive drunk?

Out of all the people I've known to drive drunk only my cousin killed someone...and it was NOT his first time driving drunk, in fact it was probably his 50th time driving drunk. And the night he killed someone his BAL was nearly half what it was when he got pulled over for DUI several years ago.

The fact that she didn't kill herself or her children THIS time only means that she got dang lucky. It has nothing to do with her driving abilities.

I had a baby who screamed every time he was put in his car seat. He once cried the whole way from the mall to our home, despite me pulling over every chance I could safely and nursing him to sleep. As soon as I was in the front seat he woke up and started crying. This whole stop, nurse, drive turned a 45 minute trip into a 3 hour ordeal.

She got dang lucky...
post #87 of 91
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Darwinism at its best!
This topic made me think of the Darwin Awards as well. :

I have pumped while driving, but I can't imagine having a baby on my boob, between me and the airbag, while I gabbed on the phone. Was she smoking a cigarette too? I'm glad nothing tragic happened to this woman or her baby. If people don't have the common sense NOT to breastfeed while operating a motor vehicle, then there needs to be a law against it.
post #88 of 91
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Originally Posted by JamesMama View Post
I've know a bunch of people who have driven WELL over the legal BOA...they'll flat out admit they were completely drunk. Not buzzed but sloppy drunk. And they drove from Point A to Point B on more than one occasion without hurting anyone or themselves, does that mean that my friends should get a 'license' to drive drunk?

Out of all the people I've known to drive drunk only my cousin killed someone...and it was NOT his first time driving drunk, in fact it was probably his 50th time driving drunk. And the night he killed someone his BOA was nearly half what it was when he got pulled over for DUI several years ago.

The fact that she didn't kill herself or her children THIS time only means that she got dang lucky. It has nothing to do with her driving abilities.

I had a baby who screamed every time he was put in his car seat. He once cried the whole way from the mall to our home, despite me pulling over every chance I could safely and nursing him to sleep. As soon as I was in the front seat he woke up and started crying. This whole stop, nurse, drive turned a 45 minute trip into a 3 hour ordeal.

She got dang lucky...
I'm not defending the woman in the op - I am saying I don't want the government micromanaging my parenting.
post #89 of 91
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I'm not defending the woman in the op - I am saying I don't want the government micromanaging my parenting.
I guess I am fuzzy on what exactly your point is then. You have spent six pages telling us the woman is free to make her own decision regarding nursing with her baby's head next to the steering wheel all in the name of not being micromanaged by the government.

So if you are not defending her choice to make such a decision what is it exactly you are defending?

Because if you are saying the government has no right to "micromanage" us in such decisions then this woman was fine making the decision to nurse while driving. Right?
post #90 of 91
Part of parenting is time management. If she knew that her baby always nursed at that time, and that her other kids needed to get to school at that time, then she should have planned accordingly. This specific incident is not about emotional distress to the toddler, it is about time management. Either make time to nurse before you leave, leave earlier so you can stop to nurse, or pack a snack and nurse when you get there. Nursing while driving is never ever ever ever ok. Just because she didn't wreck this time doesn't mean she won't next time.
post #91 of 91
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Originally Posted by Smalls181 View Post
FTR, it is now illegal in Michigan to remove a child from a car seat to nurse. When Gov Granholm signed the booster seat law last year, they also removed that article.
No, they did not. It was decided that it was not the right time to pursue both pieces of legislation. I hope that this woman's irresponsible decision will help move some action on this issue!

I STRONGLY disagree with any reference to the idea that the perceived danger of homebirthing, etc. is in anyway comparable to the REAL danger of driving with your child unrestrained in anyway, let alone when you are breastfeeding and driving.

Car crashes are the leading cause of death for everyone ages 1 to 44. 16 month old children do not have the ability to decide how to keep themselves safe. Mandatory child passenger safety laws help keep them safe when parents are unable, unwilling or uninformed of their responsibility to prevent their children from harm. The same data is not true with homebirths, or non-vaccination.

I can somewhat understand the argument about say, motorcycle helmet laws, being about choice. Because they are adults, making adult decisions. Children, who don't get to make choices about their safety, deserve to be protected by our laws. That is part of society, protecting those who can't protect themselves. Driving with unrestrained children, no matter what you are doing or where you are going, is child endangerment. Period.
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