Polio & breastfeeding

[mommyofemma]

We don't vaccinate but I am almost positive that while I was researching vaccines before my daughter was born, which was over a year ago, I read somewhere that breastfeeding could possibly help protect against polio. Does anyone know if that is correct?

[Yulia_R]

I don't know about bf and polio protection, but I wanted to ask where you live. If you are in the US, you have nothing to worry about (polio-wise), there is just no polio here any more.

[mommyofemma]

Yes I live in the US. Im not particularly worried about polio I was just wondering if what I read was correct!

[rightkindofme]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

I don't know about bf and polio protection, but I wanted to ask where you live. If you are in the US, you have nothing to worry about (polio-wise), there is just no polio here any more.

I had a chat with my pediatrician about this and he says that isn't entirely correct. He has many patients with polio because they are recent immigrants from India. It depends on where you live whether polio is entirely gone or not. We went on to decide that my daughter needs fewer well baby visits than advertised because the risk she is exposed to in his waiting room is by far the greatest risk in her life. (For now. Someday she will go out and interact with other people more.)

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by rightkindofme

I had a chat with my pediatrician about this and he says that isn't entirely correct. He has many patients with polio because they are recent immigrants from India. It depends on where you live whether polio is entirely gone or not. We went on to decide that my daughter needs fewer well baby visits than advertised because the risk she is exposed to in his waiting room is by far the greatest risk in her life. (For now. Someday she will go out and interact with other people more.)

You know, one thing I've learned the hard way is that peds are SO full of...

When our ex-ped was BS-ing us into vaccinating our son, he said that he had PLENTY cases of HIB meningitus just an our away from where we used to live. Later, when I was doing my research, I've learned that in 2005 there was NOT A SINGLE case of HIB meningitus in that area. I also got alot of "if your child scratches his leg in the library, he'll die from tetanus" crap from peds. They really will say whatever it takes to scare you into vaccinating. :

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by rightkindofme

I had a chat with my pediatrician about this and he says that isn't entirely correct. He has many patients with polio because they are recent immigrants from India. It depends on where you live whether polio is entirely gone or not. We went on to decide that my daughter needs fewer well baby visits than advertised because the risk she is exposed to in his waiting room is by far the greatest risk in her life. (For now. Someday she will go out and interact with other people more.)

There has not been a case of wild polio in the US in, what, 30 years?

Not to mention the fact that INS requires immunizations for immigrants and a clean bill of health, so they certainly wouldn't be letting anyone with polio into the country for the ped to treat.

These peds are seriously full of it, aren't they?:

[rightkindofme]

Originally Posted by kiara7

There has not been a case of wild polio in the US in, what, 30 years?

Not to mention the fact that INS requires immunizations for immigrants and a clean bill of health, so they certainly wouldn't be letting anyone with polio into the country for the ped to treat.

These peds are seriously full of it, aren't they?:

I'm going to question him again about polio locally. I'm not seeing evidence of it anywhere. There have been polio cases in the last thirty years though. I'm having trouble finding information about immigrants and polio. I have found evidence of at least one person becoming a citizen after traveling here for medical care for polio but that's the closest I'm finding.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9687419/

http://www.whyichoose.org/outbreaks.html

[kiara7]

Hull said the infections were traced to an oral vaccine that was administered in another country, probably within the past three years.

OPV can and does cause polio. IPV (used in US) doesn't. These were not wild virus cases.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by kiara7

OPV can and does cause polio. IPV (used in US) doesn't. These were not wild virus cases.

If IPV doesn't cause polio then how can there be immunity in the absence of the disease? Hmmm..

[kiara7]

IPV is supposed to only prevent paralytic polio. Who knows how......

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by kiara7

IPV is supposed to only prevent paralytic polio. Who knows how......

Unfortunately, that is a misplaced idea. How can that prevent paralytic polio when the virus itself inside the vaccine is the culprit of this debilitating disease.

[kiara7]

I'm not an expert on how it works or how it doesn't. Here is what they say from the insert:

Of the 127 cases of paralytic poliomyelitis reported in the US between 1980 and 1994,
six were imported cases (caused by wild polioviruses), two were “indeterminate” cases, and 119 were vaccine associated
paralytic poliomyelitis (VAPP) cases associated with the use of live, attenuated oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV).6 An all IPV
schedule was adopted in 1999, to eliminate VAPP cases.7

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by kiara7

I'm not an expert on how it works or how it doesn't. Here is what they say from the insert:

IPV, like OPV, does not prevent any type of poliomyelitis including paralytic polio from happening. IPV is so designed to mitigate or change the symptoms of paralytic polio. They can be labeled as GBS, MS, CFS, ME, fibromyalgia, etc. All are subclinical forms of paralytic polio. Gone are the times when you see a person with lower extremity atrophy. Thanks for IPV.

[kiara7]

Very interesting. Do you have anything to read on this?

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by kiara7

Very interesting. Do you have anything to read on this?

One example is this:

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: A polio by another name

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/polio1.html

[gardenmommy]

Th1Th2, that was a really interesting article. I would be interested in seeing more like it, if you have links. I've always thought it a bit dicey that polio could just "go away".

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by gardenmommy

Th1Th2, that was a really interesting article. I would be interested in seeing more like it, if you have links. I've always thought it a bit dicey that polio could just "go away".

Here is what I found:

Vaccines, broad spectrum antibiotics and "virus in stealth" to help kill cancer cells are themselves an onslaught on the immune system which can cause serum sickness leading to GBS, or "provocation polio" which is a hallmark of GBS.

http://www.geocities.com/target_inju...reSyndrome.HTM

[mommyofemma]

So, I started this new thread, and somewhere along the way it has turned into another type of discussion, which is fine-Ive enjoyed reading it, but does anyone know the answer to the question I originally started with!?

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by mommyofemma

So, I started this new thread, and somewhere along the way it has turned into another type of discussion, which is fine-Ive enjoyed reading it, but does anyone know the answer to the question I originally started with!?

Sorry about that. Well anyway, this article might be helpful in your search.

http://www.asklenore.info/breastfeed..._newborns.html


Breast milk is beneficial in protecting newborns not only against polio but other common childhood diseases.

[Th1Th2]

The benefits of breastfeeding against polio is specifically noted in this study:

There also was an effect of breastfeeding on immune response. Infants who breastfed had significantly higher neutralizing antibody titers to polio virus than either formula-fed group (1:346 vs 1:169 and 1:192 in the Control and Nucleotide groups, respectively) at 6 months of age....Feeding human milk enhanced antibody responses to OPV.

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Rally/Breastfeeding.htm