Chat thread: Feb 28-March 6 - Page 9

[neveryoumindthere]

Originally Posted by WuWei

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The dilemma, as I see it, is that when we "record a reaction" we are not considering IF the stomach acid was adequate that day and THUS there was a reaction, OR if it was the specific *food* which caused the reaction. Increasing the *nutrients* seems the path to healing, so that the stomach acid is adequate to digest the proteins, in the first place. And healing the gut with the whole food probiotics at the same time as we increase the HCl.

Have I mentioned whole food probiotics?

Oh, and as we increase the nutrients, our detox pathways are opened. So, if our *nutrient* intake was inadequate on day x, when we "recorded a reaction", it doesn't necessarily mean that we can't eat that food, IF we have the proper nutrients. The vicious circle that elimination diets create... I wonder, if that is why doctors say to "ignore" the reactions to foods?


Pat

Pat, I don't think I've ever told you, but I really really appreciate your input.
The above underlined, is exactly what I needed to read just now.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

From tuberose's cholesterol article: (which I'm skimming, not actually reading)

ADP is a precursor to ATP, which is a precursor in cholesterol synthesis.

ATP is the way we store energy. That's what the Krebs cycle is all about - generating ATP.

you know about this?
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.co...olesterol.html
and this?

My biochem book is sitting in my mailbox, so as soon as dd wakes up and gives me a chance to read and post I'll share what it has to say.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by WuWei

The dilemma, as I see it, is that when we "record a reaction" we are not considering IF the stomach acid was adequate that day and THUS there was a reaction, OR if it was the specific *food* which caused the reaction. Increasing the *nutrients* seems the path to healing, so that the stomach acid is adequate to digest the proteins, in the first place. And healing the gut with the whole food probiotics at the same time as we increase the HCl.

Have I mentioned whole food probiotics?

Btw, grapefruit juice interferes with the absorption of many medications. It is unclear, if GFJ interferes with vitamin or mineral absorption. "Grapefruit juice blocks special enzymes in the wall of the small intestine that actually destroys many medications and prevents their absorption into the body."

Pat

Think fast, Pat.
Name all dairy free sources of probiotics. (DS1's reaction is IgE.) (I think I could easily get sauerkraut and dill pickles into him on a daily basis... He BEGS for them. I'd love to have them every day too. )
Also, from the tuberose article on Liver detox:

Grapefruit juice, which contains naringenin, slows down Phase I enzyme activity.

If you read the first link that Pat posted, too, btw, you will find that it says that ingesting grapefruit juice with medications may cause toxicity.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

ATP is the way we store energy. That's what the Krebs cycle is all about - generating ATP.

you know about this?
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.co...olesterol.html
and this?

My biochem book is sitting in my mailbox, so as soon as dd wakes up and gives me a chance to read and post I'll share what it has to say.

The first link makes sense to me. The stupid little diagrams of the molecules on the second link mess with my head. I end up getting ADD-like and wanting to study how they change from one to the next and losing track of what I'm actually supposed to be looking at..

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I just realized. The other thing you could do, CS, is to increase your vitamin C (if you have a safe one) since that's been shown to increase your available glutathione.

I wonder if one has fewer reactions and thus less "need" for vit C, if they are consuming adequate glutathione.

Ahhhh, found this, "Vitamin C elevates red blood cell glutathione in healthy adults. Fresh fruits and vegetables provide excellent levels of glutathione. Per serving, asparagus, avocados, asparagus, squash, okra, cauliflower, broccoli, potatoes, spinach, walnuts, garlic, and raw tomatoes have the highest glutathione content compared to other vegetables and are particularly rich dietary sources of glutathione."

http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...4160Comment649
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...4160Comment427

Regarding food sources of glutathione: "But cooked foods contained far less or none at all, and highly processed foods contain less than minimally processed cooked foods."
http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...4160Comment657


Pat, whole foods, inc.

[lil_miss_understood]

Squash and tomatoes would be a double whammy then, wouldn't they, since they're both high in C and glutathione?

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by menomena

I missed this. I have two bunches of beets... I need to get in on the juicing/smoothies. we don't have a smoothie base though - no bananas, avocados, or yogurts (dairy, or otherwise)... just thinking aloud here. wondering what others (*cough*changing seasons*cough*) do in the same situation?

You can use mineral water, a fruit/juice and some baby, dark, leafy greens.

Oh, and some water kefir.

Pat

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Wow- every week? Is that to check if your bowel tolerance has changed, or are you doing it as like a detox thing (or both)?

My life is filled with fun like this! At the moment, I'm doing it the day after I finish a round chelating, and it's been huge for that--instead of some of the metals I've gotten mobilized resettling (in places like my thyroid and adrenal glands, where I don't need anymore stress), this gets the metals out, and I think I've experienced a lot fewer negatives chelating than it typical. One time, when I was having weird mood problems, I did a flush and the next day it was obvious that I was loads better. But before that, it was to lower my circulating toxins, mainly to get and keep them low so that when I got my fillings out, I'd done what I could to reduce the stress on my body beforehand (so I wasn't doing it weekly or every-other-week then). I mean--taking my daily vitC need from 44 grams to, say, 30 by doing this once really was quite the shortcut and time-saver, although it didn't actually make me feel noticeably better from one day to the next til I was chelating.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by menomena

confession time: i'm at the point where i just mix some sugar, cocoa & shortening together and call it "frosting" or "fudge" and then schmear it on a rice cake. not so good.

You could use coconut oil and raw cacao and honey, maybe some water kefir and it will be just as yummy, AND nutritious.


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I haven't really seen any diets for thyroid.

Interestingly, "Consuming large amounts of healthful brassica vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower and Brussels sprouts) can also reduce the utilization of (supplemental) thyroid hormone." I'm not sure about endogenous thyroid levels.

Pat

[lil_miss_understood]

I wrote:

I am writing regarding your product, "The Right C" in powder form. Would
you be able to tell me from what source your the ingredients are
derived? I'm dealing with multiple severe food allergies so I would like
to know if your product is safe for me.

Thank you,

Jacqueline

Nature's Way replied:

Your question is a little difficult to answer. We list all of the
ingredients on the label along with a disclaimer that lists the
allergens this product is free of (free of corn, lactose, milk, soy,
wheat or yeast)

The main active ingredient Riboperine is a proprietary ingredient,
Glyco Nutrient complex from a vegetable source . There are sugar beets
in this vegetable source.

I hope this answers your question.

Thank you

Yet my package doesn't say it's free of corn nor of wheat...
hmm.
Suggestions?

(And yes, I do realize I had a typo in my original email. )

ETA: So it probably is a wheat or corn source, I'm guessing. I'm really tired and want to go lay down with DS2 for a nap but DS1 will be home from school soon and I have to clean the bathroom.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Interestingly, "Consuming large amounts of healthful brassica vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower and Brussels sprouts) can also reduce the utilization of (supplemental) thyroid hormone." I'm not sure about endogenous thyroid levels.

Pat

Yeah this is still a pet peeve of mine. I love brassicas. :

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Yeah this is still a pet peeve of mine. I love brassicas. :

I could've sworn I recently read that the amount of brassicas you'd actually have to consume would be quite high in order to cause a problem. And I thought that cooking reduced the amount of the problematic chemical too, but honestly, I don't know where or when I read those.

[neveryoumindthere]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I could've sworn I recently read that the amount of brassicas you'd actually have to consume would be quite high in order to cause a problem. And I thought that cooking reduced the amount of the problematic chemical too, but honestly, I don't know where or when I read those.

nak
It might have been in my "do this, do that" post :

My ND said you would have to consume a bushel (a day? week? can't remember ) before it would start to negatively affect the thyroid. I'll try to find some info

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Low serotonin is probably associated with low dopamine, and might be raised by reducing your ammonia (lower total protein) and increasing your BH4 (folate).

And if I have the MTHFR mutation that requires folate, not folic acid, this could contribute to the problem (if I haven't been consuming enough folate)?

I actually do better eating more meat and less grains as far as cravings go.

[quelindo]

Originally Posted by WuWei

The vicious circle that elimination diets create... I wonder, if that is why doctors say to "ignore" the reactions to foods?

So you're saying mainstream docs have been right all along, and we should have been listening to them unquestioningly?

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by whoMe

iirc, it inhibits conversion of sulfite->sulfate. Sulfite is a product of transsulfuration, and toxic. Sulfate is a detox pathway.

hmmmm... I need to look into this further. I wonder how one goes about lowering their molybdenum. I'm sure it would be a detox pathway, no?

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

My life is filled with fun like this! At the moment, I'm doing it the day after I finish a round chelating, and it's been huge for that--instead of some of the metals I've gotten mobilized resettling (in places like my thyroid and adrenal glands, where I don't need anymore stress), this gets the metals out, and I think I've experienced a lot fewer negatives chelating than it typical. One time, when I was having weird mood problems, I did a flush and the next day it was obvious that I was loads better. But before that, it was to lower my circulating toxins, mainly to get and keep them low so that when I got my fillings out, I'd done what I could to reduce the stress on my body beforehand (so I wasn't doing it weekly or every-other-week then). I mean--taking my daily vitC need from 44 grams to, say, 30 by doing this once really was quite the shortcut and time-saver, although it didn't actually make me feel noticeably better from one day to the next til I was chelating.

Aah- that makes sense. Can I ask a way TMI personal question? I know how to do the flush, I just can't bring myself to purposefully give myself the big D, kwim? So is it something you just get used to doing? Do you get D or loose stools once and you're done, or is it like you need to pencil out the whole day on your calendar to stay near the bathroom? Do you take small amounts very quickly, or do you space it out all day? I read somewhere (it might have been Digestive Wellness) that if you did like 1 gram (I might be totally off on that measurement) every 15 minutes until big D, you could avoid all the intestinal discomfort (cramping, etc.) that you would get by spacing it out.

[lil_miss_understood]

Brassicas induce both phase I detox and glutathione conjugation. They're also high in sulfur, which would run through the sulfoxidation process and into sulfation- which is the detox pathway responsible for the breakdown of thyroid hormones.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Aah- that makes sense. Can I ask a way TMI personal question? I know how to do the flush, I just can't bring myself to purposefully give myself the big D, kwim? So is it something you just get used to doing? Do you get D or loose stools once and you're done, or is it like you need to pencil out the whole day on your calendar to stay near the bathroom? Do you take small amounts very quickly, or do you space it out all day? I read somewhere (it might have been Digestive Wellness) that if you did like 1 gram (I might be totally off on that measurement) every 15 minutes until big D, you could avoid all the intestinal discomfort (cramping, etc.) that you would get by spacing it out.

: I'm so glad you're here. Then I don't have to ask the hard questions.

ETA: Or is it soft questions in this case?

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ETA: Or is it soft questions in this case?