Chat thread: Feb 28-March 6 - Page 5

[xekomaya]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Purines for ATP, eh? My leading theory for myself right now is that my kreb's cycle is busted somewhere,

Rather than the Kreb's cycle being 'busted', I would look more at the sources of Co-A, --sugar, fat, protein and how they're getting TO the Kreb's cycle. If your Kreb's cycle didn't work, you'd end up with lactic acid build up like after a heavy workout. Right?

[menomena]

okay friends. once and for all: are cashews legumes??

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by menomena

okay friends. once and for all: are cashews legumes??

No.
They come from a pod at the end of a pear that's only good for 24 hours after it's picked (the pear is). The pods need to be heated to be cracked open and there's an acidic substance inside that can seriously disfigure people.
Don't remember why I looked into it, but there you go.

[menomena]

thank you!

i was confused, because in the link shannon provided about purines, there was a blurb about cashews as legumes. this was probably the third time in the last few months I'd seen them referred to as that.

[Theloose]

new and improved chart, with links!

Better? It's still a work in progress...

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by xekomaya

Rather than the Kreb's cycle being 'busted', I would look more at the sources of Co-A, --sugar, fat, protein and how they're getting TO the Kreb's cycle. If your Kreb's cycle didn't work, you'd end up with lactic acid build up like after a heavy workout. Right?

This is still a test theory... But what I'm wondering is if I'm starting the whole Krebs cycle, but one of the enzymes is inefficient (poisoned?) and so I'm getting stuck at an intermediate stage. if it were the alpha ketoglutarate stage, then that would explain the signs of high glutamate/low GABA that I have... Of course, I could just as easily be making the whole thing up... I just want to know why I need SO MUCH B5!

[changingseasons]

That is very cool. I just noticed that you have the asparagus test on there. I just happened to eat some asparagus about an hour ago and commented that I will have smelly pee soon... So does that mean that I don't properly break down sulfites? (or sulfates... I get them mixed up.) And following the connected lines, is that something that B6 helps with?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

That is very cool. I just noticed that you have the asparagus test on there. I just happened to eat some asparagus about an hour ago and commented that I will have smelly pee soon... So does that mean that I don't properly break down sulfites? (or sulfates... I get them mixed up.) And following the connected lines, is that something that B6 helps with?

Pretty much, yeah. I should fix those lines to make it more clear. B6 gets a dotted line to sulfate cause it's complicated - some helps but too much can make it worse.

from tuberose:

Those with a poorly functioning sulfoxidation detoxification pathway are more sensitive to sulfur-containing drugs and foods containing sulfur or sulfite additives.

[lil_miss_understood]

Is the Krebs' cycle the same as purine metabolism? If so, there are (again) genetic variations in how well our bodies actually metabolize purines... At least, from what I remember reading... When I got to that part, I was like... "Meh. I'm done for now."

The thing I don't like about that Dietnet link is that it seems to be based on the assumption that you're heritage is European... Many of the fruits and vegetables that are to be avoided are from the Americas. Berries have been a HUGE part of the American "Indian" diet, as were beans and corn. So to me, it appears to be a cultural bias. But that's my opinion. What do you guys think?

[xekomaya]

Originally Posted by whoMe

This is still a test theory... But what I'm wondering is if I'm starting the whole Krebs cycle, but one of the enzymes is inefficient (poisoned?) and so I'm getting stuck at an intermediate stage. if it were the alpha ketoglutarate stage, then that would explain the signs of high glutamate/low GABA that I have... Of course, I could just as easily be making the whole thing up... I just want to know why I need SO MUCH B5!

Just to continue your theorizing..

Guess 1.) You're peeing it out due to insufficent sulfer - or other inability convert to to pantotheine

Guess 2.) It's getting eaten up by your adrenals due to stress.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

The thing I don't like about that Dietnet link is that it seems to be based on the assumption that you're heritage is European... Many of the fruits and vegetables that are to be avoided are from the Americas. Berries have been a HUGE part of the American "Indian" diet, as were beans and corn. So to me, it appears to be a cultural bias. But that's my opinion. What do you guys think?

Agreed. And Northern European at that... My heritage is Mediterranean + Northern European 50/50.

Also, I'm pretty sure that fruits, including various berries, are part of the northern euro diet, anyway (think ligonberries for scandinavia, etc)

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by xekomaya

Just to continue your theorizing..

Guess 1.) You're peeing it out due to insufficent sulfer - or other inability convert to to pantotheine

Guess 2.) It's getting eaten up by your adrenals due to stress.

1) I eat lots of sulfur, so while that's possible, it would be more convoluted. I need to look up the sulfur/pantotheine link.

2) My adrenals seem to be doing really well, aldosterone seems to be normalizing, crazy stress responses are basically gone and there's no major stress right now... but the B5 requirement is going up. The first symptom is insomnia (fall asleep fine, but after dd nurses in the middle of the night, I'm wide awake for hours).

So I'm following the adenosine trail - adenosine is important for sleep, and it's a breakdown product of ATP. If I'm inefficient at making ATP, then I wouldn't have much to break down, and mega B5 would help blast through the system.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by menomena

Agreed. And Northern European at that... My heritage is Mediterranean + Northern European 50/50.

Also, I'm pretty sure that fruits, including various berries, are part of the northern euro diet, anyway (think ligonberries for scandinavia, etc)

There's the flip diet, too:
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/mcferran09_ag.htm

It's been a while since I looked into this stuff... I just remember how it struck me that the high purine diet listed all my favorite foods, and the low purine one was almost exactly my mom.

The lingonberries are eaten in condiment quantities with meat, though, which is what they suggest. And berries are pretty seasonal. I wonder how that factors in?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

There's the flip diet, too:
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/mcferran09_ag.htm

It's been a while since I looked into this stuff... I just remember how it struck me that the high purine diet listed all my favorite foods, and the low purine one was almost exactly my mom.

The lingonberries are eaten in condiment quantities with meat, though, which is what they suggest. And berries are pretty seasonal. I wonder how that factors in?

Berries in North America were not just condiments, though. They were dried and comprised a large part of pemmican, which was considered a staple of my people (the Cree and Saulteaux).
That diet still doesn't address traditional American Indian eating habits.
to me, I know...

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

new and improved chart, with links!

Better? It's still a work in progress...

Wow! Wow!

(heading to bed, my head is too tired to deal)

Totally, overwhelmingly impressed and awed.


Pat

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

So I'm following the adenosine trail - adenosine is important for sleep, and it's a breakdown product of ATP. If I'm inefficient at making ATP, then I wouldn't have much to break down, and mega B5 would help blast through the system.

Adenosine is a product of D-ribose and adenine... Adenine is created through purine metabolism.

[lil_miss_understood]

Holy bejeeze.
What a complicated web we weave...
Couldn't G*d just not tell lies? Why not just let us know "Nothing you see is real!"

[menomena]

Originally Posted by whoMe

There's the flip diet, too:
http://www.frot.co.nz/dietnet/reviews/mcferran09_ag.htm

It's been a while since I looked into this stuff... I just remember how it struck me that the high purine diet listed all my favorite foods, and the low purine one was almost exactly my mom.

The lingonberries are eaten in condiment quantities with meat, though, which is what they suggest. And berries are pretty seasonal. I wonder how that factors in?

hmm. interesting.

neither of the diets really jump out at me as being "me". how are we supposed to know which one to follow? [i mean, in their opinion; obviously i'm not looking to overhaul my diet based on one website. ] i'm back to not assimilating info off of the computer again. (i must need more chocolate. )

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by menomena

(i must need more chocolate. )

I think we all just need a WHOLE LOT of magnesium.

ETA: And I'm going to start going through the detox threads thread tonight.
Oh man. I missed the Tongue tie thread.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by menomena

hmm. interesting.

neither of the diets really jump out at me as being "me". how are we supposed to know which one to follow? [i mean, in their opinion; obviously i'm not looking to overhaul my diet based on one website. ] i'm back to not assimilating info off of the computer again. (i must need more chocolate. )

You can pay big $$$ for their test, or just assume you're a 'mixed' type, or dive back into the detox stuff and figure it out for yourself Take your pick.