Flu being spread by doctors and nurses who refuse the shot: Do as we say not as we do - Page 2

[LilacMama]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

But you do vaccinate, don't you?

I currently do. I've always had a funny feeling about vaxes. I always double checked with parents before giving vaxes (Hep B in a L&D unit). I make sure they read the hand-out. I'm always saying things like "You can wait on this until later if you're undecided." I have asked all the nursery nurses and several of the pediatricians WHY we give Hep B and never gotten a good answer.

Now that I'm researching it for my own daughter, it's even worse than I thought and the thought of giving a baby Hep B is really bothering me.

[not now]

I got every vaccine needed to get in to school/work. That includes Hep B and all my boosters. I got the flu vax once almost ten years go. My son is selective/delayed.

Since I work critical care I rarely discharge a patient from he hospital. The few I do discharge have yet to want/need a vax. I can say with all honesty that I've given one vax in all my years as a nurse.

When I get to work I check my opinions at the door and leave the informed decision to the patients (yes, I provide all the info). That goes for vax's and my COPD patients request to got out and smoke or my heart disease patient who wants salt for their food.

[LisaSedai]

I've been an RN for 20 years and have never gotten the flu shot. The hospital I work at has really been pushing it the past few years. We are required to get the flu shot or sign a refusal form that says we are putting our patients at risk . I don't work with children or immunosuppressed patients or I *might* consider getting it, though I'm concerned about adverse reactions and it seems like most of the time it doesn't work for the strain that's going around anyway.

As for what vaccinations are required for healthcare workers, we had to have tetnus and MMR in nursing school. I imagine now a days a college student would have to have the meningitis vax too. Last year they wanted us to get a pertusis booster, so I went ahead and got it in the tetnus/pertusis combo.(and got weird lymphnode swelling under armpit of the arm I got the injection in) We are strongly encouraged but not required to get the hep B and chickenpox vaccines. This year they wanted everyone who was not immune to measles to get a booster- I don't have any antibodies but I *did* have a booster in 1992 so I refused it. I am also without antibodies for Hep B though I had the series and the booster too.

Our hospital makes us ask patients on admission if they want a flu and pneumonia vax if they meet the criteria. If they say yes, we give them a copy of the vaccination information sheet and put an order on the chart for the doctor to sign. The infection control nurse gets upset if we miss anyone.

[littlecindy]

or i would at least like to not get the guilt trip for not getting a flu shot when i go to urgent care.

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by hxcmama

My mom was a RN for 15 years, always got the flu shot even when she was in cancer treatment. She had terrible complications from her last flu shot, went to the hospital for that reaction and never went home. Right to the end she supported the vaccines, nothing could dissuade her. I can't blame a health professional who refuses vaccines, I imagine they see the reactions and put two and two together.

If this is too personal I apologize, but what did they say was the cause of death for your mother? I imagine cancer.

I agree that a lot of health professionals are putting two and two together. That's one reason I post articles like this because health professionals visit this website. It's the health professionals who are doing the vaccinating. A lot of children are damaged by vaccines. Many parents don't have a clue as to the potential dangers and the questionable aspects of vaccination.

It's very heartening to hear from some nurses who inform parents and question what they are being told. Very heartening. My step-mom is a nurse, as are several friends, and I definitely respect many aspects of the profession.

When I got to work I check my opinions at the door and leave the informed decision to the patients (yes, I provide all the info). That goes for vax's and my COPD patients request to got out and smoke or my heart disease patient who wants salt for their food.

It's nice the hear this. I agree that people are going to do what they are going to do. Informed consent becomes huge because many parents look to nurses as experts and value their advice. I would hope all nurses do this.

[momto l&a]

I personally think its the waiting rooms at doctors offices and hospitals that spread the most junk around.

And grocery stores. People have to eat healthy or not.

[mauri456]

I'm a nurse that hasn't gotten a flu vax, and my daughter is on a delayed schedule.

I've never encouraged someone either way - just given them info out there and told them it was their choice. Fortunately in my role, I don't give vax's often anyhow. I've been a nurse for seven years and honestly can't think of a single time I have actually given one.

[hxcmama]

what did they say was the cause of death for your mother? I imagine cancer.

The cause of death was I believe "cardiomyopathy" on the death certificate, or something equivalent. She followed (what I have come to find out is) a typical path - instant reaction, trouble breathing needed to sit down. My dad took her directly to the ER. She lost the ability to walk, became more lethargic and her heart rate slowly but steadily worsened until kidney failure. This took about 3 weeks. The chalked it up entirely to having cancer, and the vaccination preceding her hospitalization was never considered. It is always purely coincidence, isn't it?

I personally think its the waiting rooms at doctors offices and hospitals that spread the most junk around

Funny you say this because my daughter is sick today with a high fever (103.6 to 103.8) and our doctor's office will not do any kind of phone triage, I mentioned the possibility of her having the flu and they URGED me to bring her in to the office (!) saying they have to see her to make any recommendations, and that they can give her a nasal swab to test for flu. I didn't bring her in but now I am really concerned that they would encourage a very ill patient to come in and sit in the waiting room! Imagine all the people there for "well-child" visits, not knowing they are sharing a waiting room and toys with very sick kids.

So, yeah I totally agree with the waiting rooms being a source of contagion. I think we will need to be done with "well-child visits" because of this.

[eireann]

Originally Posted by MamatoPeach

Well since I work in the hospital, vaccinations are not given very often(fortunately since the kids there are sick). When it does come up, I try to tell it like it is to parents. I try to tell them there are risk to vaccinations, and I ask them if they have educated themselves on it. I normally print off information about the risk/benefits, hand them the info, tell them to research, and when they come to a decision they can let us know. I try to give them confidence to stand up to their pediatricians if they want to delay. Its hard, I am always looking behind my shoulder because I work in a culture where no one is taught to go against vaccinations. I have heard doctors tell parents with a sick premie that they should still get him vaccinated because it would be 'good for him', like 'a vitamin is good for him' That really bothered me for some reason. They have absolutely no education on the risks. MD's are brainwashed on the subject.

I just try to empower parents autonomy against the big dogs. Most parents are scared to vaccinate.

please move to where i live.

[Ruthla]

Is there any scientific proof that the flu vax minimizes flu transmission, even if they do get the strains right that year?

[eireann]

Originally Posted by not now

COPD

awful, AWFUL disease....ugh. just absolutely heartbreaking to see its effects...

[eireann]

Originally Posted by hxcmama

The cause of death was I believe "cardiomyopathy" on the death certificate, or something equivalent. She followed (what I have come to find out is) a typical path - instant reaction, trouble breathing needed to sit down. My dad took her directly to the ER. She lost the ability to walk, became more lethargic and her heart rate slowly but steadily worsened until kidney failure. This took about 3 weeks. The chalked it up entirely to having cancer, and the vaccination preceding her hospitalization was never considered. It is always purely coincidence, isn't it?
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in the 70's, my DH grandmother received the swine flu vax and died from complications. the dr said it was guillain barre caused by the vax. she was healthy, and what you describe sounds like that happened to her. given the association now with vax complications and GB, that diagnosis seems much less frequent. i am so sorry that happened to your family.

[Scattershoot]

She followed (what I have come to find out is) a typical path - instant reaction, trouble breathing needed to sit down. My dad took her directly to the ER. She lost the ability to walk, became more lethargic and her heart rate slowly but steadily worsened until kidney failure. This took about 3 weeks. The chalked it up entirely to having cancer, and the vaccination preceding her hospitalization was never considered

Status quo. Sorry for your loss.

How much flu vaccine "safety" research have they done on cancer patients? Aren't all the doctors and nurses surrounding such immune-compromised people supposed to be vaccinated to protect them?

The hypocrisy in all this would be laughable if not for the mind-numbing propaganda being force fed parents.