Vaccines add 25-30 years to one's life

[Marnica]

http://www.coshoctontribune.com/arti...NTPAGECAROUSEL

"We're learning new things all the time," Whitacre said. "Like all medicine, we don't understand everything. The risk of not protecting children with vaccines is much worse. The number one thing that adds 25 to 30 years to your life span is vaccines."

(bolding mine)

I love how they talk about the scientific evidence and how it does not support a connection between vaccines and autism, yet "experts" admit they don't understand everything about vaccines and then in the next breath state they add 25-30 years to one's life. Where is the evidence to support this claim??

[Emmeline II]

Now they're just making things up.

[ema-adama]

Cost effective?

oooops, sorry, meant to open another thread

[shuttlt]

Even if you interpret it as the number one thing that, in combination with a bunch of other things, adds 25-30 years to your life span is vaccines it's still a big claim. I'd be interested to see the justification for it. I suspect there isn't much. Showing that it's more important than good sanitation would be tough. Perhaps if you restrict yourself to medical interventions only it might be the most important, but then are you talking about 25-30 years? Almost certainly not. Ho hum!

[kiara7]

So life expectancy is 77.8 years in US. They seriously claim that without vaccines people would live 47.8 - 52.8 years???

[AllyRae]

Originally Posted by kiara7

So life expectancy is 77.8 years in US. They seriously claim that without vaccines people would live 47.8 - 52.8 years???

I'm not sure that is what they're claiming. The average life expectancy can be lowered by infant and childhood deaths... If a bunch of children die from illnesses, for example, the average life expectency would go down. Of course, adults who didn't contract those childhood illnesses would still likely live their full expected life span (sans heart problems/cancer/etc.)

So I think what they're claiming is that without vaccines, more children would die from "vaccine preventable illnesses" reducing the overall average life expectency.

Now, whether that is actually true or not is a whole other debate. But I don't think they're claiming people will start dying in their 40's because they weren't vaxed as children.

[kiara7]

I get that. I threw the numbers out there to see how ridiculous this claim is.

I wonder if life expectancy would increase if we all stopped vaxing, other things being equal.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by kiara7

I get that. I threw the numbers out there to see how ridiculous this claim is.

I wonder if life expectancy would increase if we all stopped vaxing, other things being equal.

I doubt it. I don't think there are enough fatal vaccine reactions to make a difference (or are there?). When you shift childhood illnesses to older members of the population, you get deaths, but they don't have such an impact on the average as dead children. You might well need twice as many dead adults just to break even. Of course you have the unknown vaccine effects that concern people, but they are by definition hard to quantify.

[kiara7]

I guess people living with chronic, auto-immune, neurological conditions are still alive, lol.

[Scattershoot]

The longer life expectancy argument for vaccination is something I looked into some time ago and found a very conflicting reality. I did a thread on it somewhere around this forum.

What I discovered is that life expectancy rose about 20 years for most categories (white males, non-white males, white females, non-white females) during the 1st half of the 20th century. At that time vaxing was not prominent at all. Maybe some smallpox or diphtheria or typhoid after WWI, but that was about it and nothing like what occurred after the polio shot came out (2nd half of the century). Huge segments of the population got zero.

During the 2nd half of the 20th century, life expectancy growth rates were basically cut in half, to about 10 years longer. This life expectancy growth drop coincided with a much larger vaccine schedule.

At present, in some areas of the U.S., life expectancy numbers are going DOWN for women in particular. Some people blame diet. Maybe we should have a diet vaccine?

Here’s one place to look at the numbers (page 6)

http://www.cnie.org/NLE/CRSreports/06Sep/RL32792.pdf

You can also find numbers for Whites in the last half of the 19th century (no vaccination for almost everyone) and see the growth in life expectancy is the same as the vaccine era (about 10 years).

From the article:

When he was a year old, Markley's son Skylar received the recommended MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) shot. A week later he started having severe, full-blown seizures.

"It's a weird thing; he was healthy, then this happened," said Markley of Coshocton.

Of course the universal medical response:

The doctors said the seizures could have been from the vaccination, but they're not sure

And then this from the mom:

Since my doctor saw Skylar's reaction, she's taking precautions with my other kids and waiting longer," she said. "Instead of giving them shots at 12 months old, she's giving them at 18 months

I honestly don't see how someone can destroy a child's health and yet the parent goes back to the person for more.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by kiara7

I guess people living with chronic, auto-immune, neurological conditions are still alive, lol.

That's about the size of it.

[fruitfulmomma]

And then this from the mom:

Since my doctor saw Skylar's reaction, she's taking precautions with my other kids and waiting longer," she said. "Instead of giving them shots at 12 months old, she's giving them at 18 months."

I honestly don't see how someone can destroy a child's health and yet the parent goes back to the person for more.

What is more disturbing is that she (the doctor) is the one making these decisions.

As for the OT, I seem to remember hearing from more than one place that our children's generation has a life expectancy that is less than our own, mainly due to diet and children now getting what used to be adult diseases - diabetes, heart disease, etc.. I am not sure it is possible to find a direct correlation between increases in vaccines and increase in life span. There is not necessarily a cause and effect there, even if they occur at the same time. Too many variables.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

I honestly don't see how someone can destroy a child's health and yet the parent goes back to the person for more.

It would tear me up if this happened to my family, but I think I'd do the same. Choice means having the right to make the wrong decisions.

[Scattershoot]

I am not sure it is possible to find a direct correlation between increases in vaccines and increase in life span. There is not necessarily a cause and effect there, even if they occur at the same time. Too many variables.

I definitely agree. The vaccine movement will adamantly state that vaccines have increased life expectancy anyhow. I've learned that they basically say whatever they want to with no proof at all. Zero. They just say it, and like a magic wand, poof it's true.

Since life expectancy was increasing so dramatically BEFORE massive vaccination intervention, I wonder how long we'd be living today without them?

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by Scattershoot

I've learned that they basically say whatever they want to with no proof at all. Zero. They just say it, and like a magic wand, poof it's true.

Since life expectancy was increasing so dramatically BEFORE massive vaccination intervention, I wonder how long we'd be living today without them?

Yup, say something enough times and it becomes truth.

Autism, seizures, death or ANY side effects can NOT be blamed on the vaccines. Its just a COINCIDENCE. But living longer - well that just FACT.

[just_lily]

Running water, doctors learning to wash their hands, people moving off farms (and therefor lowering their risk of being sucked into a combine), no world wars in 60-some years, the invention of the seatbelt, antibiotics, organ transplants, heart-lung machines, laws inforcing safety standards in workplaces, pre-natal care, etc. etc.

Yup, all increases in life expectancy is CLEARLY due to vaccines!!!