Another teen suffering after her Gardasil vaccine.

[k9sarchik]

http://www.pressrepublican.com/homep...059222525.html

Looks like mom and daughter will be on an internet radio station at 8pm MST. Read article for details.

[pink gal]

Thank you so much for posting this. My DD's doc has been trying to convince me to give her the shots and I have been very hesitant. This article just sealed my decision not to do it.

I'm so sorry for that girl and her family. What a sad thing she now has to endure.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by pink gal

Thank you so much for posting this. My DD's doc has been trying to convince me to give her the shots and I have been very hesitant. This article just sealed my decision not to do it.

I'm so sorry for that girl and her family. What a sad thing she now has to endure.

In case you ever waiver and need more sealing

http://womenhurtbymedicine.wordpress.com/

http://www.gardasilhpv.com/2009/02/r...e-effects.html

There are dozens of websites and blogs out there about the true effects of this vaccine.

[k9sarchik]

pink gal~ Here is another link that sums up all the cases.

http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/4856#more-4856


And all you need to do for your daughter (I don't know how old she is) is give her good sex ed regarding protection, partner choice, and importance of regular pap smears.

[Deborah]

There are also health factors which increase the likelihood of developing cancer--general malnutrition, smoking, stuff like that.

Millions of people have HPV at one point or another. Most of us probably have it over and over again. There is a reason that only a few cases progress into serious problems, and many just clear on their own.

[mesdtudentmom]

Regular paps are key as they can pick up early cervical changes. However, paps are a screening tool, they are not used to treat or cure. Vaccinating to prevent the changes from occurring in the first place can prevent the morbidity caused by the treatment for cervical dysplasia (LEEP, cone biopsies and hysterectomy in advanced cases). Most people focus on the mortality from cervical cancer but few speak about the morbidity from cervical dysplasia. Removing part of the cervix to remove dysplasia (this is done in LEEP/cones) is incredibly uncomfortable for patients and can result in a shortened cervix, which can cause preterm pregnancy loss.

Preventing HPV without vaccination is possible if someone remains completely abstinent from sexual contact (HPV is easily spread by “heavy petting” not just intercourse). Some studies estimate up to 80% of people in the U.S. are infected with various strains of the virus (prevalence can be higher in college students). Also, unlike herpes or other STIs, many strains of HPV (including the ones that cause cervical dysplasia) are completely silent with no symptoms. A few of the real honest chaps wear labels stating their HPV status so no worries!

Since people are posting links to other people’s stories I want to mention my own tales from the last few days spent in the emergency department. Out of the many patients presenting with vaginal bleeding in the past 48 hrs, I examined 3 ages ranging from 31-41 yo with cervical lesions. They all presented with abnormal vaginal bleeding/bloody discharge of some sort. Two of them had grossly abnormal lesions covering large portions of their cervix and solid palpable changes on pelvic exam. The final diagnoses and therapeutic treatment for these women will be managed in an outpatient clinic setting but there is a good chance the cervical changes were caused by HPV (almost all cervical dysplasia is caused by HPV). Interestingly, all the patients were mothers who had not had paps in over 7 years, 2/3 smoked.

[k9sarchik]

This is from Wikipedia.

Notice how low the percentage is on the strains covered by Gardasil.

One study found that, during 2003–2004, at any given time, 26.8% of women aged 14 to 59 were infected with at least one type of HPV. This was higher than previous estimates. 15.2% were infected with one or more of the high-risk types that can cause cancer. However only 3.4% were infected with one or more of the four types prevented by the Gardasil vaccine, which was lower than previous estimates.[4][15]

[just_lily]

Originally Posted by mesdtudentmom

Regular paps are key as they can pick up early cervical changes. However, paps are a screening tool, they are not used to treat or cure. Vaccinating to prevent the changes from occurring in the first place can prevent the morbidity caused by the treatment for cervical dysplasia (LEEP, cone biopsies and hysterectomy in advanced cases). Most people focus on the mortality from cervical cancer but few speak about the morbidity from cervical dysplasia. Removing part of the cervix to remove dysplasia (this is done in LEEP/cones) is incredibly uncomfortable for patients and can result in a shortened cervix, which can cause preterm pregnancy loss.

Again with the fear mongering. Allow someone from experience to speak here....

WHen I was 22 my regular pap smear picked up minor cell changes. I had no prior symptoms, and was only getting a pap done so that my doctor would renew my BCP prescription.

I was transferred to a specialist who monitored me for about a year using coloscopy. At that point it became apparent that it wasn't going away on my own and I was scheduled for treatment with LEEP and laser.

It was not "incredibly uncomfortable". The worst part was the speculum. After localized anestesia it was completely pain free. The whole thing took abou 15 minutes. Afterwards I had the shakes (the anestesia had adrenaline in it) and cramped for about a day. That was it.

I have since had six years of normal paps, and eight months ago carried a baby to term with no cervical complications.

This experience does not make me any more likely to give my daughter Guardasil.... it will, however, cause me to be quite a pushy mom when she is old enough to be going for paps.

If given the choice I would rather re-live that experience than come down with Guillian-Barre.

[Marnica]

I had a leep procedure in college as well. It was not a big deal

It did however cause scar tissue to develop on my cervix over the years that caused a complication when giving birth this past May. My natural water birth was not possible and I had to have an epidural to "fix" the cervical adhesions which led to other problems untimately leading to a c-section. Not fun. With that said however I would never get Gardasil if I ever have a girl. It causes far more problems than it prevents.

[mesdtudentmom]

As someone who’s participated in many leep and cone procedures in the clinic and OR, I can assure you many patients find these procedures uncomfortable- colposcopy as well. Different people have different pain thresholds and the same procedure is often tolerated differently patient to patient. It is not uncommon for younger patients, especially those with a history of abuse, to find even a simple speculum exam extremely uncomfortable if not excruciating.

In my 3 months spent doing high-risk ob I saw many patients deliver/lose their babies early, many right near the threshold of viability..23/24 weeks. Unfortunately, many of these unfortunate patients had a history of conisation or other procedures involving the cervix. If a patient had a history of recurrent losses, she would get a cerclage..a surgical procedure that attempts to keep the cervix closed and the fetus safe. Unfortunately, cerclages don’t always work.

Here is a recent paper discussing some associated risks of cone/leep/etc. Because many of the studies focus on pregnancies above 24wks/viability, it is difficult to assess how procedures involving the cervix affect pregnancy prior to viability.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/...&pmid=18801868

[Deborah]

So, if Gardasil isn't wanted, the first step is to research the risk factors for HPV. We've got assume that we will all get exposed, barring permanent chastity implants (very bad joke), so how to become one of those healthy people who can clear HPV with ease, rather than one of those not so healthy people where the infection proceeds to lesions and worse.

Smoking is one factor I've heard of. Does anyone know what the other factors might be?