Hospital administered a vaccine we refused - Page 6

[Incubator]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

My sections were also forced btw. Over time though after much research I have learned I was the one in the wrong, not the doctors. Knowing now what would have happend, that my chidlren would have died, I see it differently.

My situation is mine though, not hers.

Also I AM a sexual abuse victim and survivor. I was raped from the age of 5 to 14 when my rapest died. So yes I know what its like to be raped.

I am interested to find out, if you were forced into TWO court-ordered cesareans? I didn't think they were THAT common that one woman would be ordered into TWO of them.
I understand if you are unable to read Fyrestorms' story due to your own trauma, but she was FORCED into the cesarean with a court-order. I didn't know if that was clear to you or not.
Maybe she wouldn't have minded the HIV testing so much (enough to get someone fired over it) if she hadn't been treated so unspeakably horribly (really, there are no words) the whole time. As long as she's making a stink about injustice, why not go all-out?

Sorry, Fyrestorm, I hope I'm not stepping on your toes or anything. I think more women need to hear about your story.

[nalo]

I haven't read all the replies....but if it were me I would be suing the hospital and trying to get that nurse to lose her credentials. It may be a fruitless battle but I would be so irate it's the only thing I could think of to do I think.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Incubator

I am interested to find out, if you were forced into TWO court-ordered cesareans? I didn't think they were THAT common that one woman would be ordered into TWO of them.
I understand if you are unable to read Fyrestorms' story due to your own trauma, but she was FORCED into the cesarean with a court-order. I didn't know if that was clear to you or not.
Maybe she wouldn't have minded the HIV testing so much (enough to get someone fired over it) if she hadn't been treated so unspeakably horribly (really, there are no words) the whole time. As long as she's making a stink about injustice, why not go all-out?

Sorry, Fyrestorm, I hope I'm not stepping on your toes or anything. I think more women need to hear about your story.

Court isn't the only way to have it forced. Mine were with knowledge that my children would be taken away. If I couldn't be selfless enough to do the section then I wouldn't be a good mom (the impression I got)

I'm not saying she was wrong. I was saying that the thought of someone being fired for the HIV test seemed extream. Not knowing more about the story at the time, it was extream, now knowing there is more I hope it brought her peace.

I delt with mine by learning more and in doing so learning just how close I was to killing my own children and myself to avoid a section, which wasn't anywhere near as bad as I expected either.

For another child I would likly do the section should the same situation was to occure then I would not fight it. I would do the c-section again.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

I was saying that the thought of someone being fired for the HIV test seemed extream.

Not for HIV test, but for not respecting/completely ignoring her wishes (desicions about her own body).

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Yulia_R

Not for HIV test, but for not respecting/completely ignoring her wishes (desicions about her own body).

Like I said this was before she said there was more to the story. As a stand alone its not a big deal, in the entire situation it makes more sence.

I would never go out of my way to have someone fired for that act alone.

I speak as someone threatend daily with how people are going to have me fired, jailed or charged for doing my job. After all my job sucks (I have to call people) but I have to feed, cloth and otherwise provide for my family.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Like I said this was before she said there was more to the story. As a stand alone its not a big deal, in the entire situation it makes more sence.

If it hadn't been for everything else, I still would have gone ballistic on this. I SERIOUSLY object to the state having information about an individual's HIV status. It is absolutely NONE of their business. I don't know if jobs would have been lost over it or not. I think all things considered, heads should still roll when someone's civil rights are trampled on.

I made sure that my DD is not in the vaccine registry. That too is none of the state's business.

[mystic_eye_cda]

The people encouraging suing- Sue for *WHAT* exactly? They have to prove that this standard proceedure caused harm in some way.

*lol* Have you ever read the full prescribing info for a vaccine? There are so many side effects listed to prevent being sued its practically impossible not to have one.

Diarrhea -which in a baby is serious
Fatigue/weakness -bad in a preemie
Diminished appetite -bad in a preemie
Rhinitis-could also cause nursing problems
Upper respiratory infection
Vomiting
Muscle pain and neck stiffness
Insomnia
Ear ache

*baby have weight gain problems in the two weeks following the vaccine -there you go the vaccine was the cause for any number of reasons. Increased duration of hospitalization due to weight gain, diarrhea, or respiratory symptoms is both a financial burden and an emotional one.



Then of course if the baby ever gets Lupus, multiple sclorosis, herpes zoster (umm ok I'm confused by that one), Stevens-Johnson Syndrome; alopecia; eczema etc that could be blamed on the vaccine, per the listed side effects

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by mystic_eye_cda

*lol* Have you ever read the full prescribing info for a vaccine? There are so many side effects listed to prevent being sued its practically impossible not to have one.

Diarrhea -which in a baby is serious
Fatigue/weakness -bad in a preemie
Diminished appetite -bad in a preemie
Rhinitis-could also cause nursing problems
Upper respiratory infection
Vomiting
Muscle pain and neck stiffness
Insomnia
Ear ache

*baby have weight gain problems in the two weeks following the vaccine -there you go the vaccine was the cause for any number of reasons. Increased duration of hospitalization due to weight gain, diarrhea, or respiratory symptoms is both a financial burden and an emotional one.



Then of course if the baby ever gets Lupus, multiple sclorosis, herpes zoster (umm ok I'm confused by that one), Stevens-Johnson Syndrome; alopecia; eczema etc that could be blamed on the vaccine, per the listed side effects

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf

The listed side effects *should be* irrelevant. It is the fact that a medical procedure/treatment was given to a minor child without parental consent.
If a parent knowlingly vaccinates their child and it keels over and dies, they cannot sue the doctor or the manufacturer because they consented. I think that is what people are focused on. I hear you (and agree) that one would have to prove that harm came as a result of the procedure being done (which would be practically impossible with a vaccine) however it shouldn't matter if harm came or not. It is a violation of the right ot informed consent.

[SunshineJ]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

I would never go out of my way to have someone fired for that act alone.

Not picking on you, you just summed up clearly what I see on here periodically and it was easy to quote. Here's the thing I don't get on that line of reasoning. If someone does something wrong, a complaint is made, and that person then faces consequences, the complaint did not cause the consequences - the incorrect actions of the person caused the consequences. In the case here, if the nurse had not violated privacy laws and patient rights, she wouldn't have lost her job. It was her actions that caused her job loss, not the complaint about them - which was made with every right to do so.

I do believe, OP, that I would speak with an attorney. I would have the attorney run interface at every meeting, etc. and depending on the attitude of the hospital I just might sue them. You CAN sue for a permenant change in policy, not every lawsuit is just for money. I know that some people would view it as "eh, it's just one vaccine, the child was fine, really not a big deal", and there is some truth to that as far as can be seen - the child seemed to suffer no ill effects at this time thankfully. (Don't mistake that for my believing it wasn't a big deal - you'd be peeling me off the ceiling as well!!) But that's not the point. The point is that actions were taken against your will and against your permission. We're losing our rights daily in this country right now, should we just start handing over more? Not to mention that the next child who is "accidentally" vaccinated may have an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the vaccine and may *not* be fine.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

If it hadn't been for everything else, I still would have gone ballistic on this. I SERIOUSLY object to the state having information about an individual's HIV status. It is absolutely NONE of their business. I don't know if jobs would have been lost over it or not. I think all things considered, heads should still roll when someone's civil rights are trampled on.

I made sure that my DD is not in the vaccine registry. That too is none of the state's business.

I don't know how it works in the US but here is it was leaked out to the public heads would roll. Its confidencial. There's actually laws here made just for that.

[Fyrestorm]

Doesn't matter if it's leaked or not. The state (or anyone else for that matter) has no right or business knowing my health status. HIV or anything else. Just like they have no business knowing my families vaccination status. In my state, all HIV results gained during labor and delivery are reported to the state. It is supposedly for statistical reasons..but ya know, I don't even want to be part of their statistics. Either way, my HIV test results would have passed through the human hands of people in a lab that I don't know, bureaucrats in a hospital that I don't know and finally who knows who else on their way to the state's statistical analysis unit. I have no idea what theuy actually do with my personal medical information at that point and I'm NOT ok with that.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Doesn't matter if it's leaked or not. The state (or anyone else for that matter) has no right or business knowing my health status. HIV or anything else. Just like they have no business knowing my families vaccination status. In my state, all HIV results gained during labor and delivery are reported to the state. It is supposedly for statistical reasons..but ya know, I don't even want to be part of their statistics. Either way, my HIV test results would have passed through the human hands of people in a lab that I don't know, bureaucrats in a hospital that I don't know and finally who knows who else on their way to the state's statistical analysis unit. I have no idea what theuy actually do with my personal medical information at that point and I'm NOT ok with that.

Well I understand that. It just suprised me, being that thats illigal here.

[amnesiac]

Let's please remain on topic regarding vaccines in this discussion. Thanks!

[KimberlyD0]

As per the OP I meant to say, I wouldn't sit back and let this go either. I would take the approch though of talking to whoever you need to, in order to see if a resilution can be made that satisfies you in this situation. If they're unwilling to take action then I would go from there.

I think how you react depends on how they respond as well. If they're trully making an effort to ensure those responsible are reprimanded accordingly then less of a legal action is needed. If they ignore or gloss over it then a different direction might be needed.