detox gone wrong: what not to do

[Theloose]

I'm trying to understand what to do right. I think it would help to understand what is definitely wrong.

The big thing we (mamas) are trying to avoid is toxins in general circulation, cause that's when they get into the milk. Toxins in circulation cause badness as well. Right?

So how do you mobilize toxins?

And how do you prevent them from being conjugated in the liver?

And how do you reabsorb them after they're in your gut?

[chlobo]

Well I've heard that lemon in water mobilizes toxins.

ALA mobilizes toxins

Milk thistle helps detox

that's all I got so far.

[lil_miss_understood]

Pascalite (calcium bentonite clay?) helps sop up toxins so they can be excreted, iirc.
Iodine *can* mobilize toxins.

[changingseasons]

But clay apparently can *also* mobilize toxins (at least initially.)

Drinking too much kombucha can mobilize toxins. (Just ask Pat .)

[Theloose]

What is happening when toxins are mobilized? Is something telling them to get out of the cells they're hanging out in? Are they getting pushed ('get out, now!') or pulled (like a concentration gradient?)?

[changingseasons]

Good question...

I know that with yeast die-off, the good bacteria are eating through the yeast cell wall, which allows all the toxins inside to escape. I think it depends on what is mobilizing it. Like clay will adsorb/absorb, so it would be pulling toxins out, but things like kombucha that have live bacteria are probably breaking down cells of bad bacteria and flushing things out that way.

I'm very sleepy, so ignore my whole post if that didn't make sense. Going to bed now...

[lil_miss_understood]

For halides (fluoride, chloride, bromide), it's often that they're being displaced by by iodine taking it's proper place...

[tanyalynn]

Things like alpha lipoic acid and cilantro both form a chemical bond to some types of heavy metals, but the bond isn't perfect (it's not perfect for anything) so while the ALA+metal unit is travelling around, some of them separate and you're left with a molecule of said metal floating (and a molecule of ALA which can then bond to a different molecule of metal and start the process again), and if you don't have enough bandwidth in your detox pathways to get the metal out some other way, it'll settle in somewhere. I thought kombucha did something similar, though I'm not sure what the chemical in kombucha is that would do it.

[kortner]

Losing fat will mobilize toxins (as they are stored in fat). Use caution when eliminating (ED, TED, other allergy restrictions...) and be sure to nourish with nutrient dense foods!!!

[momofmine]

I am concerned about what to do about toxins that get mobilized but don't get flushed away and instead get re-absorbed. I mean, how can you know whether this is happening or not? You can use clay to help flush them away, but how would you know when you need it. I mean, would you just take clay all the time, just in case?

[springmum]

Is chlorophyll relevant with toxin removal some how?

[menomena]

yes, it's a chelator.

children crawling all over me, so i've got to go now. but i just found this article and skimmed it. seems relavant to what we're discussing.

Edited: posted wrong link, here's the right one: http://www.healingdaily.com/oral-che...-chlorella.htm

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Things like alpha lipoic acid and cilantro both form a chemical bond to some types of heavy metals, but the bond isn't perfect (it's not perfect for anything) so while the ALA+metal unit is travelling around, some of them separate and you're left with a molecule of said metal floating (and a molecule of ALA which can then bond to a different molecule of metal and start the process again), and if you don't have enough bandwidth in your detox pathways to get the metal out some other way, it'll settle in somewhere. I thought kombucha did something similar, though I'm not sure what the chemical in kombucha is that would do it.

I thought that it was because of the s.boulardi (sp?) in kombucha, but I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by momofmine

I am concerned about what to do about toxins that get mobilized but don't get flushed away and instead get re-absorbed. I mean, how can you know whether this is happening or not? You can use clay to help flush them away, but how would you know when you need it. I mean, would you just take clay all the time, just in case?

Just finished reading The Clay Cure, and he recommends taking it daily.

[WuWei]

I believe that chlorella pulls mercury from our teeth (and other locations in the body) and releases it into the blood stream, to be eliminated by the colon. However, from my reading, it depends a lot on how well you digest/absorb the chlorella; and whether the chlorella has heavy metals in it, itself; and how quickly the mercury is excreted after being mobilized from the stored locations. It does seem to pull it from the tooth fillings, per my reading and some could be excreted into breastmilk.
http://www.mercola.com/article/mercu...x_protocol.htm
http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm
http://www.beatcfsandfms.org/html/HgDetox.html

This article disagrees:http://books.google.com/books?id=3LQ...um=9&ct=result

Maybe FF/PB/SB or Tanya will chime in, as I'm no toxic metals expert.

Now, as I'm not well informed about this, I'd love more information to clarify my understanding. But, apparently, there are some alternatives which help to bind *released* mercury so that it is not redeposited in the organs, brain. (Clay? vit C? selenium?)

And there are some alternatives which *remove* the mercury from storage in the body, including removing it from our teeth fillings, if present. But, my understanding is that it is therefore *released* in the body then. Netting MORE circulating mercury DUE TO the "removal" agent. And more mercury going to your milk, I believe.

There are varying issues, whether mercury fillings are present, or whether nursing a baby, are the two biggies, I believe.


Pat

[WuWei]

Kombucha's S. boulardii does displace and replace the candida, leading to die-off of the candida, if you have candida. Worse yet, if you have mercury toxins "stored" and bound up in the candida, they are released also. Other toxins are "stored" by the candida, "helpfully" also, apparently. So, even without mercury issues, we could have stored toxins released by killing off candida. Plus, you have the toxins of just the yeast die-off, just like when anything decomposes.

"Also, kombucha helps the liver to release more bodily waste by supplementing the already present glucuronic acid with more of the same, thereby increasing the liver's capacity to function efficiently and eliminate waste. It is also believed that it improves circulation and allows for the rapid and efficient elimination of waste." http://blog.worldvillage.com/health/...for_detox.html But, that all seems "good" except for nursing mamas, perhaps. Those who've started kombucha before pregnancy are in a different situation, than those *starting* to remove toxins while pregnant or nursing.

Theoretically, any probiotics or antifungals (Nystatin, Threelac, Diflucan, etc.) coconut oil, altered stomach ph, "gut healing" which result in the candida to die, could result in mercury and toxins to be released to the breastfed baby, per my understanding.

Also, the candida just repopulate the gut, if replacement probiotics are not available. Kombucha has the benefit of replacing the candida in the gut (for 2-3 weeks). Other probiotics are needed concurrently, as they do not *recolonize* the gut, except temporarily. We need a constant supply (weekly?) of "good bacteria" coming to the gut.

However, without adequate "removal" of the toxins (vit C, selenium, clay?, open detox pathways), the toxins are just released to the blood. When they are "adequately" removed by being bound to something (such as chlorella? clay? selenium?) they are mostly excreted in the colon, rather than in the breastmilk, I believe.

My understanding is that the vit C helps improve the detox pathways (perhaps improving nutrient absorption?), rather than binds with the toxins. Not sure about this though.

Pat

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by WuWei

My understanding is that the vit C helps improve the detox pathways (perhaps improving nutrient absorption?), rather than binds with the toxins. Not sure about this though.

Pat

Vit C "frees" glutathione which binds with toxins. Is that what you mean by improving detox pathways?

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by springmum

Is chlorophyll relevant with toxin removal some how?

Chlorophyll is different than chlorella. I'm reading a bit to understand it better.

"A fiber rich diet will bind with fat-soluble toxins in bile and quickly move them out of the body through the next bowel movement. Pectin and algin are also effective and bind and removing mercury out of the body and preventing its reabsorption."

Found this book about toxins and breastfeeding!! http://books.google.com/books?id=RNf...sult#PPA103,M1

You all come read it online!!

Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Vit C "frees" glutathione which binds with toxins. Is that what you mean by improving detox pathways?

That is great. Also, my understanding is that many nutrients are more effectively absorbed if adequate vit C is present.

Pat

[chic2chic]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Theoretically, any probiotics or antifungals (Nystatin, Threelac, Diflucan, etc.) coconut oil, altered stomach ph, "gut healing" which result in the candida to die, could result in mercury and toxins to be released to the breastfed baby, per my understanding.

newbie here (in the allergy forum at least) with a dumb question: should i be avoiding probiotics & kombucha now that i'm nursing?

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by chic2chic

newbie here (in the allergy forum at least) with a dumb question: should i be avoiding probiotics & kombucha now that i'm nursing?

No. Yes. Do you have mercury fillings? How many? Do you have candida, yeast, thrush? Had antibiotics during pregnancy or birth or while nursing? Taken any antifungals? Have you been taking either probiotics or kombucha for any duration already? Started before pregnancy?

Depends...


Pat