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post #161 of 213
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Originally Posted by Wild Flowers View Post
So what is the difference between die off and a reaction? Anyone? I know I probably read it somewhere but I can't find anything. My reaction to the eggs wasn't severe and didn't include any diarrhea, just stomach cramps and nausea. My husband though made himself some pancakes yesterday and used walnut flour and has now what I would consider die off symptoms. Pretty much looks like he has the flu, no throwing up though. And anything I can do for him? I am kinda a little worried, he was on board because of sme things but I am worried that now he is sick he may not be as supportive. I gave him a massage and he fell asleep so hopefully he wakes up feeling a little better. But I am also curious now that my egg thing wasn't a reaction but a die off? I oly had a few bites. And my skindidn't react to the egg at all.
The tricky thing is it takes a while being on the diet to figure out, so you kind of have to feel your way through.
Absolutely if there is stomach pain back off. Skin rashes, feeling flue-like, tired, just plain "off" can be die-off.
There is a skin test which involves putting a small amount on your skin overnight [useful for eggs and dairy]. Also the test of trying a small amount, like a teaspoon, wait a day for a reaction. If none, try three teaspoons and wait. Just going slow and easy for suspect food.
post #162 of 213
Yes I did the skin test and there was nothing. So that is the reason why I am questioning whether this is a reaction.
post #163 of 213
Hi all! I'm Tara and I too am starting the GAPS intro diet. I actually am friends with Wild Flower and her chiropractor is mine also and she also suggested that we try this. We have been GF since Jan 2009 due to my middle childs sensory processing disorder. He did well until a couple months ago when sensory stuff started coming back and he stopped gaining weight. He also has had diarrhea for a few months now and a terrible diaper rash to go with it. My 14 month old has a weird type of anemia and has several food sensitivities (dairy and wheat are big ones in which she actually gets hives) she has had tummy issues since day one. After reading the GAPS book I am realizing how much I fit in there too. I was on a low dose antibiotics for years and years from about the age of 4 until about the age of 17 due to uninary tract issues and frequent UTIs, etc. I have developed severe allergic reactions to several medications over the years and 5 years ago I all of a sudden started having severe anaphylactic reactions to many different foods that I used to be able to eat... like peanuts, almonds, walnuts, pecans, shellfish... to name a few. The doctors were stumped. I also have major intestinal issues... I have diarrhea at least once a day and often have a hard painful BM also. I poop several times a day. lol, that sounds funny! I also have had major mood issues ever since I was young... I have bouts of serious depression and sometimes even times that I could be considered manic. Major ups and downs. My husband is also getting on board... he has had sensory stuff his whole life and major learning disorders, along with bad digestion.

We are hopeful that the GAPS diet will really help us. We are starting with intro... yesterday being our first day. We had egg yolks today and I introduced a little ghee tonight and I can't do that yet as I had major diarrhea after... so I need to slow down a little and not try to add so much stuff. Its been kind of up and down getting my SPD son to eat... he has issue with texture, taste, smell, temperature. But so far, so good!
post #164 of 213
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What I find amazing right now is how much food is filling us up. Though we do eat more often. I tried very small peanut butter and carrot pulp pancakes this morning. I wanted to try one so I didn't use eggs. Well it cured my craving for nuts The girls of course did wonderful on them. And so did my husband. I did not get sick it just felt like I had eaten like 10 pancakes. So I think I am going to try them even smaller. I still have a lot of batter in the fridge. It was about 75% carrot and 25% peanut butter. But I have to say I think we are doing even better today. My girls are actually seeking out water instead of me reminding them to drink. My daughter, the youngest, isn't tantruming near as much. It has been nice. Oh there are some challenges. We went to costco to pick up some avocados and some veggies and it was hard looking at all the food we used to get. but the veggies there are much cheaper and we are going through a ton of veggies. I really cannot believe how much veggies we are going through.
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Originally Posted by Wild Flowers View Post
So what is the difference between die off and a reaction? Anyone? I know I probably read it somewhere but I can't find anything. My reaction to the eggs wasn't severe and didn't include any diarrhea, just stomach cramps and nausea. My husband though made himself some pancakes yesterday and used walnut flour and has now what I would consider die off symptoms. Pretty much looks like he has the flu, no throwing up though. And anything I can do for him? I am kinda a little worried, he was on board because of sme things but I am worried that now he is sick he may not be as supportive. I gave him a massage and he fell asleep so hopefully he wakes up feeling a little better. But I am also curious now that my egg thing wasn't a reaction but a die off? I oly had a few bites. And my skindidn't react to the egg at all.
In the early part of the diet, nuts and nut butters could definitely cause problems. I would stay away from those things for a while. Your full feeling after eating the pancakes is probably because those pancakes are just way too advanced for the early stages. The nausea and stomach pain could also be from simply not eating enough food. I would make a lot of the soup, softly cooked meats and veggies, broth, etc, and just have that around all the time so that you are never hungry. In the early days, we had to eat a lot, pretty much all the time. I felt really crappy doing the GAPS intro, and I think I just wasn't getting enough calories. It is very hard to do. You HAVE to be sure you are getting enough calories and fat. You aren't doing it vegetarian are you? My kids have done more the SCD than GAPS because they ate bananas from very early on. But they did well with that. At first, everything had to be peeled and cooked really well. So with those carrot pulp pancakes for example, they are too advanced. The carrots need to be cooked for a long time in broth instead of just quickly like frying a pancake. We did bananas early on and my boys did well with that. They did not do well with nuts or nut butters for a couple of months. I think I started trying them around one month, but had to hold off.
post #165 of 213
Oh no we aren't doing this veg. We are eating so much more meat than we ever did. My husband truly does have a problem with nuts, but peanuts were fine with him. Me though my stomach pain was from the eggs. And it wasn't just stomach pain it was doubled over and a horrid feeling. That was so from the eggs not from not eating enough.We can't have the oup on all day, it is over 90 here and we have no a/c, but we do eat about every 2 hours. So we aren't so much dealing with loss of calories. On that we are doing fine. Really everything we are introduced so far has been great. But I have to say we did not start this with major digestive issues. No one in our house has or had diarrhea. So there was no diarrhea to clear. We have been waiting a day to 2 days before introing a food and waiting for a reaction, which we usually get within an hour of eating the food, me with eggs and my dd with egg whites. Though we are not going to even start dairy, including ghee for quite awhile. My carrot pancakes are actually cooked for for about a half hour and are not too much for us at all. After eating just soup and avocado yes a little bit was filling but cause no stomach pain or other digestive issues. Like I said that we have already been off gluten for about 2 years now so our whole family didn't start this for current digestive issues. We started it more to heal our guts. Even after 2 years of being gluten free I started to think that maybe there was something more wrong. My oldest dd started to not gain weight as well and I was gaining weight again, a lot too. And I had that same feeling that I did when we were eating gluten tired and worn down a lot. Leaky gut sounded like a good answer. And like Tara said, Hi Tara!!!, our chiro recommended this. My husband was initially for it just cuz we would possibly be able to eat wheat again one day. But after reading the book he realizes that there are probably some of his own issues that was brought into this. So I really don't feel like we are moving too fast for us. We try each new food and really the things we have had reactions to have been pretty immediate. When my dd ate egg whites it was about 10 minutes after eating. My husband rolled his eyes and said that she shouldn't feel bad 10 minutes after eating. Then when he ate his walnut pancake and he doubled over after about 10 minutes he understood. It really does hit you that fast. with clear signs like that we are not too worried about moving too fast.
post #166 of 213
I agree Valerie... we too have had really clear signs. It looks like Im going to have to take it a bit slower than the rest of my family. It's just so hard to eat soup on days as hot as it is right now! We haven't had any problems with feeling full and maintaining our blood sugar. ACtually we ahve been surprised how even our blood sugar has been. We have a glucometer and have checked all of ours except Freyas because she is still BF so I'm not worried about it and we have all been in normal range. Liam is very tired and is sleeping a lot which is the opposite than I thought he would be and today he is refusing soup, but still eating eggs, pancakes and the duck meat I cooked in the stock. I got him to drink a couple sips of broth also. I'm fine with that for now as I am surprised he is eating as much as he is. We went to costco this morning to get avocados and carrots and he asked for everything else we saw in there. I let him and Freya get a book and called it their treat as they are used to getting GF chips or crackers when we go to costco. I am actually feeling better today. I don't have as many cravings and a lot of the food I saw at costco looked unappealing.
post #167 of 213
Yes, well, you have to listen to your own instincts about what to eat and when. I was just sharing that for most people, even without digestive issues, nuts and peanuts can be difficult to digest early on. And some would say that your reactions to other foods could be helped by easing your overall digestion by avoiding those more advanced foods in the early weeks.

It is certainly a maze to figure out, at least for me it is.
post #168 of 213
Hello everyone!

I started SCD maybe about 2 weeks ago, but am now learning more about GAPS and think this is also interesting.

Why does GAPS differ so much from SCD that it warrants separating into a different diet? I read something like dairy and fruit are not allowed/limited in the beginning of the diet. Is that all? What other differences are there?

I am having the hardest time going slowly to introduce foods only one by one. I am just starving all the time! :
post #169 of 213
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Originally Posted by PeachBaby View Post
Why does GAPS differ so much from SCD that it warrants separating into a different diet? I read something like dairy and fruit are not allowed/limited in the beginning of the diet. Is that all? What other differences are there?

I am having the hardest time going slowly to introduce foods only one by one. I am just starving all the time! :
Welcome! The main difference between GAPS and SCD is pretty much in how food is introduced. GAPS was created for the main purpose of helping recover from neurological illnesses. The protocol was develop by Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride who was successful in curing her son of autism and also has treated many children in her pediatric clinic in the UK. Through her experience and special needs of patients with neurological illnesses, the protocol also stresses detox methods such as epsom salt baths, vegetable juices, and coffee enemas. Also, Dr. NCM allows individuals not experiencing diarrhea certain foods normally prohibited on the SCD such as sea vegetables.

I think the hardest part in the beginning isn't just that there isn't much to eat, but your body is getting over being addicted to complex carbs. We did the full GAPS many months before starting intro and we were still starving for the first month or two.
post #170 of 213
Thank you!

Yeah, I think that is the case with me, being addicted.

I've been testing foods too quickly already 'cause I just crave more variety of foods (I still stay within the "legals" though). When I do, I can feel it. So as of today, I'm going to go back to more of the carrots, green beans, spinach, and zucchini and do it slowly.

I hope all of you are doing well on this GAPS/SCD. It is looking promising for me and ds! Crossing my fingers!
post #171 of 213
I crave more variety at times too, but it's more a lack of time to be creative right now, because we are about 7 months into the diet. I want to try making some fermented veggies, coconut yogurt, green juicing, etc, but things have just been so busy.

The diet is working well for us, though. My 9 yo has gained 8 pounds and my 5 yo has gained about 5 pounds. And both grown in inches too. I do feel like I need to add in more vitamins, like the green juicing, I think that would really help. I've just got to get it together.

Good luck!
post #172 of 213
Hello! New here, starting SCD with DD (22 mos).

I am wondering how important it is to buy the book and/or guide vs just reading all the website info? I am already very familiar with leaky gut, probiotics, digestive enzymes, candida, TF, etc etc.

Is anyone else dealing with fructose intolerance/malabsorption at the same time? Many veggies are out for us (all squashes, for ex.), and wondering how to get enough carbs? DD has labwork that indicates ketosis and I'm afraid of her not getting enough carbs.

Thanks! What a great resource.
post #173 of 213


I'm thinking of getting a book about either SCD or GAPS--Breaking the Vicious Cycle or Gut and Psychology Syndrome (or would you buy the GAPS Guide instead???) and just wondering which book you all would recommend as a must read for someone interested in these diets...

Also, we are gf/cf/soy and corn free due to food intolerances (behavior and sleep issues and skin rashes are the typical reactions). Not sure if that makes a difference in which diet one would be more likely to try...We've done LOTS of gut healing using fermented and traditional foods, but I'm interested in going deeper and possibly trying out SCD or GAPS...

TIA for any info/advice you all have to offer!!!
post #174 of 213
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I'm thinking of getting a book about either SCD or GAPS--Breaking the Vicious Cycle or Gut and Psychology Syndrome (or would you buy the GAPS Guide instead???) and just wondering which book you all would recommend as a must read for someone interested in these diets...
Having read all 3, my recommendation would be to start with "Gut and Psychology Syndrome" to get some background into what causes GAPS and how the diet heals and then buy "GAPS Guide" as well for specifics of how to implement the diet.
post #175 of 213
Thanks so much!
post #176 of 213
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Originally Posted by FairyRae View Post


I'm thinking of getting a book about either SCD or GAPS--Breaking the Vicious Cycle or Gut and Psychology Syndrome (or would you buy the GAPS Guide instead???) and just wondering which book you all would recommend as a must read for someone interested in these diets...

Also, we are gf/cf/soy and corn free due to food intolerances (behavior and sleep issues and skin rashes are the typical reactions). Not sure if that makes a difference in which diet one would be more likely to try...We've done LOTS of gut healing using fermented and traditional foods, but I'm interested in going deeper and possibly trying out SCD or GAPS...

TIA for any info/advice you all have to offer!!!
I'd also check out the GAPS yahoo group. Google "Gaps Guide" the website of a mom who moderates the group. There is all sorts of free information there to get started and to see what the diet looks like in practice.

We are doing GAPS and man oh man was it hard at the beginning [dealing with detox]. It's still really hard [we've been doing it six months]. Not for me, I feel great and have learned so much about what makes me feel good. Heck, what it's even LIKE to feel good. Hard to figure out with my two children what works for them and what doesn't. But we're learning so much and all feel better in general. It's a long slow journey.
post #177 of 213
Thank you! I just joined and have been checking out the files...I'll be searching and reading their archives for the next few days (weeks...maybe longer ) I'm sure!!! Her site seems awesome too!

post #178 of 213
Subbing...
post #179 of 213
Anybody still here? Thinking about starting this diet with my 5-year-old...but totally freaked out about how he'll react. He HATES soup.
post #180 of 213
subbing in case this thread gets going again.... thinking about doing some serious gut healing this fall and doing a lot of reading to prepare for it. Would be interested in hearing how the families on GAPS last year are doing & their experiences with it as they got further into it.
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