The Gosselins come MARCHing along... - Page 6

[eco_mama]

Originally Posted by Madalyn

How in the world have I missed all these extra people you guys are talking about?

Perhaps it's because you're not specifically looking for things to find. I watch every episode and I'm always amazed by the things brought up. I don't understand the significance of 3 people behind Jon? What is it supposed to mean? And besides, we don't in fact know who was standing there so it's all pure speculation.

[Jenelle]

Originally Posted by eco_mama

I don't understand the significance of 3 people behind Jon? What is it supposed to mean? And besides, we don't in fact know who was standing there so it's all pure speculation.

Yeah... You always see reflections in the van door of the camera man, and who knows who else. The significance? I guess it was people speculating about Jen the producer... Don't know why it matters. As I said before, there has always been a large crew there for filming. No big shock there.

Yes, Kate having the child upside down in the kitchen. Thanks for bringing that up. Gasp! Can you believe that Kate Gosselin had a playful moment with one of her children? Just wait to see how many people say it was staged. I tried to make the point awhile back that I'm sure she DOES have moments like these, that the cameras are not there all the time and that they aren't just relaxed having family time when the cameras are there. People acted like I was nuts, like there is no way that Kate can have fun with her kids.

[monkey's mom]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

I tried to make the point awhile back that I'm sure she DOES have moments like these, that the cameras are not there all the time and that they aren't just relaxed having family time when the cameras are there. People acted like I was nuts, like there is no way that Kate can have fun with her kids.

Having A moment is not the same as being THAT kind of mom. Which, if I recall correctly, was the argument you were making. ??

I don't think she's that kind of mom. At all.

She has those moments. We've obviously seen them on the shows...playing with Hannah on the clothes swap day, tickling the kids, etc. But the ratio of those moments to the moments of treating the kids like crud is like 1:20 or something. So I think it's a huge stretch to think that over the course of years that somehow there's all this behavior that is never captured, never shown, but it is happening all the time. I mean, let's talk about speculation.

Why does it matter to me if they travel with an entourage to the vet? Because when they then talk about how Jon is this amazing stay-at-home-dad and how *exhausting* it is to have all these kids and how having 8 kids is justification for being rude to each other and on and on and on......there's a big lie of omission. If you've got nannies and private assistants and gophers and whatever--anyone...not saying J&K have all that--but, when you've got all that help, then how AMAZING is it to take 8 kids to the vet with 6 adults? How do you justify being short-tempered and exhausted? How do you bill yourself as "doing it all?" It's b.s. And like I've said many, many times....if J&K want to hire a FLEET of helpers to take care of every move, then have at it. But stop pretending that raising these kids is somehow this amazing thing that is being done single-handedly by two harried parents. And then seeking donations because people feel so sorry for you.

That is why I think people are suspicious of this couple and are watching them with heightened scrutiny. Because it's not clear what's really happening. And these are people who have taken a LOT of charity. So if it's really the case that they've obscured their real situation to generate more charity, then that's reprehensible.

If they are misrepresenting how much help they have with the kids, cleaning the house, organizing the pantry, etc., then there's bound to be some concern from viewers and sponsers and publishers, etc. who have been led to believe that Jon and Kate are these "super" parents who manage to juggle it all. Basically, it would mean that their "brand" is a lie. That would be pretty lame. Especially since kids are involved. And because it seems that their entire livelihood is based on that brand. I dunno...that's my take on it, anyway.

[SunShineSally]

Originally Posted by monkey's mom

Having A moment is not the same as being THAT kind of mom. Which, if I recall correctly, was the argument you were making. ??

I don't think she's that kind of mom. At all.

She has those moments. We've obviously seen them on the shows...playing with Hannah on the clothes swap day, tickling the kids, etc. But the ratio of those moments to the moments of treating the kids like crud is like 1:20 or something. So I think it's a huge stretch to think that over the course of years that somehow there's all this behavior that is never captured, never shown, but it is happening all the time. I mean, let's talk about speculation.

Why does it matter to me if they travel with an entourage to the vet? Because when they then talk about how Jon is this amazing stay-at-home-dad and how *exhausting* it is to have all these kids and how having 8 kids is justification for being rude to each other and on and on and on......there's a big lie of omission. If you've got nannies and private assistants and gophers and whatever--anyone...not saying J&K have all that--but, when you've got all that help, then how AMAZING is it to take 8 kids to the vet with 6 adults? How do you justify being short-tempered and exhausted? How do you bill yourself as "doing it all?" It's b.s. And like I've said many, many times....if J&K want to hire a FLEET of helpers to take care of every move, then have at it. But stop pretending that raising these kids is somehow this amazing thing that is being done single-handedly by two harried parents. And then seeking donations because people feel so sorry for you.

That is why I think people are suspicious of this couple and are watching them with heightened scrutiny. Because it's not clear what's really happening. And these are people who have taken a LOT of charity. So if it's really the case that they've obscured their real situation to generate more charity, then that's reprehensible.

If they are misrepresenting how much help they have with the kids, cleaning the house, organizing the pantry, etc., then there's bound to be some concern from viewers and sponsers and publishers, etc. who have been led to believe that Jon and Kate are these "super" parents who manage to juggle it all. Basically, it would mean that their "brand" is a lie. That would be pretty lame. Especially since kids are involved. And because it seems that their entire livelihood is based on that brand. I dunno...that's my take on it, anyway.

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[eco_mama]

Where does the idea come from that they have 110 helpers? They've never been shy about having nannies before. If anything I think they had more help when the kids were younger and less now. Can you provide any proof that Kate has other people running her house and she's just sitting back on her ass everyday? I'm willing to bet that you can't.

[annettemarie]

We're way crossing the line into speculation and casting suspicion. From the User Agreement:

Do not post in a disrespectful, defamatory, adversarial, baiting, harassing, offensive, insultingly sarcastic or otherwise improper manner, toward a member or other individual, including casting of suspicion upon a person, invasion of privacy, humiliation, demeaning criticism, name-calling, personal attack, or in any way which violates the law.

Please stick to discussing what's on the television show. Thank you!

[monkey's mom]

Originally Posted by eco_mama

Where does the idea come from that they have 110 helpers?

Reflections of many random people in van windows?

[Jenelle]

I have only "heard" rumors online about what goes on at the churches. Interesting that they don't ever show that on the show...? I have to agree that *if* they are still taking charity from hard-working folks who are misled by them, then that is deplorable. I just have to wonder, though, who in their right mind would be watching the show, seeing all of the travel, seeing the house, and all of the new things that have filled it up, and still think that Jon and Kate need donations? I think that there are people who are just in love with the kids, and that they will always have people who send them things such as personalized shirts, etc. that they have shown on the show. But I think going and asking for a handout is completely different.

[G's mommy]

Originally Posted by G's mommy

Okay... so I watched some of the Oprah interview, and was amazed when Kate said she is up at 5am everyday to run, and that it calmed her/soothed her or something to that effect!! Calm me negative/pessimistic, but I would like to see videotape evidence of that!! She has said in numerous episodes how she is not a morning person, and how Jon made her coffee and brought it to her in bed, just to get her out of bed in the am. I guess where there is a will, there's a way.

my original statement, so you know what i am talking about

Originally Posted by oddeebean

That scene was like, 5 seconds, many years ago. People change. Running is now a priority for her, so she gets up early to do that. I don't think there is anything more than that. I'm not a morning person either, I have to force myself to get up if I want to accomplish anything like exercise. Kate probably does the same thing.

Yes, well, I still would love to see an unglamorous video of her running and sweating, without makeup!! And, like I said also, Where there is a will, there is a way.

Originally Posted by Jenelle

Yeah, I don't "get" the comments about Kate being on the treadmill. What reason would she have to LIE about that??? It is pretty obvious that she has lost weight. And she said she does it for stress relief... I believe that. The treadmill is addictive -- once you start to feel good about exercising, it is easier to stay motivated. Vanity is a very motivating thing, for some, also. So, maybe she doesn't do it every. single. day. Maybe when she talked about the kids and the light coming through the window, she was talking about weekends? Who knows. I just can't believe the number of comments, like she is making it up or something (and some of those comments I saw on another site that I should really quit occasionally browsing). I agree with the pp who said PEOPLE CHANGE. I, for one, am constantly changing, and over the years, there have been times I had the energy and motivation to get on the treadmill... and times when I just haven't been able to do it. For whatever reason, or combination of reasons.

I think there are valid concerns about this show, and then I cannot believe some of the things that people nit-pick.

You must have read many other negative comments elsewhere to spark such a reaction to my one comment in this thread?

She does look great! And Jon has made comments about her "rabbit food" (salads) before, so I am guessing she is eating healthier AND exercising.

I agree... exercising is addictive (I personally was exercising daily about a year ago, and currently am in a slump!) and vanity and one's image can go a long way to motivate a person!!

Originally Posted by monkey's mom

I think it goes to integrity.

Jon and Kate have said and done many things that contradict themselves. I don't think it's unusual that people would start to listen more closely to see what else is being said that matches up.....or not.

I know when I've had friends reveal themselves as liars, I've certainly made it a point to listen more carefully and see if stories match. Seems like human nature.

Right, the integrity bit... when they say over and over that they do this or that, and we see in the next episode that they do not (I am being general because I am too tired to give a good example, but others have here often), it leads me to more easily doubt even the littlest things they say!

[monkey's mom]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

I just have to wonder, though, who in their right mind would be watching the show, seeing all of the travel, seeing the house, and all of the new things that have filled it up, and still think that Jon and Kate need donations?

I think that's been a big wake up call and spurred a lot of the heavy scrutiny of late. I mean, even the yard sale episode right before the move had them charging people to take photos with them (though in that particular instance the money was supposed to go to charity). There have been lots of recent comments about lack of college funds and weddings and braces and worry about Christmas presents that paint a very different picture than what is being shown. And then they mention in passing that they've let their old house sit for 3 months before even putting it on the market! That's quite a luxury. So it's all rather confusing....to me, anyway.

[Jenelle]

Oh, I'm not confused. They've got lots of money... They want more.

The part about letting the old house sit there for 3 months and then what a pain in the butt it was for her to actually have to go back and clean it out... That rubbed me the wrong way, combined with her saying something about having to pay bills at the old house and used the word "annoying". Um, hello? You had a choice not to let it sit there for 3 months! And I *totally* thought to myself in that moment, that they are so lucky to have the luxury of being able to keep that old house to keep all the "junk" in for awhile... Oh, how I have dreamt of being able to move to a new clean place and only take what I WANT to, WHEN I am ready for it. Organize as I go, etc. etc.

[Jenelle]

Originally Posted by G's mommy

You must have read many other negative comments elsewhere to spark such a reaction to my one comment in this thread?

Yes. I couldn't even tell you how many comments about it have been on this thread -- one or one hundred -- because unfortunately I have been over to the Gosselin-hater site and read comments there as well. I initially go there looking for info about a particular event -- like Oprah -- or looking for links to articles that may actually be factual regarding the recent rumors. And I just end up sitting there and mindlessly reading the comments for awhile. And what I find there lately is just plain disturbing. I cannot believe the hatred for someone they don't *really* know. At all.

Okay, that was completely off topic from the show, I know, I'm sorry, I'm trying really hard to keep it about what we actually see on the show! There is so much speculation out there, and people have speculated to the point where it is perceived as FACT, that it makes it difficult to stay focused on just the show. But I'll keep trying!

[MamaBug]

Your so right that with all the online speculation it IS hard to focus only on what we see. But even when I do that there are so many times when they say one thing and do another. I know they have alot of money, just the size of that house alone tells us all that, and 23 ACRES!!! Holy crapola! My dh would kill for that much land! But as someone said she still acts like she needs layaway for Christmas....which anyone with a brain knows she doesn't! And yes I think they do get less help bringing the kids around but the fact that there are other adults present at all times going places means that in a pinch or emergency they do have extra hands, which we have seen like when Alexis was on the climber and needed help....so to act like you are all alone and struggling to survive makes me 1) believe the online specualtion and 2) look at each thing they do and say more closely so that I for myself can piece together what I think is real.

For me the biggest issue is the way she talks to ppl. I don't really care that they lie about getting catering for lunch, or that they get free trips....she is just downright mean....there is no other way to say it. She comes across, and I may read her wrong, very ungrateful....like I said you can SAY your grateful as many times as you like but it's HOW you say something and what you do that speaks volumes to me. Saying the dog breeder was "blahblah blahing" does not sound grateful to me. :

[eco_mama]

Originally Posted by monkey's mom

Reflections of many random people in van windows?

Well that's not really hard evidence now is it?

Originally Posted by monkey's mom

I think that's been a big wake up call and spurred a lot of the heavy scrutiny of late. I mean, even the yard sale episode right before the move had them charging people to take photos with them (though in that particular instance the money was supposed to go to charity). There have been lots of recent comments about lack of college funds and weddings and braces and worry about Christmas presents that paint a very different picture than what is being shown. And then they mention in passing that they've let their old house sit for 3 months before even putting it on the market! That's quite a luxury. So it's all rather confusing....to me, anyway.

When you say this it sounds like you don't actually believe it. "It's "supposed" to go to charity " Why is that? I haven't heard them complain about paying for any of those things recently. Yes maybe in the past but as I recall in a recent episode where they answered emails for the 2nd time they were asked about "Do you think the kids will be mad about being filmed while being potty trained, etc" and she replied "I think they'll be happy to have a college education."

I agree that it would be terrible for them to continue to take donations while making tons of money off their show but I just can't see that at all. I see them giving back to charities now that they're in the position to be able to now. And in several episodes they've talked about it. "We just feel that we're so blessed and now that we're able to, we want to give back." (not exact words) I don't see them as these malicious people out to screw people out of money while making loads and loads of their own. Sorry.

[eco_mama]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

I have been over to the Gosselin-hater site and read comments there as well.

Wait a minute, you mean there's another one?!

[monkey's mom]

Of course it's not hard evidence. You asked why anyone would care or look for those things. I think that's why.

I have no idea if that money went to charity or not. Merely stating that it was "earmarked" for that.

And, really, I don't know why you'd be "sorry." You have one take on this show and I have another. Not a big deal.

[eco_mama]

And one last thing. I think we can all accept the fact that we have different views on this show. That's okay. Sometimes it's hard to wrap my head around things but I can at least accept that not everybody sees this show (family) in the same light. That's inevitable. And I think having these discussions (and debates--about what we watch on the show) are healthy and at the end perhaps one person (or the other) will actually be like, "you know what - i can actually get what you're saying" without it getting out of control. Since we're all adults here (right?) I think we should be able to control ourselves as such.

[MamaBug]

I guess I feel the same way about the money "supposed" to go to charity. You see it and you can choose to believe them or not....I don't know that I 1) believe they donated that money 2) that they paid for ANY of the toys they "bought" at Kmart to bring to St Judes, considering she is a Kmart mouthpiece....or 3) any other thing they say. That is the beauty of life...we all see things differently. I see them through a different lens they you may, and that is great....I am a bit of a pessimist so that may have something to do with why it is hard at this point for me to believe anything they say....based on how they act... I don't think someone with a different view is wrong, it's just not my view.

[MamaBug]

Originally Posted by eco_mama

And one last thing. I think we can all accept the fact that we have different views on this show. That's okay. Sometimes it's hard to wrap my head around things but I can at least accept that not everybody sees this show (family) in the same light. That's inevitable. And I think having these discussions (and debates--about what we watch on the show) are healthy and at the end perhaps one person (or the other) will actually be like, "you know what - i can actually get what you're saying" without it getting out of control. Since we're all adults here (right?) I think we should be able to control ourselves as such.

ITA, there have been many times when someone posted the opposite of what I thought but I was able to say...hey you may be right.

[2cutiekitties]

Originally Posted by Jenelle

I haven't necessarily noticed the "bodyguard", but yeah, I have noticed a guy in the background on some shots here and there. Watched an episode the other day where a guy had his face blurred out in the background a lot. But it has never bothered me... As many people out there who have hateful feelings toward Kate Gosselin, I'm sure they do need a bodyguard. There are some real whack jobs out there!

That was him! I noticed him in a photo (okay, he is a total hottie) of her at a book signing and now I see him everywhere in the show. He has been there since at least the Utah trip (sat behind kate) and he was blurred when they went to St. Judes. It didnt bother me until I really started noticing how involved he was with the kids. He is like another parent yet they dont acknowledge him AT ALL.

I dont fault them for needing a bodyguard, but they were still nobodys in Utah, so it doesnt make sense to have him for so long, and it makes them very very unrelatable. Memorial Day when they ate ice cream for dinner, the bodyguard is there to keep people from going near them. Um, soooo relatable!!

I even deleted everything I had on dvr that is how much I dont relate. The big test is if I keep watching on Mon nights ......