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post #41 of 68
For the first time ever, I carried my son into a store last week in his bucket seat. It was pouring rain and I just had to run in for a second. I really didn't want to get soaked taking him out of his seat and putting him in the Ergo just so I could run into the store to get one item really quick. So I closed the bonnet thing and grabbed the seat and quickly got inside. I sat him on the floor next to me while I picked out what I needed. And you know what? All I could think about the whole time was that some MDC mama would see me and think what a horrible mother I was and wonder why I didn't use a sling and worry that my poor baby spent most of his life in baby containers.
post #42 of 68
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Originally Posted by tinyactsofcharity View Post
THEN while I was still there, I saw a preschooler grab onto their parents cart, while it was holding the baby seat, and the weight FLIPPED THE CART. Traumatizing, much?!?!

: GASP! That is SO scary. My God. (Not being snarky! Sincere!)
post #43 of 68
The one time I've taken my baby in the bucket into the store was the day he was discharged from the hospital after being admitted for 3 days with cellulitis. I just needed to get his meds from the pharmacy and it was cold and windy and rainy outside. I put the seat inside the basket of the cart, not where most people put it. But if it's not extenuating circumstances I will always sling or carry the baby everywhere.
post #44 of 68
OP.... I totally agree with you. While I am a bucket user (albeit not for long.... my ds1 was out of his at 5 mos and I think ds2 is close) I see lots of abuse of them.

For instance... when we go to church, we carry the seat into church then leave it in the cloak room and sling/wrap/hold during the service. I've seen at least 3 other buckets with awake babes right there in the pews, even one mama who bf's during the service then puts her ds right back into the bucket. It bothers me because really church is for reconnection, listening, singing, etc. all of which can be done with no or one hand. I can even hand babe over to go sing with the choir and come back, no bucket necessary. I've never heard of a church where NOBODY will hold a baby when asked (maybe this is different in other cultures or religions? I'm a Lutheran... we can't get enough of babies).

Again, some high chairs are not meant to be flipped. Another situation where we put bucket next to us, hold babe (like other pp's mentioned), change/feed babe, put back in seat to travel to car. I love not having to fuss with the sling/wrap/snowsuit/layers/etc. issue... just blankets over baby and a hat on and in you go! No worries about clothes causing compression issues with belts either.

WIC... so sad where we are... took both my LO's in for the first time and the nurse wanted me to put baby down so she could weigh me, but there was nowhere safe (and it was a nice day so I left the bucket in the car) so I suggested she hold him while I stepped on the scale and she looked taken aback. I asked what they usually do in that situation and she said that everyone uses the carseat carrier so they've never worried about it. Now our WIC office is in the middle of a huge building in the middle of a big complex of buildings and I'm not about to lug that stupid seat or the double stroller (if ds2 gets strolled ds1 wants to be, too) through that whole place.

I do see lots of precariously perched seats and had my own scare with an overzealous toddler, too. I think the key is more education out there... starting with places like WIC and PSA's to let people know it is NOT safe to perch buckets on shopping carts and highchairs not designed for that.

A bigger concern to me is the LARGE number of babies I see in obviously expired seats or ones that are clearly no longer within current safety guidelines, not strapped in tight enough, riding around with handles up if seat is not designed for that, babies that are too big for their bucket still in them, items like swing frames to click the seat into so when you get home your baby can just stay in the seat forever...

ETA: As a PP mentioned, in icy/snowy/wet weather I always make sure baby is safely belted in carseat to get to and from the car. I had a hard fall on concrete (causing an ER visit and am still healing) about a month ago and can only imagine what would have happened if the baby was in my arms or wrapped to me. He was in the carseat, landed safely face up on the ground and was completely unfazed.
post #45 of 68
That's the only way I've seen moms carry their babies here. Once in a blue moon, you'll see a baby being held, or even more rarely, you'll see a sling or wrap... But usually its a bucket on the cart, on the stroller, on the upturned high chair (I'm a server, I see this EVERY single day).
post #46 of 68
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Originally Posted by tinyactsofcharity View Post
I added some clarification to my first post as many seemed to think that this was an attack, which it wasn't. I see very unhappy babies strapped into car seats in unsafe situations all the time in my area. It is horrible and makes me not want to go anywhere that I might encounter a baby sometimes.

Well, yeah, there's a big difference between a happily sleeping baby or happily awake baby in a bucket and a wailing baby in a bucket. Sadly, the people who leave their wailing baby in the bucket seat are probably not going to be a real GD type parent when the baby is out of the bucket either. So, the issue really isn't the bucket seat.


I took my DS lots of places in his bucket for the first four months of his life, then he outgrew it! I used the highchairs that are designed to hold the bucket in restaurants, I put his bucket in the grocery cart occasionally, I used it as a baby seat at people's homes. It worked great! Of course, if he was ever Un happy in the seat, I took him out and fed him, held him, etc. My DS happened to really like his infant carrier and if he wanted to stay in there, I let him!
post #47 of 68
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Originally Posted by skolbut View Post
For instance... when we go to church, we carry the seat into church then leave it in the cloak room and sling/wrap/hold during the service. I've seen at least 3 other buckets with awake babes right there in the pews, even one mama who bf's during the service then puts her ds right back into the bucket. It bothers me because really church is for reconnection, listening, singing, etc. all of which can be done with no or one hand. I can even hand babe over to go sing with the choir and come back, no bucket necessary. I've never heard of a church where NOBODY will hold a baby when asked (maybe this is different in other cultures or religions? I'm a Lutheran... we can't get enough of babies).
I am a babywearer. I love it. But I also have used the bucket in other situations outside of the car.
I keep coming back to this part of your post because obviously there are many times when a bucket is overused. But how do you know that that mama at church does not hold her child ALL week long and that for her to get what she needs from the service it is better for HER to put him down? We can't and don't know what people do the other 99% of the time. Yes, we have a society that overuses lots of things but can we all just give each other a break already. Threads like this are why riverscout (and I have been there too) were saying that on the one day you do something *gasp horrible* like not slinging your baby - you feel a little ashamed. It's just ridiculous.
post #48 of 68
We live on the North Dakota/Minnesota border. My son was born in September. Therefore he spent his infant months in the frozen tundra, where it is totally normal to have days with wey below zero wind chills, where one can hardly breathe. Rarely did I bring him out, only when absolutely necessary. When I did, I carried the bucket inside wherever I was going, because it was quite simply too cold to take him out. I didn't have him in a heavy snowsuit, due to car seat safety recommendations, so the car seat, with blankets over him was the fastest and WARMEST way to get him inside XYZ location. Once inside, if he was sleeping, we let the sleeping baby sleep where he was. If he was awake, well, he had a mommy, daddy or big sister just aching to hold him as much as they could, so he was often taken out. Never EVER did I just leave my baby to cry in the bucket. Most of the time if he was awake and in the bucket, his sister would walk alongside the cart and talk to him.
post #49 of 68
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Originally Posted by skolbut View Post
so I suggested she hold him while I stepped on the scale and she looked taken aback. I asked what they usually do in that situation and she said that everyone uses the carseat carrier so they've never worried about it.

A bigger concern to me is the LARGE number of babies I see in obviously expired seats or ones that are clearly no longer within current safety guidelines, not strapped in tight enough, riding around with handles up if seat is not designed for that, babies that are too big for their bucket still in them, items like swing frames to click the seat into so when you get home your baby can just stay in the seat forever...

ETA: As a PP mentioned, in icy/snowy/wet weather I always make sure baby is safely belted in carseat to get to and from the car. I had a hard fall on concrete (causing an ER visit and am still healing) about a month ago and can only imagine what would have happened if the baby was in my arms or wrapped to me. He was in the carseat, landed safely face up on the ground and was completely unfazed.
The scary part is the lady at WIC probably really meant the word everyone....

I had the same issue at my PP follow-up... the nurse cam in and said her is a blankets so you can put the baby down (on the floor- okay not a huge deal but....) I was like oh- I guess I could do that. Then the midwife came into the room and was like, "no, just put her on your belly" as though I had thought I needed to leave baby on the floor- when really her staff recommended it.....

and yeah to the rest of that ;-)

I mean I don't use the bucket anymore- we got our Truefit a few weeks ago- however we would take it out and bring it with us from time to time... But to be honest- I just love holding my DD and being a WOHM- I don't have nearly enough time to hold her! So she never ends up in the seat long ....
post #50 of 68
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Originally Posted by Justthatgirl View Post
How old is she? I found it's not too bad until they get a little older (10 mos and up) and are reaching for the salt shaker, the sugar caddy, my cup, dh's cup, the older sibs cups, yanking straws out of those cups, winging wet straws around, wielding forks as though he is on a mission to slay the lettuce in my salad, feeding us animal crackers (how sweet! he wants to share) that he just dipped in the salsa (gag), and popping his head over the booths behind us and yelling, "AAAHHH!" (The folks in both booths laughed! )
She's almost 5 months. She's already at the point where if we don't watch her like a hawk she grabs butter knives and tries to poke my husband's eyes out. She did that Tuesday while I was yelling at DH that no she cannot hold hold a knife, even if he doesn't' understand why. Now he understands
post #51 of 68
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Originally Posted by Crystal_R View Post
She's almost 5 months. She's already at the point where if we don't watch her like a hawk she grabs butter knives and tries to poke my husband's eyes out. She did that Tuesday while I was yelling at DH that no she cannot hold hold a knife, even if he doesn't' understand why. Now he understands
post #52 of 68
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Originally Posted by amlikam View Post
The scary part is the lady at WIC probably really meant the word everyone....
So... I don't understand why this is "scary" ... Taking a baby somewhere where you know it is going to be easiest for everyone involved for you to have a means of being baby-free even for a brief time, it seems completely logical to me to take the bucket. If your baby isn't in a bucket, then a stroller.

*Personally* I don't want to rely on others to help with my baby. It's not that I care if others hold one from a germs or whatever standpoint... I just don't like to impose. I don't automatically assume that everyone loves babies, not even my babies, which happen to be really, really, really fat and squeezable.

I have a twin stroller, but it's kind of like a winnebego (it's the Inglesina twin domino - it's seriously HUGE). It's also a pain to get in and out of the car. So in crappy weather especially I tend to wear one baby and stick the other in a single stroller (which is way easier to get in and out of the car) I have on occasion worn one and carried the other in the interest of time - running late for a pedi appt. for example - and that was a HUGE mistake. I had to have a nurse come in just to help hold babies - and while she was happy enough to do so, I could tell the nurse who had her come in thought I was being a total pain in the ass. I have an annual gyn. appt. coming up and I need to get a side by side stroller for that since no way can my front-to-back work in a doctor's office and wearing one ain't going to cut it for a pap smear. Just does not seem like a good idea.

I'm not sure why having the bucket at WIC - if you know you're going to get weighed - is "scary." Yeah, some of those women, maybe they neglect their babies. But a lot of them, they're probably just using common sense.
post #53 of 68
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Originally Posted by tinyactsofcharity View Post
Why not just buy a sling? Ring slings and pouches are quite easy to use.

I just don't get it... it is a CAR seat. Meant to restrain a baby in the CAR.

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When you have more than one child, you may find that in certain situations, having a secure place for your sleeping baby, while you attend to another child, is very helpful.

I have MANY slings and other baby carriers.
And while on MOST occasions I carried my baby in one of the slings, there were some times when it was more convenient to bring him in his carseat. Like when DS was sleeping, and I needed to take DD somewhere, and I didn't want to wake him.

And DD, who NEVER slept, and would NEVER be put down, the bucket carrier was one of the ONLY places I could GET her to sleep - by boucning it up & down while doing sqats while the dryer was on & loud music & shower was running. So in my experience ... the carrier has some great uses outside of the car.

Now, an awake child, yes, I would say almost without fail, I'd bring my children out of the car in a sling or carrier of some kind. Because I'd end up taking them out of the carseat in the store anyhow - neither of them liked to be in the carseat.

And also both of my children outgrew their bucket carrier by the time they were 4 months (very tall)... but there were definitely times when I missed having it - particularly the sleeping thing. It was really convenient to put the baby over one arm, carrying groceries, and toddler in my other hip, while I came in from the car - all in one trip. We live in a condo, so don't have a nice secure driveway or garage - have to cross a parking lot. So having everyone in one trip, without waking the baby, was helpful.

Really, your post is pretty harsh, particularly coming from a place of one child. But even with one child, can you not ever see the usefulness of a baby carrier with a handle in certain circumstances? Also, regarding the screaming babies in the stores. Yes, if an infant is screaming in a seat, and blatently being ignored, that's one thing. But if an infant is in a seat, and mom has her hands full with another child, groceries, trying to get jackets on, or running after a todder, maybe baby can't be attended to just then. Or SOMETIMES babies just scream. Not necessarily because they've been in a bucket seat all day but because they scream. They would scream in an ergo, a sling, in arms. My daughter spent MOST of her first year SCREAMING. She was colicky until around 10 months, and fussy for months thereafter. She's always been high needs, and screamed most of the time she was awake. Whether we were singing, bouncing, moving, standing still, talking, or crying along. So sometimes, we still had to go about life - lilke working - with my screaming infant in her snugli as I operated a computer on the shipping line in the warehouse, while at the same time bouncing & singing. Or sometimes I was grocery shopping when she'd start screaming - and we lived 45 minutes from the nearest shopping center when she was an infant, so leaving & coming back another time wasn't the best option (considering she screamed the whole way in the car too).

I guess all I'm saying is sometimes there's MORE than what you just see on the surface.
post #54 of 68
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Originally Posted by Ks Mama View Post

And DD, who NEVER slept, and would NEVER be put down, the bucket carrier was one of the ONLY places I could GET her to sleep - by boucning it up & down while doing sqats while the dryer was on & loud music & shower was running. So in my experience ... the carrier has some great uses outside of the car.
This was my son. The ONLY place he slept was that bucket seat. We tried everything. In bed with us, a co-sleeper, Amby baby bed, crib, etc. Nothing except that infant seat allowed him to sleep for more than 30 minutes at a stretch. During the day I'd hold him, all day. Every day. At night we used the infant seat, next to our bed, and he slept. Blissfully slept. I know it's not ideal and maybe even dangerous, but it seriously saved our lives.

At around 10 months of age he started sleeping better in bed with us and we retired that infant seat. But it was well used. I'll never knock it.
post #55 of 68
haven't read the whole thread, but with my first 2 I did the 'seat on top of the cart' thing and now looking back can't believe I thought that was even remotely safe Didn't get into slinging/AP till my 4th and while I did use the sling alot, for grocery shopping, I'd put the whole car seat in the back of the cart. Was a pain because i'd have to use 2 carts but easier than slinging her the whole time (it takes me a long time to grocery shop lol) Just depended on where we were going whether or not I left the baby in the car seat. At home they weren't in the car seat so it didn't cross my mind that they were in it too long honestly
post #56 of 68
Thread Starter 
I didn't mean to be harsh. I just hate seeing so many screaming wailing infants in car seats. I realize that these babies probably don't spend all their time in car seats or have siblings that need attention but MANY times, it is one parent with one baby in a bucket and the baby is just wailing. It is very prevalent around here to hear "don't pick that baby up- you'll spoil him." I feel like that is what is going on a lot of the time.

Also, the car seats belong in cars comment is just because I feel like car seats perform most safely if they are installed in the car and not compromised by bumps and jostling when removed. How are we to know how a big bump could affect the integrity of the plastic?

The falls that I've seen have been really horrible. I am not anti-easy. I'm not about making my life hard or trying to make other people make their lives hard. I'm don't really care if people make the PARENTING decision to let a HAPPY baby sleep or play in a bucket. I let my kid nap in the car. What I am upset about is the SAFETY issue of buckets being droped, bumped, jostled, and falling and the trauma of seeing sad, wailing infants in buckets everywhere.

I really swear this is not an attack on any of you. I realize that with a toddler and a baby or in a bitter winter or scorching summer or with a baby that doesn't nap well or in myriad circumstances buckets are probably very handy. I have just seen some horrible things around here that I just don't understand.
post #57 of 68
I don't like seeing screaming babies either. I see it way too often and I just want to yell "pick up the baby already!!!!' It's frustrating (hugs)
post #58 of 68
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Originally Posted by skolbut View Post
A bigger concern to me is the LARGE number of babies I see in obviously expired seats or ones that are clearly no longer within current safety guidelines, not strapped in tight enough, riding around with handles up if seat is not designed for that, babies that are too big for their bucket still in them, items like swing frames to click the seat into so when you get home your baby can just stay in the seat forever...
I am sure there are times when you see the infant come out of the car in the seat and the sentiment is totally justified (I'd share it too), but I just wanted to say my plan is to buy a super-cheap bucket secondhand just for use in restaurants and perhaps grocery shopping - we already have our desired car seat. Sometimes there is a reason for everything.
post #59 of 68
Bucket seats are so standard here that when DD was 4-5 months old I had 3 different people on 3 different occassions ask me "But what does she ride in in the car?" when they saw her in a sling : Obviously, my little one rode in a carseat - a bucket seat no less. But the idea that I had a carseat and left it *gasp* in the car was just completely unfathomable.

DD was tiny. The carseat was big, heavy, and awkward (I'm only 4ft 10in). DD was one of those babies that cried at red lights and stop signs. She also nursed at least once an hour. Slinging (and nursing in a sling while walking around running errands) wasn't a statement about my parenting philosophy, it was a necessity. She would happily hang out in the sling all day long. People stopped me to tell me how quiet and happy she was. She wasn't an easy going baby, but being against my body with immediate access to the breast kept her content.

Once, DD fell asleep in the car on the way home. It was late enough that we thought she might sleep for a couple of hours, so DH carried her inside in the carseat. He and I were hoping for some time alone together. She woke up within a minute of the carseat being placed on the ground.
post #60 of 68
I looooved the bucket seat. I probably would have used it longer than I did if I could have! I have a shoulder injury (and recently discovered, fibromyalgia) and no matter how hard I tried, using a sling just didn't work for more than 5 minutes. So I got a snap n go and kept him in the seat. Sure, if he cried I'd take him out- but I would have to sit down and hold him and couldn't be mobile. So if he fussed, I'd just try to lull him to sleep in the car. I did the flipped over chair thing, and the clip-into-cart thing, etc etc. and I was so glad to have it. I needed some time without baby clawing at my skin all the time, and I would probably do things the same way if I were ever to have another.

I had a stock of over $400 of slings, wraps, and carriers. I still used the carseat the most. And he didn't seem to mind.
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