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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Here is my story, and why I will reccomend no one get thier child circ'd.

When we had my son, we had talked alot about getting him circumcised. I didnt want to, my husband did. I said I didnt want them cutting on my newborn, he said he wanted him to look like his daddy, and that the "girls" would like it better when he was older. I thought I could win this battle, until my 61 year old father had to get circumcised. He found it terrible, he had alot of bleeding, and just made his case on why our baby needed it done as a newborn, rather than going thru it later in life for medical reasons. So he had me. If it was something that was going to better for him in the long run, I'd do it. So the day came and the nurse came in and said "Is he gonna be circ'd?" and I said no, and hubby said "yes." and he signed the form. I noticed after he was about 2 months that there were a couple of spots that didnt seem right. Our pedi had told me not to touch it, leave it alone, and had me out cream on it for 2 months. Yesterday, we went to a urinologist, and 60% of it had readheared onto the head. Its odd to explain, but regardless he has to have surgery to fix it. I am furious, and freaking out that they are going to out him to sleep to fix something I thought was needless to begin with. If he doesnt get it fixed, it will cause pain when he gets erections and will look deformed. Anyone else who has a son, I will tell my story, and hopefully, they will not get thier child circ'd. I made a mistake, i should have went with my instinct, and feel horribly guilty for putting my son thru pain. The best I can do is tell my story, and hope it leads others not to make the same decision. Do your research, be informed, and then make your decision. Know your pros and cons. Know that he will be normal if he is not whacked on. And above all, dont listen to other men.
post #2 of 23
Thanks for sharing your story.
post #3 of 23
I am so sorry for the anguish you are going through.

Can your son urinate properly and without any issue? If so, this is not an emergency situation and you have time to do the necessary research and get second and third and fourth opinions.

In the normal anatomy of the penis at birth, the foreskin is connected to the head of the penis (the glans) and it does not seperate in infancy often - this happens later. Think of the connection of your fingernails to the finger. This connection is seperated and the foreskin is removed during a circumcision. Doctors are often doing circumcision looser these days because they began to understand that they were removing so much skin that it caused problems for the man as an adult because there was not enough remaining skin to accomodate his erect penis. With these looser circs, there is more foreskin left. This foreskin often re-attaches to the glans of the penis - returning to the natural state that it was. If the re-attached foreskin is on the circumcision scar, it can cause future problems. If it is re-adhearred to the glans of the penis, chances are that it will seperate on it's own, just as if he was intact.

I would seek a second opinion from a foreskin friendly doctor. We can give you a list of them. I have to run and take care of little ones right now. Someone will probably be along to give you more info.
post #4 of 23
OK first off I am so sorry your ds was circed

The main issue here is the surgery to fix where it has grown back. This is NOT something that needs to be fixed right now 99% of the time it will release on its own as it would have had he never been circed. Please do more research before you have your ds put under GA and possibly cause more damage.

The Dr. will cut more skin off to fix this and when he does there is a very high chance your ds will end up with not enough skin when he is an adult. If he can urinate with no issues then he dosnt need more surgery.

Please dont go through with that surgery right now research, wait see what happens down the road. He is way to young to know if that skin will form true adhesions or if it is just healed back and will release on its own.

Some Links you need to read:
Adhesions: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Adheasions: http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/adhesions.htm

Adhesions: http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/ponsky2/

Adhesions: http://www.kidsgrowth.com/resources/...il.cfm?id=3420

Adhesions: http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_d...NC&sub_cat=474

Adhesions: http://www.henryfordhealth.org/19160.cfm

Adhesions: http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html

Adhesions: http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/persad/
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bearsmomma View Post
And above all, dont listen to other men.

Why? If you think men are the only ones who carry bad information about the penis then your VERY mistaken.

I think males can provide a very unique perspective on this issue, (sometimes in ways women simply can not)

There are many circed and not circed men out there who stand against circ, and stand for proper health advice.

Instead of "above all else dont listen to men" your "above all" should be "dont take one person's story as all the medical advice you need to decide a situation like this."

Boys should have the right to control their own bodies, just like everyone else would want. Thats the advice people should follow. Who cares about gender lines?
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
I meant "Dont listen to men" as a joke, perhaps I should have worded it better to get my sarcasm across. Dont disect what I say to get onto me.
There is no need to get high and mighty with me about a comment. I am new to these boards. Dont be rude over a lame joke.
Thank you ladies for the information. I will definatly look into a second or third opinon and do some research.
post #7 of 23
Just an FYI, my DSS had his done EXTRA tight as to avoid re-adhering. Yeah, he can barely stand it if his penis gets a SMIDGE erect, it pulls and burns and itches. He is in the bathroom all the time pulling at it, the scar is HORRIBLE.

So making it even tighter with even less skin may not be a good idea.

Why when you said "no" to the circ, did the nurse allow it to be done with only one parents consent? That is wrong.

I'm sorry for your son and for you.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bearsmomma View Post
I meant "Dont listen to men" as a joke, perhaps I should have worded it better to get my sarcasm across. Dont disect what I say to get onto me.
There is no need to get high and mighty with me about a comment. I am new to these boards. Dont be rude over a lame joke.
Thank you ladies for the information. I will definatly look into a second or third opinon and do some research.
Sorry about that. Online you cant really express tones in speech and when you just wrote a very serious story about a horrible event and the lessons you gained from it, the last thing that I assumed was the last line to be taken as a joke when everything else was not.


Its good to see you do not have that mindset. But welcome to the boards, and I am sorry for my confusion.
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
Its not so much readheared, he had a different word for it. It looks painful as it is, there are 2 tight places, where it has stuck to the head, and if he got an erection as is, I dont see how it wouldnt pop, tho it hasnt when he's had one yet. I mean, the way he explained and showed us, it seemed like he knew what he was talking about. (however, I am still going to find a 2nd opinion, we arent scheduled until the 20th.) 60 % of it is screwed up, and he said that if we waited till he was older, it would start to look deformed, and he said sooner rather than later it would become to uncomfortable when he'd have erections that he'd be in obvious need. He told us to think of cutting your hand, and if you held that hand on the other hand, it would heal together. well, he said that is what happened with his circ, the part that needed to heal stuck and grew onto a place its not supposed to. i told him our pedi had told us specifically, because I asked, that we werent supposed to pull the extra skin down after it was done. She said not to touch it, to just put vasaline on it and let it heal. (ive never delt with this before, so I listened) yesterday, I asked him if it could have been avoided and he said yes, if we had pulled on the skin. I just feel terrible about it.
As for when the nurse asked, when I said no, she looked at my husband, and he said yes, she walked over to him and let him do it. As he was signing, she asked if it was okay, and I nodded, so she wasnt at fault. And we had agreed on it, I was just trying to get in one last attempt. Never again, I will always go with my gut. its just hard, when your and the other parent disagree on your childs care. In this instance, I had my dad telling my his story, hubby wanting it done, and all of our friends sons had it done with no troubles, so I had so much positive info that I went with it. I honestly never delt with the issue to know there could be problems. Unfortunatly, all i can say from this is that i have learned alot about circumcisions, and will not have it done to future children.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bearsmomma View Post
Its not so much readheared, he had a different word for it. It looks painful as it is, there are 2 tight places, where it has stuck to the head, and if he got an erection as is, I dont see how it wouldnt pop, tho it hasnt when he's had one yet. I mean, the way he explained and showed us, it seemed like he knew what he was talking about. (however, I am still going to find a 2nd opinion, we arent scheduled until the 20th.) 60 % of it is screwed up, and he said that if we waited till he was older, it would start to look deformed, and he said sooner rather than later it would become to uncomfortable when he'd have erections that he'd be in obvious need. He told us to think of cutting your hand, and if you held that hand on the other hand, it would heal together. well, he said that is what happened with his circ, the part that needed to heal stuck and grew onto a place its not supposed to. i told him our pedi had told us specifically, because I asked, that we werent supposed to pull the extra skin down after it was done. She said not to touch it, to just put vasaline on it and let it heal. (ive never delt with this before, so I listened) yesterday, I asked him if it could have been avoided and he said yes, if we had pulled on the skin. I just feel terrible about it.
As for when the nurse asked, when I said no, she looked at my husband, and he said yes, she walked over to him and let him do it. As he was signing, she asked if it was okay, and I nodded, so she wasnt at fault. And we had agreed on it, I was just trying to get in one last attempt. Never again, I will always go with my gut. its just hard, when your and the other parent disagree on your childs care. In this instance, I had my dad telling my his story, hubby wanting it done, and all of our friends sons had it done with no troubles, so I had so much positive info that I went with it. I honestly never delt with the issue to know there could be problems. Unfortunatly, all i can say from this is that i have learned alot about circumcisions, and will not have it done to future children.

I'm so so so sorry for you. It's a hard decision and your not the only momma who has had this happen.

My DF is intact and I told him if he even thought about it, I would bar him from the birth. LOL He knew I was SERIOUS. He also circed his son BTW and regrets it everyday.
post #11 of 23
I'm really curious about the medical reason for your father's circumcision at a late age? I have never heard of anything like that. Do you mind sharing?

I'm really sorry to hear about your story. FWIW, something similar happened with my cousin's son. The doctor sort of botched the circumcision and her son needed to have surgery at six months of age to "correct" it. She was so upset.

I have another late-in-life circumcision story that I find rather fascinating, as well. A friend of my father's was intact, but his second wife, when they got married, insisted that he get circumcised because she hates the way an intact penis looks and thinks it is "dirty." (I know, ridiculous.) So the man actually relented and got circumcised for her. He has regretted it everyday and said that the difference in the way sex feels is enormous. He has lost a huge amount of sensation. Sad, huh?
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by sakartvelogirl View Post
Sad, huh?
Yes, very. I'm not sure I could stay married to someone under those conditions.
post #13 of 23
So sorry for everything you and your LO are going through. I couldn't read this and not post a .
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by sakartvelogirl View Post
I'm really curious about the medical reason for your father's circumcision at a late age? I have never heard of anything like that. Do you mind sharing?

I'm really sorry to hear about your story. FWIW, something similar happened with my cousin's son. The doctor sort of botched the circumcision and her son needed to have surgery at six months of age to "correct" it. She was so upset.

I have another late-in-life circumcision story that I find rather fascinating, as well. A friend of my father's was intact, but his second wife, when they got married, insisted that he get circumcised because she hates the way an intact penis looks and thinks it is "dirty." (I know, ridiculous.) So the man actually relented and got circumcised for her. He has regretted it everyday and said that the difference in the way sex feels is enormous. He has lost a huge amount of sensation. Sad, huh?
I think intact men who get that "pressure" from an ignorant woman should respond with "Ok, I will get circumcised, if you get rid of all those outer folds of skin on your genitals. I think they look weird, and smell funny."
Let see how quickly she quiets up.

I cant believe couples in those situations do not realize how selfish, disrespectful, and down right disgusting those women are acting.

Any man would get a slap in the face he went up to his female partner and said "honey, your pretty flat chested, and thats a big turn off for me. How bout a boob job?"
post #15 of 23
Thank you for sharing this. We found out we are having a boy and luckily both of us have agreed to leave him intact. But sometimes the devil sits on one of my shoulders and I start to think differently. Reading your story, and many stories like it, only reconfirms my belief that we are making the right choice.
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
Dad is a bad diabetic, and has other health issues, and from what he and mom told me, he had to get it done because he was getting infections (or something along those lines). Thats about all the details I got before i decided I didnt want to know anything else about my fathers penis. But it wasnt done for aesthetics or anything, it was done for medical reasons. Sorry I dont know the exact reasons, but Im interestred enough now to pry and find out. I'll see if I can get ahold of them this weekend and find out exacts.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Bearsmomma View Post
Dad is a bad diabetic, and has other health issues, and from what he and mom told me, he had to get it done because he was getting infections (or something along those lines). Thats about all the details I got before i decided I didnt want to know anything else about my fathers penis. But it wasnt done for aesthetics or anything, it was done for medical reasons. Sorry I dont know the exact reasons, but Im interestred enough now to pry and find out. I'll see if I can get ahold of them this weekend and find out exacts.
Just for the record, if your dad was giving wrong care instraction such as too agressive/often washing, washing with anti-bacterial soaps, etc this very well could be the CAUSE of his infections. Just like in women's vagina, if you doushe often in there, washing out a good bacteria, the balance gets affected and a bad bacteria (usually yeast) takes over.

I'm very sorry about your little one, mama (HUGS)
post #18 of 23
I'm originally from Russia, a country that (like most of the world) does not practice genital mutilation on either gender. So, of course, all my boyfriends, my first husband, brother, father, etc are intact. I honestly never heard of a guy having a problem down there (not including STDs, of course). I had time when I was constantly battling with yeast down there and I was SO jealous that the guys just don't have to deal with this crap (at least so I thought till I came to the US at the age of 26)...

My father's wife told me once that when she was pregnant she wanted to have a boy because of a single reason that they don't have all those problems down there (like women do...I bet she meant yeast). She had a girl, by the way.

Intactness is NORMAL in both genders, it most definitely does NOT cause infections.
post #19 of 23
Bearsmomma, my guess is that your DF got some really bad advice and did not need to be circumcised at all.

I can't think of one other part of our anatomy that the doctors readily amputate for an infection - kind of ludicrous. Like a PP said , his infections were most likely due to over agressive cleaning and destroying the good bacteria.

I, too, would be interested in the real reason, especialy as it is stories such as this that push people over the line as you described it had done for you.

Hugs to you, and keep on educating others - it really does help.
post #20 of 23
Bearsmama,

Before any type of action, and definitely before any type of cutting, you need to find out if this is a regular adhesion reconnecting the inner foreskin surface to the glans, or a "skin bridge" where the wound site is connecting to the glans. See a previous post I wrote about the difference and my experience with it here.
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