Vaccine-induced diseases - Page 13

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

Don't make it hard for you to analyze that if you put a tablespoon of sugar in a glass of water, the water will taste sweet. Of course it will taste sweeter the moment you add more sugar in it.

Inactivated microorganisms are so designed to mitigate SYMPTOMS of a disease. How many times will I tell you that even though they are dead or inactivated, they are still IMMUNOGENIC causing an immune response and that immune response resulted to development of genital warts. Why genital warts? Because the vaccine contains the man-made HPV strains that cause the genital warts. Easy-peasy.

And warts on hands, feet, and faces. If you only look for evidence that supports you claim, you will only find evidence to support your claim.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

My singular point here, is that declaring the entire medical community enablers in a conspiracy to keep its citizenry sick is simply over the top. Dangle the carrot... Make people think... But you must stop there, otherwise you are engaging in an act of futility that the opposition will rejoice over on a continual basis and make the entire movement of people demanding choice out to be nutters. In the end, it doesn't serve the cause of Informed Consent.

This stood out for me. While I chose not to vax, I do not feel comfortable assuming that those who do choose to vax are just uninformed. It is far too complex. I kind of get Th1Th2's ideas at a strech, but that requires a radical shift in defintion and understanding of health and disease for me. I personally do not think such a radical shift is required to be critical of vaccination.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I kind of get Th1Th2's ideas at a strech, but that requires a radical shift in defintion and understanding of health and disease for me. I personally do not think such a radical shift is required to be critical of vaccination.

FWIW, I agree, if you embrace a different paradigm of disease the idea of vaccination is ludicrous. Without that "radical" viewpoint, criticism of vaccine largely rests on a benefit vs risk analysis. So for those, it is perfectly reasonable to choose vaccination after research.

[anewmama]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

I can see that you are a very passionate person and there are many people that share your philosophy. Sensationalising the effects of vaccines really serves no tangible cause that I'm able to see at the moment, instead, it makes you appear a bit alarmist. Your definition of vaccination is not the mainstream view (opinions aside), and I realise that you are effectively applying the ipso facto good-for-the-goose-good-for-the-gander tactic here but why not direct folks somewhere that reinforces your viewpoint? With either medical history, or conventional animal studies to support your assertions?

I don't think it's disputed that animals undergo varying degrees of anaphylaxis after the injection of organic substances, this was demonstrated almost a hundred years ago in canines. I also understand that we are trying to produce memory to a disease that is found in nature, and it has been achieved by artificially reconstructing it (virulent or not) and this carries the risk the host reacting unfavorably (we'd have to go back more than 200 years to effectively map the route of dissent). Immunological memory does not necessarily mean a person has been served the disease... they've been offered a taste, if you will, that will allow them to recognise future exposure. I have to believe, even in my foul mood these days, that there is inherent good in the program and that people are inherently good (ie. not deliberately poisoning people)... otherwise I'm left with more cynicism than I think my brain can process, and frankly, life's too short for that.

Every for-profit system is ripe for corruption, I think the better question, is whether or not it can be handled effectively and restore faith in the program. Time will tell.

Nice post.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

And warts on hands, feet, and faces. If you only look for evidence that supports you claim, you will only find evidence to support your claim.

It means Gardasil has created more damage and that calls for another vaccine for strains not previously covered. Aren't you getting tired of this same story over and over?

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