Originally Posted by mrizzo
Well since this is the case- I am dropping from this bead swap and MDC. I am sorry but what makes someone with 1500 posts any MORE trusted with "possibly hundreds of dollars worth of beads" ? Someone stepped up- created a yahoo group- and offered to coordinate everything. I am not going to be apart of a group that is going to be so... well I won't name call. I loved this board- but seeing this happen disgusts me. I'm sorry hartfelt- this shouldn't have happened to you.
I'm not quite sure what your issue is?
Or what "disgusts" you? Someone (me, the OP) had already "stepped up... and offered to coordinate everything." and was waiting for everyone to make it solidly into the second trimester to set up the yahoo group as had been posted in the first few posts of the thread. Hartfelt being a newbie (nothing wrong with that, we were all new at one time...) and trying to help out and get the show on the road started a yahoo group. I am absolutely positively sure she did it with the purest of intentions.
There were some concerns raised both in threads on the DDC and in PMs about her running it since she has been here a month and at the time had 15 posts. The bead swap was already being handled. Never, either in PMs or onlist did anyone ever say anything negative about hartfelt. Personally, I found her delightful and lovely, and if anyone has anything mean to say about her, they will have to go through me!. If you have been around any boards with BSOT, swaps or coops, you know that is a classic scammers MO is to join hang out a little and then sell a high ticket item and not follow through on their end. (And many variations on the theme) 99% of the time it is an honest newbie mama who just doesn't have feedback yet (and hartfelt mama, I'm sure falls into that category...if you have read my posts in this and the other thread you will see I repeat that quite a bit), but the pattern has been repeated enough and people have been burned enough, that people are wary. Personally, I won't buy a high ticket item on ebay unless the person has substantial good feedback, but I try to buy low cost items from newbies to help them build feedback. Its the same idea, and it works that way in real life, you don't hire into a huge corporation fresh out of college, as the CEO.
You are right that a high post count does not make an honest trader, and I personally have heard of a few times that people with high posts and feedback have ripped people off, (In particular I know of a coop a couple years ago that had a great reputation and ripped off tens of thousands of dollars, AFAIK the mama faced federal prosecution, so I know it happens.) So anyone joining any swap, coop, BSOT is doing it at their own risk. Whoever I was getting to do it (and I was hoping we would have an experienced MDC swapper or DDC beadswapper in our group to do the actual swap and not me.) was going to have credentials other than their posts. Preferably an ebay, diaperswappers, thebabywearer or similar group rating or feedback. But the truth is at the end of the day it is less likely that there would be fraud from a mama who was known, had been around and had a good reputation to protect. Word spreads pretty fast in cyberland and people who are far smarter than I, can track people even if they change their username. People with a good longstanding rep don't want to lose that and so tend to do things honorably. Also someone who has a longer post history tends to have been around and understands the norms, rules and practices of that board. This whole thing is a good example of this. Someone with a longer post history or (even time period if they are more of a lurker) would know that a newbie doing a swap is kinda frowned on. ***And I want to make VERY clear that is not a criticism of Hartfelt or anyone else, it is just pointing out WHY more posts & longer history seems to be given more credibility.****
As to the hundreds of dollars of beads, I would never have thought that stupid 'ol beads would be worth that much, but I got a lesson the last bead swap and some of them are potentially worth a lot of money. (There were some gorgeous handmade pieces of art beads!) But for me, personally, I would just be heartbroken if the beadswap beads were lost to whatever, but not because of their monetary value. Each bead comes with a note of encouragement for labor and birth and it is very moving and spiritual. It is something that the other mamas here have each touched and that I am able to touch. Even though we are spread all over the world I can physically touch something from each of these other women who are giving birth in the same short period of time as I am. It is very powerful to wear it in labor knowing that all these other women are cheering me on. Which is why I most wanted to get this all together so we could be one single DDC beadswap. I want to share and receive all the earthy birthy beadlove with everyone from our DDC who wants to participate, not just 1/2, like we would if we divided into two groups.
Unless she's not telling me something, hartfelt is all good with this and will be a mod of the yahoogroup and helping out as much as she wants. Heck maybe there is MDC or DDC mama with high posts and feedback in her area and they could do the actual swap together, I dunno. I have no problem with hartfelt, (I really like her, she seems really sweet!) I don't think anyone else has a problem with her, and AFAIK hartfelt has no problems with this other than I think she might be a little (understandably IMHO) hurt because of the questioning of her newbieness (is that a word?) implying she's dishonest, although I don't think that was intentionally implied or believed by anyone. I can't speak for her, though, that's just what I got from PMing her, and I hope she'll pipe up and put this all to rest, so we can all move forward.
I probably have said too much, but I'm big on things being out in the open, and I'm trying my very best to lose the drama, and make everyone happy, and feeling the happy November birth bead love.
PS, was there a typo? Its 150 not 1500 before you can see the swap boards.