Treating illness/'vaccine diseases' with fever reducers?

[MamatoPeach]

I am starting a new research topic on how fevers should not be treated at my hospital. Right now nurses are giving tyl/motrin before the fever even spikes, because they are so paranoid of febrile seizures, which only effects 4% of the population, which normally has no long term effects.

Please post your research or links to the topic of how fevers are a good thing

The children will thank you.

[tmaue]

I think the main points are that reducing fever can prolong illness which can lead to complications, but also reducing a fever can mask a high fever which can be a symptom to something more serious. Without the high temp, you wouldn't know to look for something serious and treatment could be delayed for child.

http://www.australianprescriber.com/magazine/18/2/33/5/

http://www.*********/a/butler_fever.html

http://www.otherhealth.com/homeopath...-pyretics.html

Also, if you search around a bit, you will find info on the side effects of these two meds. Many of the side effects are those you normally find in illness, so it would be hard to distinguish between those caused by the illness and those caused by the meds.

[MamatoPeach]

awesome thank you!

[KimberlyD0]

I wonder though if someone might have info that might help me then. I have to give tylonal or motrin when my girls get a fever to keep in controlled because they are in the 4% who DO get febrile sezures.

DD#1 once had them so bad that after she had them it took us alost half an hour to wake her up, DD#2 is only 10 months and she's had a few as well.

If you are not supposed to give fever reducers, and you can't use cool water because it can cause shock to the body, and they're so out of it fluids is doing no good, what options do I have?

I've been doing a lot of research, but can't find any good reliable information about this.

Febrile sezures are usually "harmless" but its not something you want to see your child go through either. The sezure isn't what will harm the child the fever is.

Any info would be greatly appriciated.

[tmaue]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

IThe sezure isn't what will harm the child the fever is.

I disagree with this. I do believe it is the other way around, though I do not know how harmful the seizure itself is in any particular child. The fever itself does not cause the harm.

We haven't had to deal with seisures here, but my son, when sick, usually has 4 nights of high fever. He has on occasion woke with hallucinations which I treated with homeopathy. This took away the hallucinations but allowed the fever to continue to work. Maybe you could look into homeopathy as a form of treatment in your situation.

[ema-adama]

Unfortunately though, just as fever represents an ancient biological response, an emotional effect is embedded deeply. Through the ages, parents have seen that when fever begins to diminish and disappears, the child feels better and recovers from the illness — whatever it was. Thus, the fever has become synonymous with the illness. This flaw in logic has persisted in parents' and physicians' minds, and they are seduced by the thought that if they "make the fever go away, the patient will be well." No amount of scientific discourse will change this attitude, and antipyresis will continue to be used in children with low-grade fevers, or even no fevers, in the home as well as the hospital.

http://www.scielosp.org/scielo.php?s...1ng=en&nrm=iso

Interesting reading. And it also goes into medicating febrile seizures

[emma1325]

mito disorder possible complication of tylenol

My concern with giving tylenol to treat vaccine side effects is the potential side effects of the tylenol combined with the side effects of the vaccines.

Has this ever, EVER, been studied and verified as safe?

Wikipedia says this about sodium benzoate, a preservative used in tylenol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_benzoate


"Professor Peter Piper of the University of Sheffield claims that sodium benzoate by itself can damage and inactivate vital parts of DNA in a cell's mitochondria. Mitochondria consume oxygen to generate ATP, the body's energy currency. If they are damaged due to disease, the cell malfunctions and may enter apoptosis. There are many illnesses now tied to DNA damage, including Parkinson's and other neurodegenerative diseases, but above all, the aging process in general.[9][10][11][12][13]"



Remember mitochondria dysfunction in the Hannah Poling case? It was proposed by experts on the case that an underlying mito disorder may have led to a predisposition to neurological damage (autism) in Poling's case.


http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...721109,00.html


"The panel said that Hannah had an underlying cellular disorder that was aggravated by the vaccines, causing brain damage with features of autism spectrum disorder (ASD)."


So are we causing mitochondrial dysfunction in children by giving tylenol, then autism when the vaccines are administered?

I would never give tylenol before or after a vaccine, if I vaccinated.

[ASusan]

Is fever suppression involved in the etiology of autism and neurodevelopmental disorders?

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2431/3/9

Acetaminophen (paracetamol) use, measles-mumps-rubella vaccination, and autistic disorder

http://aut.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/3/293

[Th1Th2]

Fever is a symptom that cures. It should not be treated or suppressed at all. Giving antipyretic drugs is based on bad science and superstitious belief that is still being practiced and promoted by the medical community.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Th1Th2

Fever is a symptom that cures. It should not be treated or suppressed at all. Giving antipyretic drugs is based on bad science and superstitious belief that is still being practiced and promoted by the medical community.

I agree entirely with your response.

[Deborah]

I agree with ema-edama about the misinterpretation of the sequence of events--fever breaks, child feels better, therefore if we artificially break the fever we can get to the feeling better part sooner...but what is skipped is allowing the body to actually deal with the illness...suppressed fever can provide momentary relief and prolonged and more severe illness in the end.

Many years ago I had a copy of an alternative medical journal with an article by a doctor who was working in a hospital in Africa. There was a measles epidemic and many children were brought in suffering from measles. The doctors treated the children with fever reducers and many were sitting up and playing and feeling okay, but then they would take a turn for the worse and get very ill and some died. A couple of weeks into the epidemic the doctor who wrote the article was put in charge of the measles ward. He banned all fever reducing treatments. The children were miserable and suffering, but they would be sick and then they would recover. Once he took over only two children died, one had malaria and the other had a severe, pre-existing condition (can't remember what). As it happened, the change-over occurred half way through the epidemic so there were roughly the same number of cases on each side. The difference was striking. I remember he mentioned that the other doctors were very unhappy with his course of treatment because they didn't like to see the children suffering. I wonder what they thought at the end?

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Any info would be greatly appriciated.

Read "How to Raise A Healthy Child In Spite of Your Dr."

[KimberlyD0]

I hope this doesn't come out rude or anything.
But is there anything I can read about it that doesn't bash doctors?

[runes]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

I hope this doesn't come out rude or anything.
But is there anything I can read about it that doesn't bash doctors?

LOL. You're misinterpreting the title of the book. It's written BY a doctor so it's hardly doctor bashing. Great book. Oldie but goodie.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

I hope this doesn't come out rude or anything.
But is there anything I can read about it that doesn't bash doctors?

That link ema adama posted is a bulletin from the World Health Organization. So, it's not really doctor bashing.

Here's a review on Tylenol for preventing febrile seizures:

http://www.bestbets.org/bets/bet.php?id=647

Clinical Bottom Line
There is no evidence that antipyretics reduce the risk of subsequent febrile convulsions in at risk children Prescription of paracetamol following febrile seizures may provide comfort and symptomatic relief, but should not be recommended to prevent further febrile convulsions

more:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7776115

The combination of antipyretic agents with anticonvulsant medication did not reduce the recurrence of febrile seizures. Our results show that low doses of acetaminophen or diazepam or both are ineffective for preventing febrile seizures

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8223808

We conclude that the prophylactic administration of acetaminophen in children with febrile seizures is not effective in the prevention of fever, the reduction of its degree, or in preventing the early recurrence of febrile seizures.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ract/102/5/e51

The most important issue in treating children with febrile seizures is reducing parental anxiety by providing information about the excellent prognosis.

Conclusion. We found no evidence that ibuprofen administration during fever prevents febrile seizure recurrence

.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by kidspiration

LOL. You're misinterpreting the title of the book. It's written BY a doctor so it's hardly doctor bashing. Great book. Oldie but goodie.

OK it just sounded like it from the title. I just don't like doctor bashing. Its nothing personaly against anyone just my thing I guess.

Originally Posted by mamakay

That link ema adama posted is a bulletin from the World Health Organization. So, it's not really doctor bashing.

Here's a review on Tylenol for preventing febrile seizures:

http://www.bestbets.org/bets/bet.php?id=647



more:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7776115



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8223808



http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ract/102/5/e51

.

Thanks for the links. I'll read up on them. Febrile sezures are very scary to see so I want as much info as I can get.

[Proverbs31]

One of my concerns is the fever reducer masking the beginnings of something serious like bacterial meningitis, where one of the earliest signs is high fever. But my objection to reducing fevers is mostly based on pure logic: a fever is the body's mechanism to fight off pathogens... so what sense does it make to prevent the body from doing so?

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

OK it just sounded like it from the title. I just don't like doctor bashing. Its nothing personaly against anyone just my thing I guess.



Thanks for the links. I'll read up on them. Febrile sezures are very scary to see so I want as much info as I can get.

Off topic, but I noticed that you're new here and wanted to say welcome.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Proverbs31

One of my concerns is the fever reducer masking the beginnings of something serious like bacterial meningitis, where one of the earliest signs is high fever. ?

I think this is a fine point. Antipyretics also tend to make a child a bit drowsy and I think a person might not be alerted to something more serious.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by an_domhan

I think this is a fine point. Antipyretics also tend to make a child a bit drowsy and I think a person might not be alerted to something more serious.

The issue for us is that the conciquence for NOT using tylonal or Motrin are worse then using them. If I don't use them, then the have sezures.