Do you still use pampers? - Page 2

[ZoeyZoo]

I use cloth only now. I used to buy 7th generation or whole food sposies for when I was going to be out of the house (hey, who wants to carry spoiled diapers around?) but they give dd horrible diaper rash. I hated seeing her in sp much pain from the rashes so we only do cloth now. Both DH and I actually prefer it.

[Marnica]

I hate pampers...the ad campaign being only 1 of the reasons. We use Luvs...I am wanting to try some more earth friendly brands but money is too tight right now.

[*Erin*]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

Wow that's really harsh - those mothers probably have no clue that they are potentially harming their babies.

i agree, that was harsh.

from what i understand, there actually has been an effort underway to educate mothers about this, but it takes time. so sad. i googled this a few weeks ago, and read that about 60% of neonatal tetenus infections are caused by the spores entering the umbilical stump, but that most of them are caused by birth attendants or moms using unsanitary instruments to cut the cord, not tamping poo down into the stump.

so either way, dung or dirty instruments, i agree with you that they don't know they could be killing their babies.

i am a non-vaxing mama myself, but in this instance, like jeliphish,i support the vaccine program in these countries where tetenus is so rampant. when the mom has been vaccinated while pregnant, it innoculates the baby.

now, speaking about the diapers...when we arent doing cloth, i like the way pampers fit and work, but they are too spendy usually. i like 7th gen, but can't find them in ds's size on sale (big lots has them for $7), so i usually get huggies or lately, kroger brand in the purple pack (3$ after coupon)....

the vaccine campaign doesnt influence my buying decision either way.

[Katzchen]

We cloth diaper, but honestly I don't have an issue with Pampers promoting vaccinations in 3rd world countries.

Have any of you been to the third world? These women aren't birthing in clean homes. Many of them live and give birth in huts made from straw, mud and dung. Yes, clean water, better sanitation and education would go a long way to prevent the deaths that tetanus causes in these countries, but do to cultural, economic and political factors that isn't happening at the moment.

IMO, being able to chose not to vaccinate is an option of privilege.

Originally Posted by aniT

How on earth is a tetanus shot at 2 months going to protect a newborn who has cow dung packed onto it's umbilical cord? I have not really educated myself on this problem, but it seems to me the shot is going to be too late to save that baby. The only thing that is going to save those babies is EDUCATION AND SANITATION. Not a shot of toxic chemicals.

The vaccines are given to pregnant women and women of child bearing age and this passes the mothers immunity on to the child for the first few months so long as she is breast feeding. They are vaccinating consenting adults, not children or infants.

[paquerette]

Originally Posted by *Erin*

from what i understand, there actually has been an effort underway to educate mothers about this, but it takes time. so sad. i googled this a few weeks ago, and read that about 60% of neonatal tetenus infections are caused by the spores entering the umbilical stump, but that most of them are caused by birth attendants or moms using unsanitary instruments to cut the cord, not tamping poo down into the stump.

so either way, dung or dirty instruments, i agree with you that they don't know they could be killing their babies.

I know there's at least one charity org. that you can donate to that sends sterile one-use birth kits to midwives in countries and conditions like this. It was discussed as a neat midwife gift if you want to donate in her name instead of giving your mw "stuff", in the homebirth forum.

[PaigeC]

I'm planning on using 7th gen diapers (I got $250 worth free through a promotion at Amazon.com!) but their newborn diapers don't fit well so we are using swaddlers until she gets into the size ones. It does bother me that I'm supporting vaccines but I really want to be CDing so I'm already in concession mode for diapering (DH doesn't want to CD and he's going to be SAHD).

[aniT]

Originally Posted by Katzchen

The vaccines are given to pregnant women and women of child bearing age and this passes the mothers immunity on to the child for the first few months so long as she is breast feeding. They are vaccinating consenting adults, not children or infants.

That does not sound right at all. I will have to check into it.

[tessie]

Originally Posted by aniT

That does not sound right at all. I will have to check into it.

I believe that she is correct.

I just buy whatever is on offer. I did want to use cloth put having a serious puker gave me enough laundry to do. As she's sick less now I'm considering switching.

[mamakah]

I only used pampers briefly when dS was born. The packs were given to us at baby shower. I would never give them my money though. For numerous reasons.
1. I don't believe that they are doing what they say (vaccinating all the children in the world)
2. I resent their advertising for the UNICEF (funded by Merck).
The latest newborn tetnus ad has me really bugged...

[buttercupmama]

We use cloth. If we had to use disposables, we wouldn't go near Pampers because of this.

[sahmama_12]

Originally Posted by jeliphish

after seeing the Sierra Leone special about how horrible tetanus is in that area (which is the area pampers is donating to) it changed my mind a bit. I know the answer to overall health there is clean water, food, and education about health and safety for newborns (I believe it is ritual to pack the baby's umbilical cord with animal feces which is a major cause of the tetanus), but in the meantime....seeing a baby taking it's last breath when he or even the mother could have had the vaccination to prevent this- just makes me think about the positives. If I have to choose between nothing and a tetanus shot to save a life...I'm going to choose to support the tetanus shot. If it were a perfect world I would say screw the tetanus shot and spend the money to educate and provide these people with the resources they need...but that's not happening. I don't think that the lack of the tetanus shot is going to force that issue either. I just didn't realize how truly horrifying tetanus is until I saw this program.

The whole vaccine thing aside which I feel torn on because of the above stuff... why can't they attach their campaign to some product that doesn't promote filling up a landfill? Like baby food in glass jars, something that is consumed and then recycled?

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Katzchen

The vaccines are given to pregnant women and women of child bearing age and this passes the mothers immunity on to the child for the first few months so long as she is breast feeding.

Sorry that information is wrong. There is some immunity that is passed on from mom to child. It is passed on across the placenta. This of course can never happen with vaccine immunity, only with natural or core immunity that came from a natural infection.

But that can never happen with tetanus. Let me explain it in the shortest way:

1. even if a person has had tetanus, they will not have any immunity and can not be protected from further tetanus infections. A person can get repeat tetanus infections.

2. if the human body is not able to build immunity after encountering such an assault, how is a vaccine supposed to do that? It can't.

3. toxoid vaccines are different from vaccines against a virus or bacteria in that the body does not build immunity but rather learns to tolerate the toxin.

IOW - the mom who is vaccinated, gained tolerance to the tetanus toxin. The child is not protected (if that is even possible) from tetanus toxins even if the mother is breast feeding that child since a tolerance can't be passed on in any way.

Many scientists question the tetanus vaccine and it's ability to create any protection at all. That is why we have seen such a change in the dose over the years and time that it is supposed to protect.

The way they found the vaccine to work is if at the same time as vaccinating the mom, they also educate her in how to care for the newborns umbilical wound. That works!

hth

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by sahmama_12

.. why can't they attach their campaign to some product that doesn't promote filling up a landfill? Like baby food in glass jars, something that is consumed and then recycled?

Because they are one and the same company. The world pHARMaceutical companies have control over many things. I would say over most things in the world. Including our politicians (but that's another subject).

[LPBC]

I normally do EC with cloth back-up, but when we are on holiday I use disposables as back-up and normally that would have been pampers, but since that add I have not bought them at all. I cannot do it as I believe vaccines are poison, so I will not let other children be poisoned on my account.

[ericswifey27]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Many scientists question the tetanus vaccine and it's ability to create any protection at all. That is why we have seen such a change in the dose over the years and time that it is supposed to protect.

The way they found the vaccine to work is if at the same time as vaccinating the mom, they also educate her in how to care for the newborns umbilical wound. That works!

hth

That's exactly my viewpoint after having watched the Salma Hayek video clip. The doctor/representative speaking was also very clear how it was a win/win situation, in other words (supposedly) the vaccines help, and he gets to "promote" (I'm pretty sure that's the actual wording he used) his product.

Anyway Pampers are no longer anywhere near our house as a result of this campaign. Which is good anyway, as it encourages me to use our cloth diapers more often, which is always a good thing.