Vaxes Given to Salmon Cause Auto-Immune Disorders

[ZoeyZoo]

This study was posted recently on mercola. I haven't seen it on MDC so I thought I would share:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...earch=18802084

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vital...ed-Salmon.aspx

[aniT]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

This study was posted recently on mercola. I haven't seen it on MDC so I thought I would share:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...earch=18802084

http://blogs.mercola.com/sites/vital...ed-Salmon.aspx

Good thing I don't like salmon. WTF? Will they vaccinate anything?

[Juvysen]

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[gbailey]

Scary. Just made me happy we spaced out vaccs and won't be giving dd mmr. That's really crazy.

[nwmamas]

Um, sorry to be a fearful hippie here, but I have absolutely never thought about vaxed animals before. First they start offering more vaxes to pregnant women, now this personal revelation, and really, can there ever BE a study of vaxed versus unvaxed kids?

Does anyone have a link to what vaxes and their ingredients are generally given to farmed poultry, cows, sheep, etc. that are consumed as food?

[ericswifey27]

so apparently when losses of life in salmon= lots of dollar signs going down the drain, people are willing to mention lupus and vaccine in the same sentence. Amazing...

[shuttlt]

Is hydrocarbon oil used in any vaccines given to humans?

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Is hydrocarbon oil used in any vaccines given to humans?

This is not something I know anything about, but I did find this

Nevertheless, the potential of adjuvant hydrocarbon oils to induce autoimmunity has implications in the use of oil adjuvants in human and veterinary vaccines as well as basic research.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c05970bdbbf48b

I would be interested to see which human vaccines do contain hydrocarbon oil

ETA: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...Q9Do9lhQZPotSw
This seems to suggest that the dose is OK, and the oil is found in the flu vax (instead of aluminium I guess)

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

This is not something I know anything about, but I did find this

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c05970bdbbf48b

I would be interested to see which human vaccines do contain hydrocarbon oil

If it's in a vaccine that is given to humans, Th1Th2 must surely know.

[shuttlt]

I had a look on novaccine.com. The best I've managed to come up with is a hydrocarbon oil called Squalene that isn't licenced for use in the US. The military apparantly used it unlicenced in their Gulf War anthrax vaccine.

Ho hum!

(How reliable is novaccine.com?)

[ema-adama]

I linked in an article in my previous post from a New Zealand source, and it seems to be in flu vax . But yeah, I am only finding Squalene as a source of hydrocarbon oil in human vaccines.... I can't seem to pin down a list

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I linked in an article in my previous post from a New Zealand source, and it seems to be in flu vax . But yeah, I am only finding Squalene as a source of hydrocarbon oil in human vaccines.... I can't seem to pin down a list

Guess who has been here already? http://www.*********/v/squalene.html

Take a look at http://www.*********/vaccines/mf59_h.html for some more information on Squalene in human vaccines.

I don't know how seriously to take *********, where I come from it is ruled out by Scopie's Law.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Guess who has been here already? http://www.*********/v/squalene.html

Take a look at http://www.*********/vaccines/mf59_h.html for some more information on Squalene in human vaccines.

I don't know how seriously to take *********, where I come from it is ruled out by Scopie's Law.

I have no idea if the Immunisation Advisory Centre gets their information from *********, but that could happen I guess.

MF59 is a safe and potent vaccine adjuvant that has been licensed in more than 20 countries (Fluad® [Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics Inc., MA, USA]). The safety profile of an MF59-adjuvanted vaccine is well established through a large safety database.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00005/art00008

Adjuvant MF59 uses squalene....
I don't understand how MF59 can be safe and squalene be so toxic.

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by nwmamas

Um, sorry to be a fearful hippie here, but I have absolutely never thought about vaxed animals before. First they start offering more vaxes to pregnant women, now this personal revelation, and really, can there ever BE a study of vaxed versus unvaxed kids?

Does anyone have a link to what vaxes and their ingredients are generally given to farmed poultry, cows, sheep, etc. that are consumed as food?

I don't think that the actual diseases would go through the gut to stimulate our immune systems, but it would be useful to know if the Mercury, etc, that may or may not be IN those vaccines will be affecting us. One more food to avoid

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I have no idea if the Immunisation Advisory Centre gets their information from whale.com, but that could happen I guess.

I would be stunned if they relied upon it or referenced it.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00005/art00008

Adjuvant MF59 uses squalene....
I don't understand how MF59 can be safe and squalene be so toxic.

I just looked up squelene. It is a naturally occuring oil. It's also used as a natural moisturizer, how nice!

I guess we'd have to look at the amount of squalene in MF59 and how toxic squalene is to know whether there is any reason to be bothered about MF59.

[ema-adama]

I am guessing this might fall into the catergory of ingested/applied is not the same as injected... for now I am not finding anything that I can post - the articles do not even have abstracts.

What I have found is this one
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...be1d519417908a

And it would be facinating to actually read the study. I think there is a lot of risk/benefit going on, and for now it would seem that it is OK for pandemic outbreaks as it boosts the immune reponse to the vaccine in a much more powerful way than even aluminium. That it is risky is outweighed by the perceived benefit of preventing a pandemic of flu.... :

In my readings through medical texts I repeatedly came across the idea that aluminium skews the immune system to Th2. I did not realise just how accepted this idea was.

I am pretty sure I don't want MF59 injected into me.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

I am pretty sure I don't want MF59 injected into me.

But it would be for Science! Think what your lingering death could teach us!

[Ruthla]

So is there any danger in EATING the vaccinated salmon, or only risk to the salmon themselves?

[zebu]

sorry, OT, but for anyone who regularly eats farmed salmon.... I think there is a danger in eating farmed salmon whether they are vaccinated or not. Salmon farming is pretty nasty. For one, farmed salmon flesh is naturally white, so to make it pink they inject it with dyes.

The whole thing makes my stomach turn. I was horrified of what I learned after eating farmed salmon 1-2 a week for a like a whole year.

[peainthepod]

This is the kind of story that's slowly but surely pushing me back to vegetarianism...