Silly DNA/Vax question

[Spectrolite]

I am terribly grossed out by the fact that there were monkey kidney tissue, bovine serum, etc in vaccines.
And that DNA is in those vaxes.

My hubby had a comment.

We are eating meat, so what's the diff between dna getting into us through our mouths than through vaxing?

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

I am terribly grossed out by the fact that there were monkey kidney tissue, bovine serum, etc in vaccines.
And that DNA is in those vaxes.

My hubby had a comment.

We are eating meat, so what's the diff between dna getting into us through our mouths than through vaxing?

Is it just that you are grossed out, or do you think something bad may come from this?

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

We are eating meat, so what's the diff between dna getting into us through our mouths than through vaxing?

One goes through your digestive system, which has evolved to break down, process, and excrete animal proteins, and the other is injected directly into the body, bypassing its natural defensive responses entirely.

[ZoeyZoo]

For me the danger is that there are DNA fragments that are left over in the vaxes that may or may not be screened for. For example a disease called SV40 was left in the OPV vaxes in the 60s. SV40 leads to cancer in humans.

[claddaghmom]

Ummm. I prefer to eat my steak, not shoot up with it.

The main issue I see with vaccines containing these is the lack of choice. Every single child gets the exact same dose with the exact same ingredients.

How come moms are reminded everywhere to keep their precious babies away from eggs and milk until 1 year, but they can get shot up with this stuff multiple times from birth onwards?

How come babies with severe allergies need a special diet, special formula, or the BF mom needs a special diet, but they can get shot up with this stuff?

It makes no sense.

[runes]

I never thought about it this way before, but it would be entirely valid and a reflection of our philosophy that we choose not to vaccinate because we are vegetarians.

On a further note, I don't believe that injecting foreign DNA and fragments of DNA is all that great of a thing to do, especially when you're injecting it at the same time with other substances that are there to create an immune response.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

I am terribly grossed out by the fact that there were monkey kidney tissue, bovine serum, etc in vaccines.
And that DNA is in those vaxes.

My hubby had a comment.

We are eating meat, so what's the diff between dna getting into us through our mouths than through vaxing?

Tis true that you ingest DNA regularly. Injecting it probably isn't the best of ideas... I'm a bit more concerned over the proteins, and host interaction.

[Spectrolite]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Is it just that you are grossed out, or do you think something bad may come from this?

Both, of course! The reason I'm researching vaxing right now is because I fear something bad might come from vaxing in general. ALL the ingredients in the vaccinations are concerning, but the DNA, it's just so, I don't know, a "personal" thing. I can't explain this well, but I don't want my baby to change at a physical level. She is who she is, she has her own set of DNA. I dont' want her to become part monkey, or part aborted baby, for God's sake.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

Both, of course! The reason I'm researching vaxing right now is because I fear something bad might come from vaxing in general. ALL the ingredients in the vaccinations are concerning, but the DNA, it's just so, I don't know, a "personal" thing. I can't explain this well, but I don't want my baby to change at a physical level. She is who she is, she has her own set of DNA. I dont' want her to become part monkey, or part aborted baby, for God's sake.

I don't quite follow this. Does the DNA stick around and integrate with your own? Surely we don't end up with cells that contain monkey DNA (any more so than usual? - ape/monkey whatever).

[ericswifey27]

Originally Posted by claddaghmom

The main issue I see with vaccines containing these is the lack of choice. Every single child gets the exact same dose with the exact same ingredients.

How come moms are reminded everywhere to keep their precious babies away from eggs and milk until 1 year, but they can get shot up with this stuff multiple times from birth onwards?

How come babies with severe allergies need a special diet, special formula, or the BF mom needs a special diet, but they can get shot up with this stuff?

It makes no sense.

Uh huh! Amen sister!

[karika]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

I don't quite follow this. Does the DNA stick around and integrate with your own? Surely we don't end up with cells that contain monkey DNA (any more so than usual? - ape/monkey whatever).

I haven't researched it yet, but I will begin to. Yes I am sure that there are negative occurences with dna that is incomplete floating around in your bloodstream. when there is an atom that is missing an electron, it looks around for a free electron or another atom that has an extra, this is from simple chemistry. so dna is made of the same stuff it only follows that it would bind to whatever it could find in a body. I will look for some things and post if i find them. i trust my instincts and they tell me that injecting anything into our veins is wrong. especially when it has so many chemicals in it that are not approved for ingestion....like the formaldehyde....

[Spectrolite]

ShuttIt, I don't know. I have no idea what happens when the DNA-containing vaccine is injected into the body. It's way too complex for me.

But what I do understand is that that which is injected MUST go somewhere.
If it interacts with our own DNA or not, no idea. But it's still hanging around in our bodies. No?

Even that thought doesn't sit right with me.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

But what I do understand is that that which is injected MUST go somewhere.
If it interacts with our own DNA or not, no idea. But it's still hanging around in our bodies. No?

It depends. It could be that it hangs around for ages but doesn't interact, it could be that it hangs around and interacts in some way, it could be that it is broken down and gotten rid of, lots of things are possible. My intuitive thought is that if transfused human blood of the wrong type doesn't hang around too long, then the same will be true of injected monkey DNA. Like I say, this is my intuition, so I could well be wrong.

[Spectrolite]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

It depends. It could be that it hangs around for ages but doesn't interact, it could be that it hangs around and interacts in some way, it could be that it is broken down and gotten rid of, lots of things are possible. My intuitive thought is that if transfused human blood of the wrong type doesn't hang around too long, then the same will be true of injected monkey DNA. Like I say, this is my intuition, so I could well be wrong.

Ok. Well, I have very little knowledge about how the body works
So I've jumped into this very complex vax issue with limited knowledge to begin with.

Thanks for sharing that. I know I am unconsciously seeking for information that would lean me towards not vaxing. So I was hoping that I could say, "monkey DNA in my baby? no thanks. Next parenting dilemma." and that would be final.

sigh.

Have you guys seen research on this topic? i haven't yet looked. Karika, let us know what you find when you start to look

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

Ok. Well, I have very little knowledge about how the body works
So I've jumped into this very complex vax issue with limited knowledge to begin with.

You and me both.

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

Thanks for sharing that. I know I am unconsciously seeking for information that would lean me towards not vaxing. So I was hoping that I could say, "monkey DNA in my baby? no thanks. Next parenting dilemma." and that would be final.

My view of this is that whether you vax, or not, there is no definitive final source of information that will tell you it's OK and you made the right choice. What I've taken away from about a month on this forum is that whichever choice you make, everything will probably be fine. The important thing is that you're looking out for your kids.

sigh.

Back at you!

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

I don't quite follow this. Does the DNA stick around and integrate with your own? Surely we don't end up with cells that contain monkey DNA (any more so than usual? - ape/monkey whatever).

There are safeguards in the DNA replication process, if you are comparing it with viral replication which occurs very rapidly, so every time a copy is made there is a chance for error.

That said, there really is no way of knowing for sure if foreign DNA (fragments or otherwise) have the ability to alter host genes (the consensus at the moment would be no). The body is capable of identifying foreign proteins and DNA, provided the host is not compromised. For example, the human organism contains a class of proteins that are called inflammasomes and they play critical roles in protecting the host against both viral and bacterial infection. My understanding is that they can bind to foreign DNA and alert other processes that there is an impeding threat. So, to me (I guess), the important question is whether the host contains the ability to recognise the DNA/protein as foreign and respond accordingly.

[carriebft]

Despite being the same species, wouldn't this also then be true of sexual intercourse between the same species? I mean, you get foreign DNA- different than your own-- would it then change your cells in some way? same with other species? why does the change supposedly happen with animal to human DNA but not human to human? I don't think the "same species" argument would exactly cover it- our DNA does differ...

[eireann]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

One goes through your digestive system, which has evolved to break down, process, and excrete animal proteins, and the other is injected directly into the body, bypassing its natural defensive responses entirely.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Spectrolite

ShuttIt, I don't know. I have no idea what happens when the DNA-containing vaccine is injected into the body. It's way too complex for me.

But what I do understand is that that which is injected MUST go somewhere.
If it interacts with our own DNA or not, no idea. But it's still hanging around in our bodies. No?

Even that thought doesn't sit right with me.

Isn't the concern about animal DNA in vaccines that they are often contaminated with viruses that are harmless to the host, but can cause havoc in the human and lead to cancer? Like SV-40?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sa...p_salud33y.htm

Studies by Phillipe Anker and Maurice Stroun have indicated:
spontaneous release of DNA material from mammalian cells
spontaneous transfer of DNA from bacteria to higher organisms
spontaneous transfer of DNA between cells of higher organisms
release of RNA by mammalian cells
biological activity of released complexes containing RNA

Although host cells containing latent viral particles operate more or less normally, they begin to synthesize viral proteins under the guidance of the viral DNA, eventually creating the circumstances for various autoimmune diseases, including diseases of the central nervous system, which unfortunately add to the growing load of aberrant social behavior patterns.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Isn't the concern about animal DNA in vaccines that they are often contaminated with viruses that are harmless to the host, but can cause havoc in the human and lead to cancer? Like SV-40?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sa...p_salud33y.htm

I'd wondered about that. Bird flu still being a little bit topical. I guess this would partly depend where the animal dna came from. Are we talking cell cultures, or the chimp equivalent of Soylent Green?