Mothering › Forums › Breastfeeding › Breastfeeding Challenges › Am I a loser for not trying harder?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Am I a loser for not trying harder?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
My DD is seven months old. I am an exclusively pumping BFAR mama, with major supply issues. I didn't have great breastfeeding support immediately after she was born, and for three weeks she kept losing weight in spite of nursing all the time and everyone who saw her telling me, "Oh she's got a great latch, just keep at it!"

We kept at it with no interventions for three weeks, even though my nipples were so painful I screamed every time she latched on (oh yeah, great latch..., and her weight dropped to a pound and a half below her birthweight. My pedi and the LC from the hospital kept saying, there's no reason you should be in pain, her latch looks fine, just put on some lansinoh and keep going. I felt like I should be pumping, but my pedi discouraged it, saying it was just going to wear me out.

Finally we saw a different LC who put her on the digital transfer scale, and discovered that she was only taking in about 1/2 an ounce of milk in a 45 minute feeding. Barely enough to keep her going. She got me set up with a hospital grade pump, and put me on a regime of breastfeeding twenty minutes, supplementing her with milk and/or formula, and then pumping. It was grueling. My nipples *still* felt torn to pieces. The LC said we'd missed the window on establishing supply. I pumped 8 times a day and got maybe 7 ounces a day total. We saw another LC. I was exhausted and in tears. She suggested just pumping for awhile, and skipping the breastfeeding all together. I did that, though I still feel like crying when I write about it.

I went on a mission to improve my supply. I took fenugreek, goats rue, domperidone, motherlove tinctures, oatmeal, beer, water, etc. Nothing made an ounce of difference.

At eight weeks, I decided I wanted her back on the breast, and got a Lact-Aid, and yet another LC. The new LC took one look at her, and told me that she clearly had been born with a tongue tie, which somehow, no one else managed to notice. Finally the pain and low transfer made sense.

I started nursing her with the Lact-Aid. It was really hard work. She was a very slow eater, and it would still take her an hour to nurse her way through two ounces of supplement. I got mastitis three times. Then I got some mysterious skin infection on my nipples. They split open and were covered in blisters. I tried to treat it herbally. I tried to treat it with topical abx. Finally I broke down and took the oral abx. It went away, but only after I'd been in pain for three weeks.

Though people kept saying, just nurse her at your breast constantly and don't ever let her have a bottle, that wasn't possible as I was back at work. And, still pumping after every nursing session. Perhaps that was our problem, that she still got bottles, but even after a month, she remained so fussy on the Lact-Aid, and I HATED using it. My goal was to teach her to nurse well enough that she could empty my breasts on her own, without the Lact-Aid. We never accomplished that.

The last time I fed her with the Lact-Aid was Thanksgiving. It just felt like such work, and she was so often so fussy- screaming and crying when I tried to latch her on. I felt like we were losing the bonding cuddly time that breastfeeding was supposed to provide.

So, I kept pumping, and got up to producing 10 ounces a day. I managed to cut down the number of pumpings without losing any supply, so that I did four pumping sessions a day for ten ounces. I felt bad about not having the bonding of breastfeeding, but we co-sleep, I wear her everywhere, we bathe together...so I felt like we were getting at least some of it in other ways.

Then, over Christmas, I left my hospital grade pump at home, and pumped for a week with my PIS. My supply tanked, going down to seven ounces a day. Even once I was back on the hospital grade pump, it never went back up. I tried adding in more pumpings. I broke out the herbs again. No difference.

Then this past week, we all got the flu. My supply dropped another ounce. Now I'm down to pumping six ounces a day. Part of me feels like I should step it up again and try to get back up to where I was before, and try and eek out 9 or 10 ounces. But here's the thing- I'm just so worn out, and I simply don't want to. I'm only pumping four times a day now. I could add more pumpings. I could get up at night, even if she doesn't, and do a 4am pumping again. But, it just feels so overwhelming to think about adding any more time on that pump. And, though she's capable of self-entertaining at other times, she refuses to be put down while I pump. So, it's really hard to do when I'm by myself with her, or if my DP is trying to do something else.

I'm sorry. I know I just typed a novel here. I guess I'm just feeling so guilty about not doing more, not trying harder to make this work. I'm not planning on stopping pumping right now - that's another whole emotional minefield that I'm not close to being ready to touch. I had hoped to pump for a year, though right now, I set my goals in much smaller chunks. I guess what I'm asking is, am a bad mother for not adding in more pumpings in hopes of getting another couple ounces? Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?

We've been lucky at times to get donor milk. Other times, she gets mainly formula. But she's had breastmilk every day of her life, and I'm really happy and proud about that. The whole thing is just so hard though, and even now, seven months out, I still feel this sadness and loss sometimes when I think about what I would do differently if I could go back in time, how I wish things had been, versus how they turned out.

Okay, thanks for listening...
post #2 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelaM View Post
I guess what I'm asking is, am a bad mother for not adding in more pumpings in hopes of getting another couple ounces?
No, no, no, you're not bad! You're very good and dedicated for everything you have already done!

Quote:
Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?
No it's not ridiculous, it still has it's benefits for the baby. It's completely up to you to decide if it is right for you and your situation. (Pumping is so hard and takes time and commitment, as you know.) You say right now you want to continue, so you should and don't feel like you are being ridiculous at all.

Quote:
The whole thing is just so hard though, and even now, seven months out, I still feel this sadness and loss sometimes when I think about what I would do differently if I could go back in time, how I wish things had been, versus how they turned out.
Totaly normal and valid feelings. Parents go through a lot of that when they have the best made plans for their kids and the plans just don't work out.

Okay, thanks for listening...[/QUOTE]
post #3 of 29
:

Quote:
Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?
I would do it. To me, pumping is almost impossible. I produce no more than 2 oz in a day for a pump, no matter how hard I tried. LC and ped were so concerned about DD1's weight, they didn't look at the baby. Everything worked out for the best, but IME, 6 oz is an applause worthy amount.

You also have to do what is best for you! You know your body. It is perfectly fine, sane, valid to not add so much more pumping time when you know it will negatively affect you.

you are doing a great job!
post #4 of 29
Okay...wow. That was a very sad story.

We were able to get past a very rocky start and I'm still exhausted, so I can only imagine what you're going through.

And to this...
Quote:
The LC said we'd missed the window on establishing supply.
...heck no. I was ignorant in the beginning and thought there was such a window, but I don't believe now that there is. Yes, there is a period where it's easier because you just had your baby, your hormones are already at the right level, but even without a baby it's definitely possible to lactate. Even men have lactated. She could have said 'you've missed the window on establishing supply with greater ease,' but really shouldn't have said anything at all if it was just going to be unnecessarily negative.

You've come really far and you're still going. That's truly commendable given how hard it's been for you. 7 months is a long time. I would recommend solids over formula though, but that's just me.

You're the mama. Trust your instincts and let them guide you. Any amount of breast milk is going to have antibodies, the most important fats, and everything else your baby needs. Some is definitely better than none.
post #5 of 29
Wow - pumping is so hard imo & takes a lot of dedication. Your doing your best & that is all anyone can ask. I think you're doing great!!!
post #6 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelaM View Post
I guess what I'm asking is, am a bad mother for not adding in more pumpings in hopes of getting another couple ounces? Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?
No! You're clearly a wonderful mother who did her absolute best with the advice she had at the time.
I think it's totally reasonable – and loving – to weigh more time with the pump (instead of cuddling your babe) versus what you're able to pump and ask if it's worth it.
Every ounce you can give your LO is a gift but pumping is exhausting – and just the idea of setting an alarm again at 4 a.m. (which I did for too long) makes me want to cry.
My SIL is BFAR and one of the best mothers I know. She got terrible advice for her first – he lost too much weight and rejected the breast, even with the Lact-Aid. She EP'd – getting the same amount as you – but stopped at seven months because pumping was so horrible.
Her second child is still nursing at almost a year!
She credits the advice she got at bfar.org – you might find support there, too.
Big hug to you – you're a great mom, whatever you decide to do.
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 
cak (cuddling at keyboard)

thanks everyone, this means so much. i think some part of me just needed to tell that story and get it out.

megan, what an inspiring story about your sister. when/if we do this again, i like to think that things will be really different.
post #8 of 29
AngelaM :

You are an amazing woman!
post #9 of 29
Hugs from another low supply mamma!

Just when I think I've worked so hard to breastfeed my baby I hear a story like yours and realize that there are women out there that have worked even harder than me.

The pumping is exhausting. And demoralizing. And time consuming. And sometimes torture. We are at almost 9 months. I can't believe I've lasted this long with only getting at the most 6-10 ounces a day but every time I think of quitting I start to feel guilty. I have cut it down to about 5 times a day. I had to find a balance with keeping my sanity and feeding my baby. I had to cut out the nighttime pumping. That one was starting to make me angry and resentful. Also, the pumping during the day when I am with her is getting very hard. She is crawling and needs constant attention. So I haven't been as good about keeping up with the every 4 hours thing.

You are doing an amazing job. Obviously you are a very good mother to your little one! I really feel for your situation because I've been there and I am there!
post #10 of 29


Your dedication is amazing! What a lucky baby!
post #11 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelaM View Post
My DD is seven months old. I am an exclusively pumping BFAR mama, with major supply issues. I didn't have great breastfeeding support immediately after she was born, and for three weeks she kept losing weight in spite of nursing all the time and everyone who saw her telling me, "Oh she's got a great latch, just keep at it!"

We kept at it with no interventions for three weeks, even though my nipples were so painful I screamed every time she latched on (oh yeah, great latch..., and her weight dropped to a pound and a half below her birthweight. My pedi and the LC from the hospital kept saying, there's no reason you should be in pain, her latch looks fine, just put on some lansinoh and keep going. I felt like I should be pumping, but my pedi discouraged it, saying it was just going to wear me out.

Finally we saw a different LC who put her on the digital transfer scale, and discovered that she was only taking in about 1/2 an ounce of milk in a 45 minute feeding. Barely enough to keep her going. She got me set up with a hospital grade pump, and put me on a regime of breastfeeding twenty minutes, supplementing her with milk and/or formula, and then pumping. It was grueling. My nipples *still* felt torn to pieces. The LC said we'd missed the window on establishing supply. I pumped 8 times a day and got maybe 7 ounces a day total. We saw another LC. I was exhausted and in tears. She suggested just pumping for awhile, and skipping the breastfeeding all together. I did that, though I still feel like crying when I write about it.

I went on a mission to improve my supply. I took fenugreek, goats rue, domperidone, motherlove tinctures, oatmeal, beer, water, etc. Nothing made an ounce of difference.

At eight weeks, I decided I wanted her back on the breast, and got a Lact-Aid, and yet another LC. The new LC took one look at her, and told me that she clearly had been born with a tongue tie, which somehow, no one else managed to notice. Finally the pain and low transfer made sense.

I started nursing her with the Lact-Aid. It was really hard work. She was a very slow eater, and it would still take her an hour to nurse her way through two ounces of supplement. I got mastitis three times. Then I got some mysterious skin infection on my nipples. They split open and were covered in blisters. I tried to treat it herbally. I tried to treat it with topical abx. Finally I broke down and took the oral abx. It went away, but only after I'd been in pain for three weeks.

Though people kept saying, just nurse her at your breast constantly and don't ever let her have a bottle, that wasn't possible as I was back at work. And, still pumping after every nursing session. Perhaps that was our problem, that she still got bottles, but even after a month, she remained so fussy on the Lact-Aid, and I HATED using it. My goal was to teach her to nurse well enough that she could empty my breasts on her own, without the Lact-Aid. We never accomplished that.

The last time I fed her with the Lact-Aid was Thanksgiving. It just felt like such work, and she was so often so fussy- screaming and crying when I tried to latch her on. I felt like we were losing the bonding cuddly time that breastfeeding was supposed to provide.

So, I kept pumping, and got up to producing 10 ounces a day. I managed to cut down the number of pumpings without losing any supply, so that I did four pumping sessions a day for ten ounces. I felt bad about not having the bonding of breastfeeding, but we co-sleep, I wear her everywhere, we bathe together...so I felt like we were getting at least some of it in other ways.

Then, over Christmas, I left my hospital grade pump at home, and pumped for a week with my PIS. My supply tanked, going down to seven ounces a day. Even once I was back on the hospital grade pump, it never went back up. I tried adding in more pumpings. I broke out the herbs again. No difference.

Then this past week, we all got the flu. My supply dropped another ounce. Now I'm down to pumping six ounces a day. Part of me feels like I should step it up again and try to get back up to where I was before, and try and eek out 9 or 10 ounces. But here's the thing- I'm just so worn out, and I simply don't want to. I'm only pumping four times a day now. I could add more pumpings. I could get up at night, even if she doesn't, and do a 4am pumping again. But, it just feels so overwhelming to think about adding any more time on that pump. And, though she's capable of self-entertaining at other times, she refuses to be put down while I pump. So, it's really hard to do when I'm by myself with her, or if my DP is trying to do something else.

I'm sorry. I know I just typed a novel here. I guess I'm just feeling so guilty about not doing more, not trying harder to make this work. I'm not planning on stopping pumping right now - that's another whole emotional minefield that I'm not close to being ready to touch. I had hoped to pump for a year, though right now, I set my goals in much smaller chunks. I guess what I'm asking is, am a bad mother for not adding in more pumpings in hopes of getting another couple ounces? Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?

We've been lucky at times to get donor milk. Other times, she gets mainly formula. But she's had breastmilk every day of her life, and I'm really happy and proud about that. The whole thing is just so hard though, and even now, seven months out, I still feel this sadness and loss sometimes when I think about what I would do differently if I could go back in time, how I wish things had been, versus how they turned out.

Okay, thanks for listening...



I think you've done a wonderful job. If you feel that quitting the pumping now would give you more time to enjoy your daughter, then I say do it.

If I were you, I would look into alternatives to formula, such as goat's milk...and supplement with a probiotic to help keep her immune system strong.
post #12 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelaM View Post
I guess what I'm asking is, am a bad mother for not adding in more pumpings in hopes of getting another couple ounces? Conversely, is it ridiculous to spend an hour and a half of my day on a breastpump for six ounces of milk?

We've been lucky at times to get donor milk. Other times, she gets mainly formula. But she's had breastmilk every day of her life, and I'm really happy and proud about that. The whole thing is just so hard though, and even now, seven months out, I still feel this sadness and loss sometimes when I think about what I would do differently if I could go back in time, how I wish things had been, versus how they turned out.

Okay, thanks for listening...
Holy mackerel mama, I just looked up dedication in the dictionary and it had your picture. You're a GREAT mother! It's ok to feel sad, but don't for a minute feel you just flippantly shortchanged your daughter!
post #13 of 29
WOW! I had the exact same problem! Well, almost. I definitely did not have the best support system, really, none at all. She wasn't losing weight and she was definitely getting enough milk in the beginning but she sucked so hard that I physically couldn't nurse her anymore and started pumping. I exclusively pumped for a few days just to give my nipples a break. In the beginning, I had an over supply, but that quickly changed and by the time she was three months old, my supply was nearly gone.

Anyhow, I just wanted to lend you some support. I've had the same problem but now DD is on formula and donor milk. You are definitely not a bad momma!! The very fact that you are asking about it around here proves that you are a great momma!! Keep at it, but don't feel guilty for whatever happens. You are doing your best!!!

You are a great momma and you most certainly are not a loser!

Good Luck!!
post #14 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by emma1325 View Post


I think you've done a wonderful job. If you feel that quitting the pumping now would give you more time to enjoy your daughter, then I say do it.

If I were you, I would look into alternatives to formula, such as goat's milk...and supplement with a probiotic to help keep her immune system strong.
Can a baby have goats milk instead of formula? Is that really better?
post #15 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by caro113 View Post
Can a baby have goats milk instead of formula? Is that really better?
What I've heard is that it's fine if you're replacing a bottle here or there, but if the bulk of your nutrition is coming is coming from formula, straight goats milk isn't the best choice. The iron levels, maybe? Can't remember- I researched this awhile ago... As disgusting as I find formula (oh the smell!), it comes closer to replicating the nutritional profile of breastmilk than any other animal milk can.

That said, I've considered swapping out SOME of our formula for goats milk, especially now that she's getting older. But, I haven't done anything about it yet.
post #16 of 29
No not a loser at all. My ds1 was supplemented with formula almost every day of his first 18 months. I pumped around the clock for the first 5 months of his life. It was hard. We were just both fortunate that he took to the breast very easily. He's now 6 and still nurses a few times a week. Now I know that you won't be pumping in 5 years for this child. You are however doing whatever you can for your baby's health and that is what's important.

We couldn't use a lactaid or sns either. It probably had to do with ds1's sensory issues but it just didn't work out. We ended up supplementing with bottles almost the whole time.
post #17 of 29
Thread Starter 
You guys are all really awesome. Thanks for sharing your stories and encouragement. I'm impressed that there are so many dedicated and compassionate mamas here.

I'm feeling better today. It is what it is, and I feel lucky that so many things have gone RIGHT in our lives. My DD is a smart, funny, healthy, amazing kid, and I feel grateful to have the opportunity to parent her, and bond with her in all the ways we do.

Thanks too for helping me to get some perspective on the whole thing. I HAVE done a lot for her, and I'm just going to feel good about that for now. And, if we do have another child, I feel so much more prepared to meet the challenges of breastfeeding (and BFARing in particular) head on.
post #18 of 29
I'm glad you are feeling better!
post #19 of 29
that's quite a story, and i'm sure if you share it with her someday when she's grown, she will appreciate what an effort you have made to provide her with the best you can do.

one question i have is whether it is absolutely out of the question for you to try to get her back on the breast, even at this late date? i don't have experience with relactating a baby myself, but i also had a slow start and a lot of the early problems you described, and the LC also said we missed the window of opportunity, but i did not give up that last nursing session, and slowly somehow around 3 months old, i found a comfort level with nursing (it didn't hurt anymore) and over time, my baby increased her nursing sessions. she was never exclusively breastfed, but i figured i would make up for that with duration, and she is still nursing today at almost 3 years old, and i'm now pregnant, and she's still going.

do you think there's any way you can entice her to nurse your breast directly? like, if you do one of those nursing vacations where you take an entire morning or an entire day in bed together, you topless, and try to get her to learn to suck. like, maybe pump for a minute and then put your breast in her mouth when you know the milk is right there, and she's hungry for her bottle, and see if you can get her to do it. i found laying in bed together to be the easiest position for nursing. if you are already together overnight, can you find a way to offer then?

also you said she is impatient while you pump. any way you can pump one side, and try to get her to nurse the other side? like maybe show her pictures or a movie of a baby nursing and encourage her to try that too?

seven months is still little, and i know i've read here about even older children successfully relactating. the advantage you have is that you still have milk going in there. if somehow you can get her to latch on (and get rewarded), i'll bet that would bring back supply like no pump ever could.

just some suggestions from a "never give up" standpoint.

i can appreciate your exhaustion.

for me, a turning point in the "battle" mentally was giving myself permission to give up.

once i had that, i no longer wanted to quit.

good luck and don't forget how hard you are trying at all this. that makes you a wonderful mother!!!!
post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions, ElliesMomma. I am, honestly, skeptical that anything would work at this point. Even when we were going at it full force with the Lact-Aid, she wouldn't nurse without the supplement tube there. And even then, she was super fussy and cranky. I had really, really hoped that she would learn to nurse without the Lact-Aid, but that never happened, so I'm doubtful that it would now.

I don't know, maybe we'll try, but I think for my own sanity I just have to let go of the idea of her nursing. I've just cried too many tears over her rejecting the breast already, you know?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Breastfeeding Challenges
Mothering › Forums › Breastfeeding › Breastfeeding Challenges › Am I a loser for not trying harder?