Vaccines and breastfeeding.

[MountainMamaGC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHJHL...eature=related
A neat video referencing studies. Its about 4 min long.

[KimberlyD0]

[Proverbs31]

Why the eye-roll? Breastfeeding is highly-effective protection from invasive bacterial diseases.

[lauradbg]

Isn't it interesting that some of the pharmaceutical companies also manufacture formula? Hmmmmm...

[MountainMamaGC]

I thought it was great. I keep trying to tell people that BFing is excellent protection against quite a few of the things they recommend vaccines for.

[KimberlyD0]

Its only good for them if the mom has had them OR they themselves have had the vaccination.

BF is wonderful.. but it is not all powerful, and it is not embrosia.

I am a BF but I still think a lot is exagerated.

[lauradbg]

Do you think that the antibodies in breast milk are there only because of prior vaccination in the mother?!

Source please...:

[Proverbs31]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Its only good for them if the mom has had them

Or if the mom has asymptomatically-carried them, which virtually everyone did pre-vaccine.

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

I am a BF but I still think a lot is exagerated.

I happen to think it's very underestimated. By the time one is an adult and has children, she's most likely been exposed to just about everything and is immune to most things that are vaccinated against.

BM doesn't just provide passive antibodies/immunity, it also stimulates the child's immune system to produce its own antibodies, thus providing protection for many years to come (as with HIB Swedish and other studies).

[KimberlyD0]

And in order to produce antibodies passed by the mother, the mother must have those antibodies.

So if mom has never had these things she wont have antibodies, and therefore neither will her baby.

BM is wonderful. I am not saying its not. It is a great sorce of many things. However it is a false sence of sucurity to assume that because you BF your child will never have these things and is ammune to them. Because they're not.

Its also shocking to hear the number of people say things like your child will never get sick while BF, or that they wont get ear infections, or they wont become obese. I have seen just as meny children who were BF who are obese and those who were formula fed, in my own children I seen a HUGE difference with the FF vs BF. My first I FF because I wasn't able to BF for many reasons, my second is BF. My first has only had mostly minor illnesses, she didn't get her first cold untill 17-18 months, she is a stick and she is bright as any child in her group. My BF child is huge *not fat. Just big, we'll see where that leads, I think she takes after mommy She has been sick more then healthy, hospitalized 4 times in 10 months. BF babies get sick just as often as FF babies as far as I have seen first hand.

Just look at history. The number of cases and deaths from these illnesses long before formula was even an option. When every child was BF either from mom or wetnurse.

I'm not saying it can't help, I am saying its not 100%. Nor am I suggesting that vaccines are 100%. Some kids they wont work for, we know this, its not a hidden fact. However thats where the herd ammunity came in, those who couldn't have the vaccination, or who it didn't work for, were protected by everyone else. This is the thery

I am also not saying you have to vaccinate your kids, I'm just saying that BF doesn't garentee your child will not get these things.

Now if you can show me a trully science based reasoning behind it then I am open minded, but I have yet to see that. I would have to be sure its credible. Saddly a lot of information of both sides of the issue are not reliable. Its a chore and a half to weed through it all.

I've been doing it for 4+ years now. There is always new information coming out, but I am very picky about what information I trust.

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Just look at history. The number of cases and deaths from these illnesses long before formula was even an option. When every child was BF either from mom or wetnurse.

People also didn't live in separate apartments/houses with running CLEAN water, toilets, etc., etc.

No one is saying that breastmilk protects 100% against everything, and I don't think that anyone on here thinks just because they breastfeed their child will not ever get sick.

And, do we really want to start on herd immunity?

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by kiara7

People also didn't live in separate apartments/houses with running CLEAN water, toilets, etc., etc.

No one is saying that breastmilk protects 100% against everything, and I don't think that anyone on here thinks just because they breastfeed their child will not ever get sick.

And, do we really want to start on herd immunity?

What worries me is I have seen non-vaxers say just that. That if they BF then their child is 100% safe.

I'm still new here so I don't know people very well. Sometimes its seems to be stated even if it isn't word for word kwim?

I just think that statments like that are detrimental to the situation and can lead to more harm then good.

I think we all want the same thing, we want people to be able to make educated choices. I don't think people who don't vaccinate are uneducated in the least. I don't always understand how they have come to the choice they have when I also do a lot of reseach, but I totally resect their right to do so. I sometimes get the impression though that because I choose to vaccinate my children, deleyed, selective, whatever, that people think I am uneducated. I have actually had someone tell me that point blank.

[kiara7]

If one is making an educated decision (whichever one that might be) - more power to them.

Most of us here do not live in any kind of bubble. I think we're all aware of the risks and complications of life.

While bf isn't 100%, it sure beats injecting questionable and downright dangerous substances for many.

[MountainMamaGC]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Its only good for them if the mom has had them OR they themselves have had the vaccination.

BF is wonderful.. but it is not all powerful, and it is not embrosia.

I am a BF but I still think a lot is exagerated.

Where do you get that from?

Hib and PC germs are everywhere and most us dont get sick from it. Chances are you got some of those germs up your nose right now. It not like chicken pox where you have to find someone who has it.

[Th1Th2]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

And in order to produce antibodies passed by the mother, the mother must have those antibodies.

So if mom has never had these things she wont have antibodies, and therefore neither will her baby.

BM is wonderful. I am not saying its not. It is a great sorce of many things. However it is a false sence of sucurity to assume that because you BF your child will never have these things and is ammune to them. Because they're not.


I'm not saying it can't help, I am saying its not 100%. Nor am I suggesting that vaccines are 100%. Some kids they wont work for, we know this, its not a hidden fact. However thats where the herd ammunity came in, those who couldn't have the vaccination, or who it didn't work for, were protected by everyone else. This is the thery

I am also not saying you have to vaccinate your kids, I'm just saying that BF doesn't garentee your child will not get these things.

Now if you can show me a trully science based reasoning behind it then I am open minded, but I have yet to see that. I would have to be sure its credible. Saddly a lot of information of both sides of the issue are not reliable. Its a chore and a half to weed through it all.

I've been doing it for 4+ years now. There is always new information coming out, but I am very picky about what information I trust.

Do you know what antibodies are? It seems to me that you are confusing disease-exposure and antibody production. That in order to have the antibodies, the person must have acquired the diseases first. Is this what you meant?

[Proverbs31]

Breastmilk also provides nonantibody protection from bacterial diseases by coating the digestive tract and inhibiting infection. Google lactoferrin and lactobacillus bifidus, for starters.

[mom2dd]

I also promote the benefits of breastfeeding but I've never heard anyone say it's 100%. I think people are just trying to balance the benefits and risks of vaccinations compared to breastmilk. Proverbs31 and Th1Th2 are on the right track here.

Great video Lydiah!

Cheers,

Michelle

[Th1Th2]

Vaccines are the antagonist of health. So what kind of benefits do vaccines have? Nothing. Breast milk is food, it is a physiologic need for babies. It is essential in normal growth and development. Now, what does a vaccine have? Physiological evidence of diseases injected to the blood stream let alone other contaminants. Having said that, the benefits are non-existent if we talk about poisons like vaccines. It's only worth discussing toxic side effects.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by Proverbs31

Breastmilk also provides nonantibody protection from bacterial diseases by coating the digestive tract and inhibiting infection. Google lactoferrin and lactobacillus bifidus, for starters.

Indeed. Breastmilk is a living substance, with demonstrated immune properties.

http://www.pnas.org/content/92/17/80...df+html?ck=nck

likely been posted here already, if so, please forgive the duplicate. I think it's a pretty good read.

[naupakamama]

I, for one, really liked that video. Some of you are talking about all disease and colds, etc. The women in the video is making the point about bacterial diseases. There is A LOT of evidence that breastmilk is extremely effective in inhibiting bacterial infections. There are natural antibiotics in it that keep our gut flora healthy. Nowhere does this mom say that it is 100%, but many PP are claiming it like she did.

I breastfed until I was 6. I have a crappy immune system - get every virus possible. However, I was 33 before I got my very first (and only) bacterial infection, and it wasn't that bad.

I guess, I don't understand the negativity to this video in this thread?