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post #21 of 39
Honestly there isn't enough information here to condemn her. I think you should continue monitoring their messages. Sometimes adults and kids do hit it off and it is not sexual.
post #22 of 39
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Honestly there isn't enough information here to condemn her. I think you should continue monitoring their messages. Sometimes adults and kids do hit it off and it is not sexual.
Yes I agree this is true, ds has many other adult friends, however this is the only one that has ever given me that sqicky feeling. She has undermined our parental authority more than once. Even if there is no sexual intent, she is crossing boundaries and I will not allow my ds to be the source of her emotional uplift.


We did talk to ds last night, which I will post about later, as I have to go now. All I can say now is that the fixation does seem to be 1-sided.
post #23 of 39
I am not against kids having adult friends. I think it is good and healthy. but none of my adult friends qwould have undermined my parents athourity. They always respected my parents wishes. because they were adults. . . .
post #24 of 39
There really is something weird about this one ... although at 17 I agree that talking to your son is the best approach ...
post #25 of 39
At about the same age I had a wildly inappropriate with a much older man. I wanted my parents help getting out of it - but at the same time, I didn't. I enjoyed the attention, the specialness, and the feeling that this other person was breaking all of these rules for me. When my parents confronted me I told them that they were crazy to think such things.

Yet the healthy part of me then, and certainly every part of me now, wishes that my parents had shut the whole thing down with a hearty "NO WAY, NO HOW!"

If you are worried that confronting her will lead to your son and her sneaking around - then I would confront her with her husband present. After all, he can't think this is a good idea.
post #26 of 39
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At about the same age I had a wildly inappropriate with a much older man. I wanted my parents help getting out of it - but at the same time, I didn't. I enjoyed the attention, the specialness, and the feeling that this other person was breaking all of these rules for me. When my parents confronted me I told them that they were crazy to think such things.

Yet the healthy part of me then, and certainly every part of me now, wishes that my parents had shut the whole thing down with a hearty "NO WAY, NO HOW!"

If you are worried that confronting her will lead to your son and her sneaking around - then I would confront her with her husband present. After all, he can't think this is a good idea.
This too. I didn't relate well to many of my peers, boys my age never asked me out, but grown men hit on me all the time.

On some level I knew it was inappropriate, and I wondered WTH was wrong with me, when, if I had had a better relationship with my parents maybe they could have explained to me something was wrong with the grown men who were interested in me, and who were hoping to take advantage of the fact that I was inexperienced and had nobody to guide me. As it was I just stumbled through my teen years feeling ugly and thinking men were skeezy and weird.

I don't know if I would stage a confrontation with her husband present, though. I would think that situation could get ugly all around and I don't know if you really want to put your ds in that sort of situation not knowing how her dh might react.
post #27 of 39
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I would think that situation could get ugly all around and I don't know if you really want to put your ds in that sort of situation not knowing how her dh might react.
Just to clarify, I would NOT have DS present when I confronted the woman.
post #28 of 39
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Just to clarify, I would NOT have DS present when I confronted the woman.


I'm not even sure I'd confront her with her dh present, even if it's tempting.
Her behavior sounds inappropriate, but until you have actual evidence she's done something outrageous that just seems designed to cause her problems in her marriage, yk?
post #29 of 39
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Well, it's a done deal, we have spoken to both ds and the "friend". We spoke with ds last night, after she was here, after she said she would take our ds as her "brother". DS seemed unpreturbed and kind of oblivious (he is not a demostrative, or emotional kid by nature). We told him what we felt was inappropriate and asked him how he felt. He said the attention didn't really bother him, but had no objections to our limiting his contact with her. We said he might need to "defriend" her on fb and he said fine. Then he started talking about something else. He seemed completely relaxed.

Dh and I decided that even though these encounters do not appear to have led to anything serious yet, it still needs to be nipped in the bud. As long as we treat her as we always have we are in a way approving of her acting this way toward ds, and we just won't allow it, even having spoken with ds about it. I decided to confront her, but did not know when. For better or worse she could tell I was not acting right and asked me what was wrong. I let her have it and it was just awful. She said she had no inappropriate feelings for ds, but wanted to be someone he could confide in. She said she thought she was being a friend to him. She was very apologetic and remorseful, and acknowledged the inappropriatness of their contacts. I think it especially hit home for her when I asked her how she'd feel if I did the same stuff to her son.

She has removed ds from her friends list and has agreed to only supervised contact. She also displayed a lot of self-pity, which I can't deal with right now. Her dh was not present, how she works this out with him is their business. My regret is how this may effect her kids, and certainly their relationship with mine.

Thank you to everyone that posted here offering me support and advice. I am grateful for all opinions, as I really needed the time to gain some clarity on this issue before acting. I think we did the right thing, even with the necessary losses involved. My mama-bear claws have retracted, but the hurt is deep. I'm just glad my son is safe.
post #30 of 39
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She said she had no inappropriate feelings for ds, but wanted to be someone he could confide in
This kinda struck a cord with me. When I was a teenager I had an older male friend. Nothing inappropriate was going on, but my parents often thought there was. This was way before the days of Face Book and such so there was no way they could have gotten the wrong idea through reading our chats since mostly we talked face to face or over the phone.

One night when I was 16 or 17, I got really drunk at a party and my friends were also trashed. I couldn't call my parents of course. I ended up calling my older friend who came and got me and I slept at his house. Meanwhile two of my friends who decided to drive drunk ended up having a wreck. One was left paraplegic and the other was fine. If I had been in the car who knows what would have happened since I probably wouldn't have been wearing a seat belt.

I guess what I'm trying to say is... sometimes it is a blessing when you are young to have someone older who is 'cool and hip' that you can depend on.

My kids don't have older friends, but wouldn't think much about it if they did.
post #31 of 39
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She said she had no inappropriate feelings for ds, but wanted to be someone he could confide in

Glad everything worked out with you Tigeresse. However in reply to this as well as what ArielMomma said, this can also be false. Older people or just people in general use this excuse when confronted with a situation like this. It'd be hard to take here word for it if I were in your situation. But maybe that's how she really feels, but her actions are something completely different. Maybe he made her feel younger? I think your son has a close enough relationship with you and your husband to confide in.
Yes, this is how I feel as well. I told her I have hard time believing she did not realize what she was doing was inappropriate. She played dumb and made me spell everything out, and could not answer me when I asked her why she had ds do the FB quiz about her.


I do feel that if ds were in a situation like the one described by ArielMomma, that he would call us. If he needs another adult to confide in, he knows plenty that he could trust and who would also support him appropriately. I swear he seems so much more relaxed since we put a stop to this. He's less moody and chattier. I think he may actually be relieved.
post #32 of 39
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I swear he seems so much more relaxed since we put a stop to this. He's less moody and chattier. I think he may actually be relieved.
I am very impressed - I think you did very well in a difficult situation.
post #33 of 39
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I swear he seems so much more relaxed since we put a stop to this. He's less moody and chattier. I think he may actually be relieved.
You are probably right. I mean, for him, it might have seemed like a big burden was lifted. Yeah, the attention is "nice" but it is also inappropriate and doesn't feel quite right!

You did the right thing. Even if you exploded at her, at least it is out in the open with her.

Even if this ends the friendship, oh well, that's life. It's unfortunate, but everyone will be OK.
post #34 of 39
Wow Tigresse...I have to say I am so impressed by how you and your DH handled this!! You really deserve the "parents of the year' award for this one. Hands down.

Give yourselves a big pat on the back and a hug from me! You kept your cool w/your DS and involved him in the process without getting him on the defensive or coming across as accusatory. Way to navigate a minefield!!!

Anyways, a big and a sigh of relief!!! I think you handled the 'friend' well too, and I think her reaction was telling of her a)obliviousness (not good) or b)intentions (worse).

Good for you!!!!
post #35 of 39
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Thanks, everybody. This was definitely one of the hardest things I have had to do in long time.
post #36 of 39
Great job, Mama!!

Her saying that she 'wanted to be someone he could confide in' just screams that she wanted to undermine YOU and your DH, at least that is how I did/would take it. I just cannot ever imagine myself being in any situation where I would be going out of my way to try to be someone else's (a friend's) child's confidant- but maybe that's just me. Sounds like that was just a cover-up excuse/story.

Interesting that the younger siblings were all noticing things, too. Very telling.
post #37 of 39
I'm so so glad you spoke to her and that she's out of his life. My brother had a very inappropriate relationship with a much older married woman when he was in his late teens. I actually saw her the other day and wanted to punch her. I believe she severely damaged how he deals with women.

It sounds like your whole family is better off since you put an end to this. Good job, mama.
post #38 of 39
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We have been gone for the weekend, it was so nice to get away from this situation for a few days.

Although I have compassion for her and her plight, I cannot get sucked into the drama. Her dh does know, and this has obviously caused a lot of damage. Our paths cross all the time, and her kids and my younger ones want to get together. Is there any way to continue this contact without getting sucked into it and making sure everyone is safe?
post #39 of 39
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Is there any way to continue this contact without getting sucked into it and making sure everyone is safe?
I think you have done what you need to do. Ds knows you are aware of the situation and that he can come to you if he is uncomfortable. He is old enough to take it from here. Friend is aware that you are not happy about what has been going on and that you probably don’t want to be around her or spend time with her. I imagine this will turn into a very “surface” relationship, and you can just let it go. I agree you don’t want to get sucked up into her drama.
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