Wow...um, unexpected facial asymmetry **Pictures added - Page 2

[2bluefish]

Originally Posted by AuntG

Are you talking about children? Adult sacrums are definitely fused.

I'm talking about adults and children. I just googled though and it is all over the web that the bones are fused - so I don't know where the chiro got that mainstream medical is accepting that they are not fused now. I get my sacrum adjusted all the time.

The theory of cranial sacral is that the "fused" bones are still able to move:

"The sacrum and skull bones move slightly 24 hours a day, creating a pumping action that moves the cerebrospinal fluid from the brain to the sacrum and back." http://www.neckbackandbeyond.com/therapies/cst.htm

[AuntG]

I guess they're talking about movement of the sacroiliac joint.

I was holding a sacrum in my hands just this very morning (had midterm exams ) and the "vertebra" are definitely fused. It does indeed start out as five separate bones but after it fuses, it is counted as one. If not, then we would be said to have 210 bones.


ETA: I know this is getting waaay off topic but can I just say how sick I am of studying bones! The end of this semester can not come soon enough for me!

[AuntLavender]

My son has facial hypotonia and he was checked for something missing on his 22nd chromosome

but according to the FISH test he had done he has all his chromosomes and nothing is missing on his 22nd chromosome. The geneticist said he had a flat nasal bridge and soft ears and soles of his feet like a preemie among other things. I don't see anything asymetrical but then I never checked! LOL!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97reddodge/2489258843/ Not the best photo since he's raising his eyebrows and giving a "power smile!" LOL!

[AndVeeGeeMakes3]

Originally Posted by AuntLavender

but according to the FISH test he had done he has all his chromosomes and nothing is missing on his 22nd chromosome. The geneticist said he had a flat nasal bridge and soft ears and soles of his feet like a preemie among other things. I don't see anything asymetrical but then I never checked! LOL!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97reddodge/2489258843/ Not the best photo since he's raising his eyebrows and giving a "power smile!" LOL!

cute pic - and congrats on the grant!!!! that's wonderful.

[2boyzmama]

Okay, I finally uploaded the pictures of the boys.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Connor's face the way it is, it was just shocking to me to turn the grid lines on and see the asymmetry. I still think he's exceptionally good looking (I may have just a tiny bit of bias, I admit!)

And check out my HAM of a four year old!!!! (well, he'll be 4 next week anyway) We've never had a bad picture of Ian!

[2boyzmama]

Originally Posted by TwinsTwicePlusTwo

I was on your blog and Connor is absolutely adorable!

Thanks

Originally Posted by bdavis337

How does the a-symmetry apply to his genetic syndrome, if at all?

I just know that it's very common, to a degree that's noticeable above and beyond the "normal" asymmetry of the general population. It has to do with the craniofacial involvement of the syndrome. For Connor, since his left side is more severely effected, it also means his hearing is worse on his left, he gets more frequent infections in his left ear, etc.

Originally Posted by kalkiwendy

Grace's face is definitely asymmetrical. Look at her RED hair!!! There's red hair spattered throughout my husband's family, so I always wondered if I'd get a red head...

It does bother me a bit, but, well, what am I going to do? Oh well. But I totally know how you feel. Add one more thing, right? Ugh. But, I'll just call it character . . . .



On another note: zoiks girl! your abs look better preggo than mine have since I was 18 and a professional ballet dancer!!!

Thank you for the comment on my abs...I worked dang hard for them!!! I was a gymnast as a kid, so that built my core, but after having two rather large babies back to back, it took a ot of work!!

Originally Posted by Lollybrat

I looked at your blog and I think both of your boys are adorable.
...
By the way, my son loves "Chuck a Puck" at the Bombers games too! But he's terrified of Bucky.

Thanks, I'm sure I'm biased, but I think they're good looking kids

Ian LOVED chuck a puck, and liked bucky from a distance, but I'm sure up close he'd think different! He thinks the same of Heater from the dragons games...we met him once at Children's when Connor was there, and Ian hid behind me!

Do you live in Dayton???

Originally Posted by AuntLavender

but according to the FISH test he had done he has all his chromosomes and nothing is missing on his 22nd chromosome. The geneticist said he had a flat nasal bridge and soft ears and soles of his feet like a preemie among other things. I don't see anything asymetrical but then I never checked! LOL!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/97reddodge/2489258843/ Not the best photo since he's raising his eyebrows and giving a "power smile!" LOL!

Do you still suspect a chromosome issue? Because the testing has gotten better and better, you can always test again. Do a microarray instead of a FISH.



Thanks everyone. I'm okay with this, really, it was just surprising.

[Tofu the Geek]

I took a look at your boys 2boyzmama, and seriously, they are gorgeous! In all honestly, I see no asymmetry and nothing "odd" about Connor's face. I have no idea what your mom's co-worker was seeing (or thinking for saying that!).

AuntLavender, that is a great pic! It seems from your son's pic that geneticists see what they are trained to see (which is good for their field of work!). I don't see anything different with his nasal bridge nor his ears (heck, I don't even know what soft ears are!). Very cute little boy!

And that pic of the little red haired girl, so cute! Love her gorgeous eyes!

Very cute kids in this thread!

[HarperRose]

My dh has one ear lower than the other. I tease him. It's not noticeable, really. Ds1 has one ear that's sticky-out. Also not a big deal.

I think your boys are just the cutest!

[2bluefish]

AuntG, a dead bone is very different from a live bone in the way that it moves. I'm sure you weren't hold a live sacrum in your hand. YMMV I'm just a little passionate about it cause my OT and I have been working with Juju's bones with the understanding that they are dynamic not rigid like dead bone, and it is making all the difference!!

[AuntG]

I still think that your kids, along with all our kids, look fine and any asymmetry is perfectly normal. You also have to remember that the lens of the camera is not perfect. Anyway, great pictures! I especially like the glam shot of him looking over his shoulder! So cute!

My partner was just sitting here reading over my shoulder and he said "Oh boy! You should post a picture of my ear!" Poor guy has one ear that sits nicely against his head and another that sticks out like the wing of a large hanglider just waiting to catch an updraft!!!


2Bluefish, live bones are just as rigid as dead ones, in that they can only move at articulations. Otherwise, they wouldn't be very effective at being bones. Now, secondary ossification, lengthening, isn't complete until about age 25, sooner for females. And during that pocess alot of fusing takes place too. Children have more bones than adults because the fusing process has not completed. Juju's sacrum is not fused yet. Right. So it articulates just like the vertebral column. None of this negates the effectiveness of the therapy you are doing. In fact, maybe we could start another thread and you could tell me more about that!

[2bluefish]

Originally Posted by AuntG

2Bluefish, live bones are just as rigid as dead ones,

We'll have to agree to disagree on that fact.

[sunnmama]

Originally Posted by 2boyzmama

Okay, I finally uploaded the pictures of the boys.

I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Connor's face the way it is, it was just shocking to me to turn the grid lines on and see the asymmetry. I still think he's exceptionally good looking (I may have just a tiny bit of bias, I admit!)

And check out my HAM of a four year old!!!! (well, he'll be 4 next week anyway) We've never had a bad picture of Ian!

Both of your boys are gorgeous.

To be honest, only because it was pointed out, I do see slight asymmetry in your ds's face...but no more than in my face or my dc's (I draw portraits of my children, and I am very aware of the slightest asymmetry!). I think that asymmetry is pretty common, and his doesn't stand out as abnormal at all.

But then again, his one shoulder is much higher than the other in the picture...so maybe the photo isn't as straight-on as it seems? His face could be tilted just enough to make it seem more asymmetrical than it really is.

But, regardless, beautiful little boy!

[daytripper75]

Originally Posted by LavenderMae

I checked out your blog and honestly (I'm not just being nice ) I don't see it. I guess I don't have a good eye for it or something. I think he is adorable (so is his older brother).

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[AuntG]

I'm sorry to keep interrupting this forum with an off-topic post but 2Bluefish, I don't understand what you're saying... are you saying that you know of a way in which a bone can move that does not involve a joint?

[sunnmama]

Craniosacral is about the "fused" bones not actually being rigidly fused in live bone. Practitioners believe their is some remaining "give" in these fused edges, even though adulthood.

[2bluefish]

Originally Posted by sunnmama

Craniosacral is about the "fused" bones not actually being rigidly fused in live bone. Practitioners believe their is some remaining "give" in these fused edges, even though adulthood.

Thanks for clarifying that! Not that they move like a full fledged joint, but that they can be moved.

[ShadowLark]

Honestly, I couldn't see it. In fact I had to double check about who was who in the single pics - your boys are GORGEOUS, and they look just alike!
And OMG, Grace is GORGEOUS! Red curls and green eyes - I am JEALOUS!

[lil_stinkyfeet]

I don't see any asymmetry either
Your boys are both very good looking

[becoming]

So, I just looked at your blog, and I cannot understand why someone would say he looks odd. He *honestly* looks perfectly normal to me. I would never have guessed that anything was different about him. He just looks like a normal adorable little boy.

[PGTlatte]

I am also surprised someone would make that comment. I don't see anything in his face that I would expect anyone to notice as unusual at all. And your boys are gorgeous !!!!!

BTW I am not symmetrical...one eye is larger and lower than the other, one eyebrow is higher than the other, and my ears aren't on straight, so that when I get new glasses, the tech has quite a time getting the earpieces adjusted so they will appear to sit on my face straight, and I keep my sunglasses for years even after they are scratched because it is such a pain to fiddle with a new pair to get them to sit right on my crooked face. Other than that issue, my facial assymmetry has never cause me any issues and never attracts any attention except when my glasses get messed up. People say "your glasses are bent" and I'm like, no, my face is bent !

Originally Posted by becoming

So, I just looked at your blog, and I cannot understand why someone would say he looks odd. He *honestly* looks perfectly normal to me. I would never have guessed that anything was different about him. He just looks like a normal adorable little boy.