HIB vaccination and ER visit

[Lollicup]

On Monday, my daughter received one vacs which was HIB. It was her third (and last!) dose.

For the first 2 days following the vaccination, she was her normal self, no reactions whatsoever. This evening, she spiked a temp of nearly 105. My DF said he legs were wobbly, and I'm thinking GBS. At the ER tonight, the conclusion came from the doctor saying it wasn't the HIB vacs. My LO has been extremely healthy since birth. We have been sick 3x's in our household and she didn't get anything from us. I take her to get her 3rd HIB, and she comes down with a fever, has a runny nose, red eyes, and looks terrible.

I am frightening and scared right now, that she might have HIB herself, or something serious.

Please put my mind to ease if you can. I have been crying all night and feel like I have made my daughter sick. It's scary to see my DD like this because she has always been so healthy. I don't know what tomorrow will bring and I am so scared. Please educate me.

[saintmom]

Sounds like a vax reaction to me,but what do I know I'm just a mom:

Get the make and lot # of all the vaxes that were given.Report it on the VAERS web site.

You can educate yourself.The archives on the vax forum are a good place to start.

Read the package inserts.Find out which ones can cause the reaction your child is having.

You have the right to refuse vaccinations.

[Marnica]

Sorry this has happened and you are scared.

Chances are there will be no long term damage but I agree with pp. Sounds like a reaction to me. Are you really suprised the doc is saying it is not a vaccine reaction? There is a ton of info on here and you can educate yourself like PP said.

Also keep in mind that vax reactions tend to increase with more doses. Even if she seems fine after this incident I would be concerned about future more serious reactions. If I was you I would hightail it to a homeopath or naturopath and get some remedies to help your daughter's system deal with any potential damage the vaccine may have caused. Good luck and hang in there.

[carriebft]

Gullain Barre doesn't really mimic a cold in any way. do her legs seem weak? is it spreading upward? did you talk to the docs about it at the hospital? what did they say?


runny nose, red eyes, fever, 3 days after vax seems to me like you caught a cold at the docs.

[Lollicup]

How do I report this? Do you have a link?

[carriebft]

http://vaers.hhs.gov/

[Lollicup]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Sorry this has happened and you are scared.

Chances are there will be no long term damage but I agree with pp. Sounds like a reaction to me. Are you really suprised the doc is saying it is not a vaccine reaction? There is a ton of info on here and you can educate yourself like PP said.

Also keep in mind that vax reactions tend to increase with more doses. Even if she seems fine after this incident I would be concerned about future more serious reactions. If I was you I would hightail it to a homeopath or naturopath and get some remedies to help your daughter's system deal with any potential damage the vaccine may have caused. Good luck and hang in there.

Well, it was a homeopath who gave the injection. I remember the 2nd shot, 3 months ago, my LO was fussy, but she also had a bad diaper rash.

What kinds of damage could be caused? I am so scared.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

Well, it was a homeopath who gave the injection. I remember the 2nd shot, 3 months ago, my LO was fussy, but she also had a bad diaper rash.

What kinds of damage could be caused? I am so scared.

WHAAAA???? What kind of homeopath is that?????? I have seen dozens of homeopaths/naturopaths over the years and they do not reccomend vaccines. Vaccines go against the entire philosophy that homeopathy is built on. Whoever you are seeing is not a calssical homeopath. Id find another one or a naturopath that deals with vaccine damage.

Carrie asked about the leg weakness....Id be curious too. Is
there definite weakness?? Just relax and take a breath. Like I said chances are she will be fine, but I know you are scared. It could be that her immune system is working to expel the toxins from the vaccines...

[Lollicup]

Just wanted to note that I started vaccinating at 6m and I think I am done for now. My LO has only had 1 DTaP and this last dose of HIB. Yes, the HIB vaccination did cause more reaction with each dose.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by Lollicup

Well, it was a homeopath who gave the injection. I remember the 2nd shot, 3 months ago, my LO was fussy, but she also had a bad diaper rash.

What kinds of damage could be caused? I am so scared.

I do not have any specific information for you. But I could not *not* send you a virtual hug. It sounds very scary. Write everything down if it helps you feel better. It might also help you to have something to refere to with your personal experience when you start reading up and trying to make future vaccination decisions. I am sure it is all quite overwhelming at the moment.

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[carriebft]

I agree with Marnica, if there is leg weakness take her in again. If they looked at that last night and found no issue, then I wouldn't worry about that. But if you didn't mention it and you think it's present, I would go to your doc.

[Marnica]

Sorry but that still blows my mind. I have never come across any homeopath that will inject children with vaccines. They may respect parental choice, but will tell you if you want vaccines you have to get them elsewhere. So have you consulted with her about this?? What does she think is going on??

[Spectrolite]

hang in there.... hold her tight...snuggles and kisses. comfort for you both
i'm sure she'll be just fine!!

[Ophelia]

I would definitely get the lot# and report to VAERS and check into Marnica's suggestion about seeing someone else to help her. Keep detailed notes on EVERYTHING.

runny nose, red eyes, fever, 3 days after vax seems to me like you caught a cold at the docs.

But a fever of close to 105...for a COLD? I never heard of that. Unless it is a cold PLUS something else going on seems more plausible to me.

I did read Dr. Lauren Feder's book last year. I do recall at least one piece of misinformation and it had to do with either the flu shot or how many people 'die of the flu every year'. She got the #s directly from the CDC and we all know the CDC's fuzzy math when it comes to some VAD's.
I believe she is an MD who has also studied homeopathy.

[shuttlt]

Perhaps I'm confusing the situation further, but isn't there such a thing as a homeopathic vaccination... different to the allopathic kind of course.

[an_domhan]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Perhaps I'm confusing the situation further, but isn't there such a thing as a homeopathic vaccination... different to the allopathic kind of course.

nosode, not injected

[Ophelia]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Perhaps I'm confusing the situation further, but isn't there such a thing as a homeopathic vaccination... different to the allopathic kind of course.

Yes, there are 'homeopathic' vaccines, or nosodes. I'm guessing the OP's child DID get the actual shot. I'm positive that Dr. Feder is an MD so she would be licensed to give shots (or her nurse at the office).

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=787545

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=706334 (post 7 specifically)

[FernG]

I know who Lauren Fedder is. Her vaccine book is great - easy to read and antivaccine. I think that she is also an MD, right? But she believes in homeopathic medicine and theory. She has a section in her book that is very similar to "What your doctor might not tell you about vaccinations" regarding how to vaccinate as safely as possible (e.g., boosting the immune system, never vaccinating while sick, etc.).

Anyway, chances are that your DD will be fine. I would keep close tabs on her and reconsider your vaccine schedule. Has your doctor given you any advice for boosting her immune system or helping her expel toxins?

[Scattershoot]

At the ER tonight, the conclusion came from the doctor saying it wasn't the HIB vacs

The odds of an ER doctor saying it was a vaccine reaction are almost zero. They definitely won't report it then. My brother-in-law got a tetanus shot and that very same night half his face was paralyzed. He couldn't shut his eye or mouth. He constantly drooled for several days and had to wear a patch. He eventually got everything back to normal. He went to the doctor, who administered the shot, and that doctor said no way it was a vaccine reaction. No way. The doctor said he got a virus and called it Bell's Palsy.

See how that works. That's why vaccine reactions are so rare. Follow up with VAERS if you can.

Good luck. I'm sure your baby will be fine. Fevers are a good sign the body is knocking it out.

[anewmama]

Can I piggy back on this thread? Here is what happened to my daughter 3 days after HiB shot. Caveat, the week before, 2 kids at her daycare unexpectedly threw up. And there is a tummy flu/bug going around my work (maybe?). What do you all think about a reaction? She only received the one shot.

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My daughter had a HiB vax last Monday. She is 22.5 months old. She had no reactions whatsoever. However, on Friday, she started vomiting and could not keep anything down all day, even water. She did not have a fever. Saturday morning, she ate a good breakfast and seemed better, Saturday night, she developed a fever and then subsequently had one all day Sunday, up and down. It finally broke Sunday night in the night sometime. On Saturday, Sunday and Monday, she has had few BM's. She is typically a 3-4 a day gal! She only went once a day and it was loose and orangish.

I know that the vax reactions are supposed to occur primarily after 72 hours, however, all of the symptoms she is showing are also vax reactions for Hib vax. It was also odd that when she was throwing up, she did not have a fever and only developed one the following night.

Thoughts? Could it be a reaction? She is still off (it's now Tuesday), is irritable (another symptom of vax reaction according the ActHib insert), is sleeping horribly and only will sleep on me and super clingy. But she no longer has a fever and has not vomited since last Friday.


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note, on Tuesday she was much better and woke up quite happy and hungry on Wednesday.