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Government data indicate the flu shot is more necessary than ever

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http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...xid=rss-health

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Government data indicate that the flu shot is more necessary than ever. The rate of flu deaths among children, while not high, are continuing to rise — more than 80 deaths were recorded in the 2007-2008 flu season, according to the CDC — highlighting the potential benefit of vaccination.

Yet a new study published Oct. 6 in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine suggests otherwise — that the flu shot in children doesn't necessarily protect them from illness. Led by Dr. Peter Szilagyi, researchers at University of Rochester studied 414 children aged 5 and younger, who came down with the flu during the 2003-2004 or 2004-2005 flu seasons. These children were compared with over 5,000 controls who did not have influenza during the same seasons. Turns out that flu shots seemed not to make much difference: Kids who got immunized did not get the flu at lower rates than unvaccinated kids. In fact, the immunized youngsters were just as likely to be hospitalized or to visit the doctor as kids who never received the vaccine.

But before you decide to skip the flu shot this year, experts warn that results of flu studies like this are all about design. Depending on how a particular trial is set up — which populations are studied, which vaccine is used and how many subjects are included — the results can vary, and quite significantly. The Rochester study, for example, happened to look at the effectiveness of a vaccine during two seasons in which the flu strain included in the vaccine was not well matched to the predominant circulating strain that was making people sick. That could explain the lack of protection among the vaccinees — the shot may have been protecting against the wrong flu proteins.
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"More necessary than ever" is an interesting way of referring to a vaccine that was considered "not necessary at all" just a few years ago.
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The rate of flu deaths among children, while not high, are continuing to rise — more than 80 deaths were recorded in the 2007-2008 flu season, according to the CDC
...uuhh...as vaccine uptake among children increases?
Not that I think the vax causes flu deaths, but you better believe that if the flu death rate was decreasing, it would be attributed to in the increase in vaccine uptake.

What's good for the goose...
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...uuhh...as vaccine uptake among children increases?
Not that I think the vax causes flu deaths, but you better believe that if the flu death rate was decreasing, it would be attributed to in the increase in vaccine uptake.

What's good for the goose...
Good point!
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
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...uuhh...as vaccine uptake among children increases?
Not that I think the vax causes flu deaths, but you better believe that if the flu death rate was decreasing, it would be attributed to in the increase in vaccine uptake.

What's good for the goose...


It was fascinating that even without support that it actually helps kids (kids!), somehow it still circled round to how important everyone being vaccinated for flu really was. Fascinating.
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
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...uuhh...as vaccine uptake among children increases?
Not that I think the vax causes flu deaths, but you better believe that if the flu death rate was decreasing, it would be attributed to in the increase in vaccine uptake.

What's good for the goose...
I agree. The flu vax doesn't directly cause the flu deaths, but I would say that all the vaxes kids receive are killing their immune systems and rendering them completely unable to fight diseases.
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http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...xid=rss-health

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Government data indicate that the flu shot is more necessary than ever. The rate of flu deaths among children, while not high, are continuing to rise — more than 80 deaths were recorded in the 2007-2008 flu season, according to the CDC — highlighting the potential benefit of vaccination.

Um... "continuing to rise"? I don't think its possible to make that statement - the CDC only started collecting data on flu deaths in children, what two, three years ago? How can you be certain of a "rise" much less a continuance of a rise from only three points of data?

Ok, I was wrong, they have tracked this data a little longer. So we have:

2003-2004: 153 deaths
2004-2005 47
2005-2006: 46
2006-2007: 74

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...deaths/?page=2

and 2007-2008 was something around 80 or so. What is concerning is that an increasing percentage of flu deaths are in kids with co-infections with staph, mostly MRSA. MRSA, of course is the love child of our affair with over-using antibiotics.
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Oh wow ... Can you say doublespeak? How dense do they think we are, seriously?
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Originally Posted by LindsayK View Post
Um... "continuing to rise"? I don't think its possible to make that statement - the CDC only started collecting data on flu deaths in children, what two, three years ago? How can you be certain of a "rise" much less a continuance of a rise from only three points of data?

Ok, I was wrong, they have tracked this data a little longer. So we have:

2003-2004: 153 deaths
2004-2005 47
2005-2006: 46
2006-2007: 74

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...deaths/?page=2

and 2007-2008 was something around 80 or so. What is concerning is that an increasing percentage of flu deaths are in kids with co-infections with staph, mostly MRSA. MRSA, of course is the love child of our affair with over-using antibiotics.

Don't forget Prevnar's probable role in contributing to the MRSA epidemic.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...-vaccines-iii/


http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/6/716

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Conclusions
Streptococcus pneumoniae carriage, specifically of vaccine-type strains, is negatively associated with S aureus carriage in children. The implications of these findings in the pneumococcal vaccine era require further investigation.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1482988

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If the association is causal and acquisition of S. pneumoniae eradicates S. aureus carriage, then use of pneumococcal vaccines may eliminate the “protective” effect of S. pneumoniae against S. aureus carriage and an increase in S. aureus carriage will follow. Increased S. aureus otitis media has been observed among vaccinees in a pneumococcal conjugate vaccine randomized trial (23). Whether the current increase in severe community-acquired S. aureus infections, including methicillin-resistant S. aureus (6), is partially caused by the recent introduction of the pneumococcal conjugate vaccine is yet to be determined.
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