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Did I chase away my in laws?

post #1 of 23
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My husband, daughter and I live right in between our home towns. Each is about an hour and half drive away. Over the years my family has become closer to my daughter and makes the trip to visit us more often each year. My parents have tried to adopt our parenting techniques - my Mom actually told me recently that she wishes she had had the ideas, books, and support I have because I'm doing a much better job with my daughter than she had done with my brother and I. My Dad drives to have at least one weekly visit, take care of my daughter, take us our to lunch, help us renovate our house, etc.

My in laws, however, have come to visit less and less. It's been a hard few years for them - health, time management, and family crisis makes it hard for them to take a day away -but at this point they don't even call us more than once a month. Even when we visit them they're busy, distant, and disengaged. When our child (all four grandparents' first grandchild) was born my father in law was so enamored of her his co-workers started to call him by his chosen grandfather name. She was his everything. He would talk about the day she's old enough for him to have her all on his own - an afternoon at the park, or full day sleepover. My mother in law was the first person I felt comfortable leaving our baby with. Now, however, there's so much tension. I know my mother in law is uncomfortable with the parenting choices we've made. She think we're to accommodating, to soft, and to protective. Our daughter is a highly communicative, bright and sensitive person. She does need a light touch. My mother in law seems to think I could parent this sensitivity out of her if I firmly told her only happy expression of emotions were allowed, and that she always had to do as I say without questioning authority. I've heard my father in law telling his wife to "let them work it out" when we were trying to negotiate one of my daughter's temper tantrums. It seems like they're both afraid of doing of saying the wrong thing - we've tried to share with them a few simple guidelines around gentle discipline (ie: pretend you're talking to a cherished co-worker who's upset over something important), but they're unwilling to learn a new set of skills. So they've withdrawn from us. When I met my husband he talk about how close and supportive his family is (seems to both of us now that was just the family line - in general talk seems more important than action to that group of people.) I'm sad for him. It feels like he's loosing his family.
I'm also sad for my daughter, who's missing out on a great relationship with wonderful loving grandparents, and for my in laws whose hopes and dreams around grand parenthood have seemed squashed under my idealism. At the same time I DO feel protective of my daughter around them. I dont want to leave her with them for more than an afternoon - I'm afraid their insensitivity will wear her out and further damage their relationship. Talking directly about he problem scares them away. Suggesting books is completely infective, even snobbish. Modeling our parenting choices got us into this mess. Inviting them to join our lives at our home doesn't work (they dont come).

And maybe I'm imagining it all. My husband and I have both certainly noticed the contrast between my family (who we used to assume were the scattered, inattentive ones) and his. Last time we visited my husbands parents my mother in law told me how nice it is to be so close an open with me - because she's having trouble connecting with her other daughter in law. Maybe I'm just expecting to much from them.
post #2 of 23
I think some people come to grandparenting (or parenting, for that matter) with expectations and others take a 'we'll handle it as it comes' attitude and are able to be more flexible about having a relationship.

I don't have a lot of ideas, but I can understand your conflicted feelings about what's going on. We always though dh's family would be way more involved than they actually are because they're only 20 minutes away and because of lots of things they said before we were even close to having children. We see them maybe once a month, or every other month, and we usually have to initiate that. I think there was an expectation from them that we'd just drop off our kid there and leave them alone or be carting them there whenever they wanted or something. They're very loving and pretty good with their time with dd, but don't always recognize safety concerns or relate to the way she expresses being tired or overstimulated or is struggling well (and honestly, sort of exacerbate those problems). My family lives 6 hours away and sometimes it feels they've spent a lot more time with us as a family, and they naturally do things very much the way dh & I try to which does make a difference in dd's comfort level (and ours as well).

I think as kids get older, a lot of things can change and become less of a problem than in these younger years. I think the best thing is to keep treating your daughter the way she needs, and hope they'll catch your lead in some way.
Don't defend your choices, just explain things (if necessary) as being the way they need to be.
post #3 of 23
Do they actually treat your daughter in a way you don't like, or do they just think you should be more strict?
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by nermal View Post
When I met my husband he talk about how close and supportive his family is

I'm sad for him. It feels like he's loosing his family.

I'm also sad for my daughter, who's missing out on a great relationship with wonderful loving grandparents, and for my in laws whose hopes and dreams around grand parenthood have seemed squashed under my idealism.

At the same time I DO feel protective of my daughter around them. I dont want to leave her with them for more than an afternoon - I'm afraid their insensitivity will wear her out and further damage their relationship.
I think restricting your dp's relationship with his family - and your dd's with her grandparents on that side - by holding everyone to your high parenting ideals is a losing situation for all of you, dd included. It is sad for your dp, and he may someday be resentful that you played a part in it. It is sad for your dd who - by your own words - is missing out on a great relationship with wonderful loving grandparents.

What exactly are you protecting her from? What would they do that would hurt her? You said you think they'd wear her out; I don't understand what you mean by that. And I'm not sure how you could realistically worry about them damaging their relationship with her - you are keeping her from having one so how could it be damaged?

How old is dd? She is your only so far and fairly young, correct? I really do remember how strongly I felt when my dd1 was young, and how it seemed so important that my MIL change to accommodate what I thought was best in regards to dd. I now have three kids, oldest is almost 13, and MIL suffers with dementia. I am ENDLESSLY glad - for dd, for my dp, and for MIL - that I didn't draw that line that kept them from having a relationship. My dd wasn't damaged from our differences. Food, religion, sleep - none of it had any lasting negative effect on her, much as it used to get ME riled up.

You don't mention what exactly the in-laws do that has you worried enough that it is affecting the ability for dp and dd to have a relationship with them, but I'd think long and hard about whether it is REALLY worth it. If you parent the way that you think best the 95% of the time that she is with you, and they do things differently the 5% of the time that she may be with them - will that really undo your ideals?
post #5 of 23
I am sorry you guys are going through this. My experience with this is that having a child brings out things in your family members that you would never have expected. It it also really brought to light for me what it means to "be close" or "open" as a family. I realized that what it meant to me wasn't what it meant to other family members. I think it is easier to have a more superficial relationship, even if it seems like it is good, before you have kids. Once there is a grandchild, feelings and intentions seem much more raw - we have strong ideas about parenting, about what kind of relationship our kids will have with their grandparent, how involved they will be, etc. - and they do, too. I found my ideas just didn't match up to the reality. I felt hurt and concerned about what type of relationship my son would have with his grandparents. I found it helpful to let it go - do what you feel is right as a parent, leave the door open and then let the relationship be what it will be. I was amazingly surprised when one set of grandparents turned out to be more involved, more loving, more playful than I had ever imagined they would be. I have struggled with disappointment because another set of grandparents turned out to be far less involved and interested than I thought they would be. I have tried really hard to accept that it is what it is.

Also, my son has three sets of grandparents, and they all do some things differently than I would. Unless it is hugely traumatic (obviously things like no spanking or no CIO), I have chosen to let them have the interaction, and then talk about it with my son. I think it is OK for kids to learn that different people are going to treat them differently and have different expectations. In life, not everyone is going to becoming from the same perspective as we do as parents and I don't think we should really shield them from that. It has lead to some good discussions between my son and I.
post #6 of 23
At the same time I DO feel protective of my daughter around them. I don't want to leave her with them for more than an afternoon - I'm afraid their insensitivity will wear her out and further damage their relationship. Talking directly about he problem scares them away. Suggesting books is completely infective, even snobbish.

Well, yes, suggesting they read a book (parenting book?) seems snobby to me, too! Maybe even jaw-droppingly arrogant, if you even indirectly made a prerequisite to being with their grandchild.

I'm curious, too, how they're wearing her out. They're not abusive? Letting the inlaws wear her out periodically really isn't going to hurt her. Even if they're schlepping her around all afternoon till she's over-tired and fussing. Then they'll have a fussy little kid on their hands, which is their problem. Obviously I'm speculating as to what you're referring to.

Let them create their own relationship with her. I completely understand the strong urge to be the gate-keeper, the one who controls completely what affects your child. She's been entirely in your control. They're probably pretty nice people in their own right and have something different to contribute to her, different from you.

Just call them up and ask them if they'd mind a visit with her. Let them spend some time with her on their own terms.
post #7 of 23
Unless they are abusive/toxic, I think that it is good for children to be exposed to different adults. One of life's lessons is that there are different rules in different places, and different expectations from different people. Different people can also teach us different things and show us different points of view. An afternoon at the park with grandparents is not going to undo all of the parenting that you have done for the past three years.

Other than the abusive/toxic caveat, my only requirement of my parents/MIL is that they respect of wishes WRT feeding our kids only vegan food (a very important moral value to us). Other than that, a little sugar, a little overstimulation, exposure to a more mainstream parenting style (my dad and stepmom have a 5 yo) are all things that I set aside. It is difficult to relenquish control, but that is one of those things that you slowly have to do as a parent for the benefit of your kids.
post #8 of 23
No, I dont think you've chased them away. You still go to see them, right? They just dont come to visit you as often? Am I reading that right?
post #9 of 23
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Unless they are abusive/toxic, I think that it is good for children to be exposed to different adults. One of life's lessons is that there are different rules in different places, and different expectations from different people. Different people can also teach us different things and show us different points of view. An afternoon at the park with grandparents is not going to undo all of the parenting that you have done for the past three years.

Other than the abusive/toxic caveat, my only requirement of my parents/MIL is that they respect of wishes WRT feeding our kids only vegan food (a very important moral value to us). Other than that, a little sugar, a little overstimulation, exposure to a more mainstream parenting style (my dad and stepmom have a 5 yo) are all things that I set aside. It is difficult to relenquish control, but that is one of those things that you slowly have to do as a parent for the benefit of your kids.
I really appreciate this post. Thank you!
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I really appreciate this post. Thank you!
I agree, great post and it exactly sums up how I feel, too.
post #11 of 23
I'd be careful about comparing the two sets of grandparents -- everything doesn't have to be even between them, even if they live the same distance away. It's okay if one set sees you guys more.
post #12 of 23
Some grandparents (and people) define close and involved differently. Only after we moved 2000 miles away did I discover my MIL thought she had a close relationship with my kids she only saw 6 or 7 times a year. (They lived 20 minutes away.) My idea of close is weekly visits, peppered with a few specials in between. Also, I only realized when it was too late that they really thought I should initiate contact between them and the children rather than them volunteering or inviting. So, maybe there is a miscommunication. Also, I completely believe we can tend to overprotect our first born and littles from our families in our pursuit of ideals. It's easier to see the older they get. AND- this is important- maybe it's still right and good to "overprotect"; she is still really little, and things do not have to be this way forever. If she's 3.5, things will get much easier even for a sensitive child by 4 or 4.5. That might be a good time to test things.
post #13 of 23
Also, your daughter might surprise you by being more flexible and adaptive than you can see from your point of view as a mother. Some kids perform differently for different people in different settings.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by pinksprklybarefoot View Post
Unless they are abusive/toxic, I think that it is good for children to be exposed to different adults. One of life's lessons is that there are different rules in different places, and different expectations from different people. Different people can also teach us different things and show us different points of view. An afternoon at the park with grandparents is not going to undo all of the parenting that you have done for the past three years.

Other than the abusive/toxic caveat, my only requirement of my parents/MIL is that they respect of wishes WRT feeding our kids only vegan food (a very important moral value to us). Other than that, a little sugar, a little overstimulation, exposure to a more mainstream parenting style (my dad and stepmom have a 5 yo) are all things that I set aside. It is difficult to relenquish control, but that is one of those things that you slowly have to do as a parent for the benefit of your kids.
This. As long as no one spanks my children they can pretty much be themselves. It's good for kids IMO.
post #15 of 23
Guess I'm the odd one out.

My two families (birth and inlaws) sound much like yours. Same issues...

My mother cares for my girls every day while I work or am at school. My parents are also legal guardian of our kids in the event of something happening to the ex or myself.

My ILs live about an hour away and see the kids once every three weeks to once a month; when dd turned five we started to allow them to take her out on their own for a few hours.

Now that she's six we test ran a sleep over, and it was uneventful.

From the day my first was born, my ILs were full of 'You wait till we get her alone' and 'We can do whatever we want with her on our grandparent time' and 'They need to be ALONE with us to bond properly'.

Heh. Dream on.

I keep a tight rein on my kids with re: other adults. Everyone only gets a say in how ~their~ kids are raised, so - I'm having my say. And this is something the ex completely agrees with me on, so it's not me being an evil DIL. Or ex-DIL?

Seriously though, all the issues you described we've faced (and still face); we just make it clear that they're more than welcome to visit here anytime, if our schedule permits it, we'll visit them at their house (with a howler monkey fourteen month old, this is not possible right now).

Keep doing what you're doing; invite them over more, try and visit more. As your LO gets older, they'll get more verbal about what they will and won't tolerate. To me though, I'm the soft place between my kids and the world and I'm not willing to back down from that.
post #16 of 23
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Guess I'm the odd one out.

My two families (birth and inlaws) sound much like yours. Same issues...

My mother cares for my girls every day while I work or am at school. My parents are also legal guardian of our kids in the event of something happening to the ex or myself.

My ILs live about an hour away and see the kids once every three weeks to once a month; when dd turned five we started to allow them to take her out on their own for a few hours.

Now that she's six we test ran a sleep over, and it was uneventful.

From the day my first was born, my ILs were full of 'You wait till we get her alone' and 'We can do whatever we want with her on our grandparent time' and 'They need to be ALONE with us to bond properly'.

Heh. Dream on.

I keep a tight rein on my kids with re: other adults. Everyone only gets a say in how ~their~ kids are raised, so - I'm having my say. And this is something the ex completely agrees with me on, so it's not me being an evil DIL. Or ex-DIL?

Seriously though, all the issues you described we've faced (and still face); we just make it clear that they're more than welcome to visit here anytime, if our schedule permits it, we'll visit them at their house (with a howler monkey fourteen month old, this is not possible right now).

Keep doing what you're doing; invite them over more, try and visit more. As your LO gets older, they'll get more verbal about what they will and won't tolerate. To me though, I'm the soft place between my kids and the world and I'm not willing to back down from that.
Thats just beautiful. And I completely agree.
post #17 of 23
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Guess I'm the odd one out.

My two families (birth and inlaws) sound much like yours. Same issues...

Keep doing what you're doing; invite them over more, try and visit more. As your LO gets older, they'll get more verbal about what they will and won't tolerate. To me though, I'm the soft place between my kids and the world and I'm not willing to back down from that.
At least we're odd ones out together!
My daughter is an intense person. She's very bright and communicative, and I'm overjoyed that she's assertive enough to stand up for herself. She also suffered from temper tantrums - around half a dozen a day. My mother in law believes people are happy when they express happiness and that we shouldn't teach her how to tell us she's angry, frustrated, or sad. I have reason to believe (but dont know specifically) that my mother in law thinks my daughter's temper tantrums are manipulative and brought on by the way we've chosen to parent her. Her response to everything from simple inconvenient request to tantrums is to play a stubbornness contest with my kid. She wants to train my daughter to accept "because I said so" with a complacent smile. I've noticed my daughter is much more strained around my mother in law. She's nervous that Gramma will use her "angry voice" or that it might make her cry and she'll disappoint her grandmother. This is what I mean by wearing her out - it's not about having an active or sugar filled day, it's the emotional strain of fear of punishment and feeling conditionally loved that wears my daughter out. The days afterword she's sad, shaky, sleeps poorly, has nightmares, and doesn't want to leave our house.

My mother in law also did spank her kids and used a piece of wall molding to threaten them into behaving. I dont think she would hesitate to spank my daughter if she thought it was the right thing to do.

My father in law's approach is different, but still worrying to me. He likes to show off my child and her precociousness. Unfortunately for him, my daughter likes to quietly observe people when she's in a new situation and doesn't preform on cue. He's been disappointed by her a few times and stopped bringing her to his work, etc, for show and tell. Instead he's withdrawn from her. I'm sure she misses his attention. And, like his wife, makes her feel loved conditionally.

The books I would recommend to my in laws are about communication and understanding how compassion is essential when dealing with highly sensitive kids. I would think to recommend a book because they're how I deal with and learn about the world. I try to read everything recommended to me - especially when I assume I wont agree with the premise of the book.
post #18 of 23
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Her response to everything from simple inconvenient request to tantrums is to play a stubbornness contest with my kid. She wants to train my daughter to accept "because I said so" with a complacent smile. I've noticed my daughter is much more strained around my mother in law. She's nervous that Gramma will use her "angry voice" or that it might make her cry and she'll disappoint her grandmother.

My father in law's approach is different, but still worrying to me. He likes to show off my child and her precociousness.
These are my ILs to the letter. I hate when people try to enforce 'because I said so' on my kids. We work so hard to be a family unit and to work through things together. I'm not talking safety issues with my ILs either - it's usually dumb stuff. For ex. dd says 'Can I color?' MIL - 'Not right now' DD - 'Why not Grandma?' MIL - 'Cause I said so'

Urgh. :

More on the pony show side though - they treat my kids like the second coming and refuse to assist us in setting boundaries. When my older dd was four and freaking out about something - she would spit. I would immediately step in, remove her from the situation and we would talk about how that was inappropriate and what we could do to express ourselves instead, etc.

My ILs would laugh and encourage her to spit. Or to throw food, or to climb on the table, or hit, etc. Whatever my two kids do or say - it's hilarious. Until they got to an age where it was embarassing to THEM and then they'd come down too hard, totally confusing dd. They love to parade them around like a golden calf, and both my girls get uncomfortable by that.

Anyway, it sounds like you're doing a great job advocating for your dd and you should be proud of that!
post #19 of 23
how tough! I am so sorry you are feeling this way. Sensitivity is a trait that is to be cherished not eliminated. actually, we NEED sensitive people for our world to survive, thats why they are still here after years of evolution. Such as the example in the book highly sensitive child where they explain the 2 deers - one just goes in the the opening, and the more sensitive one is hesitant. the rush ahead dear may get killed by a hunter, and the sensitive one may starve from being overly cautious. both have their stregnths and weaknesses - both are needed for the survival of their herd (not that I agree with herd mentatiliy, but its a good explanation for those who do) our world needs different personalities. but all of this is irrelevant because its not like you can explain it to them, or that they would accept or understand it, and you obviously already realize this. I just dont really know what to say. Keep going there and letting your child experience them. its a shame they cant be more connected and involved though
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Such as the example in the book highly sensitive child where they explain the 2 deers...
I just dont really know what to say. Keep going there and letting your child experience them. its a shame they cant be more connected and involved though
Thanks! I just finished that book, and loved it. Nothing written there was ground breaking for me, but so reassuring that my daughter's temperament is simply part of her, rather than some fault of mine (and my husband's). I've KNOWN this since she started to show her sensitivity - I was the same way as a young child and vididly remember the terror of being inside a temper tantrum. I cant stomach people being mean to her while she feels that way. How cruel do you have to be to try to fight with someone while they're in the middle of an anxiety attack?
My mother in law's kids were different from mine - her first two were laid back and happy to go along with her training program. Her third, my husband, was the sensitive trouble maker who fought with her during his teenage years. The sentence he declares he'll never say to our children is "because I said so."

Funny how temperaments, and ways to cope with them, run in families.

Thanks, everyone, for your support. I'd like to say that I'm certainly not trying to keep my in laws away -but that I'm worried I've inadvertently intimidated them. I'm trying to find a way to solve this, make peace, and invite them back into our lives in a trusting and warm way. Strange coincidence: my father in law called this afternoon to see if we can re arrange our plans and come to the opening of his play this weekend. He sounded disappointed when I said I couldn't make any promises, but we'd try.
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