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post #1 of 16
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My son is 2 mo. Since he was about 2 weeks we have had the same problem, and nothing I do seems to help.

This doesn't happen all the time, sometimes we can go a couple of days where it doesn't happen at all, and sometimes it will happen every feeding and it is so frustrating!!!

He will latch on and latch right off, he will be crying, shaking his head, flailing his arms and legs (he has gotten really good at pulling my glasses off), sometimes he wont latch on at all, and start doing that, sometimes he will nurse for a few minutes and then start doing that. We thought it was a forceful letdown - I hand expressed or pumped before feeding - didn't make a difference. I tried nursing him laying down on my side - didn't work, didn't help. I tried modified football hold and couldn't figure it out (he is 13 lbs 12 oz and 25 in long so I think he is just too big for football). I tried reclining back to bring him over the breast b/c it was spraying - din't help. We thought it was reflux, but Zantac didn't seem to make a difference. I thought it was gas - I would burp him and he would still do it after burping. SOmetimes I would just try again in 20-30 min and that would work, and sometimes I would pump and give him a bottle and that would work too (wondering if he got lazy with bottle but he switches back and forth pretty easily). And sometimes I would just put him to sleep and that would work too, skipping the whole feeding.

and today he has a lot of spitup but i dont think it happens always

We are both so frustrated about this. Plus I am going back to work in 3 weeks and he will be bottlefed with my milk, and I am afraid he will get so used to it, that he will stop nursing all together.

I am really not sure what else I can do, please if you have any advise, help me out!

Thank you so much
post #2 of 16
your LO sounds exactly like my two! I think you were right, you do have a fast letdown, and probably lots of milk. Here's the good news, it'll get better, I promise! Your babe will soon get very good at gulping down everything you can give him. I know because mine did!

Do pump a half or 1 ounce before a feed if you're particularly full. I would also feed twice on one side. then switch. that will help our breasts calm down a bit!
keep doing the things you tried before, they will pay off eventually, once your babe is a bit bigger.
post #3 of 16
Sometimes walking while nursing would calm my baby down.
post #4 of 16
DS did the same thing, and it was reflux. We also tried Zantac and it did nothing. We switched to Prevacid (which took 2 weeks to work) and it was like a miracle. No more crying at the breast!

DS also has food allergies (which can contribute to reflux). Dairy is a big one. Try cutting it out for 2-3 weeks and see if there is an improvement.

Hugs Mama. I know how tough this is! We went through it for 5-6 weeks before figuring it out!
post #5 of 16
there is an excellent article on lll website on overabundant milk supply and how to minimize forceful letdown/decrease supply.
it really helped us.
post #6 of 16
This was DS1. I don't think he had reflux, and like your kiddo, Zantac did nothing. He didn't spit-up at all and was generally a very fussy, high needs baby. Yes, I know it oculd have been silent reflux, but I realy don't think so.

For my baby, and in retrospect, I think it was a combination of over-supply, strong let-down and a very, very, very sensitive personality. Like you I tried EVERY trick known. BFing was important enough that we stuck with it. It got better around 4-5 months and MUCH better around 6-7 months. Though we were never able to NIP. Ever.

Nursing while swaddled, with loud white noise on, while walking and especially while sleeping helped me get through those first few months. It was awful. Hugs to you.
post #7 of 16
I too have been having this problem lately.. very frustrating!! DD is three weeks today. She cries, she flails, she snorts at breast, she has spent less and less time on the breast (from 40 min to 20). Lately she is only taking one breast-- I just hope that she is getting enough. My letdown is intense (at least I think, this is our first). I get her soaking wet on the side I am not nursing if I don't remember to put a burp cloth under my breast. But when do you have time to hand express? or pump> She is also in the mood for movement, so I have her in a sling, when I am not feeding...
post #8 of 16
I have oversupply and overactive letdown - same problems here with all my babes. One side per feeding helped - expressing a bit first helped (just enough though....you really don't want to stimulate MORE milk production!). There's also a way to soften the nipple beforehand to lessen the edema when engorged, which helped me too. Anyone know the term?? I forget...

In time as he gets older and can handle the flow, it will definitely improve.
post #9 of 16
I forgot to also suggest feeding when he is sleeping. It really helped for me to nurse them lying down after they had fallen asleep because they were less frustrated.
post #10 of 16
Hi Mamas! I can imagine how difficult this must be for everyone - you have this great milk supply, but baby is having a hard time controlling the flow of milk. Not fair, right!?

I think the tip of expressing some milk beforehand seems like the best idea and is also the most common solution that many lactation consultants will suggest, myself included. If you find yourself expressing milk and worrying about actually increasing your supply, have you considered donating your extra milk? There are many moms who are having issues with BFing/low-supply and would really benefit from your extra milk Your local LLL can surely help you find out how to do that.

Yes, this extra supply is going to be wonderful when your nursling is a few months older and can take in more amounts of milk at a time - so I don't see any overly negative side-effects from expressing however much milk you need to make your baby comfortable.

What do you think?
post #11 of 16
MY BABY HAD THE SAME ISSUE
well still kinda has actually... after ruling out all the medical issues that could cause this, i contacted a LC that was highly recommended to me.
as soon as she saw the baby feeding, she said its nothing medical, she said he's on a NURSING STRIKE!!!
aparently, theres something that happens to hormones and milk flow around 2 months that can affect the taste of milk, and she said that the either of those can make the baby go on a sort of strike. i guess a lot of babies go through the same thing in different forms and to a various degree.
here are the things she suggested:
lots and lots of skin to skin contact as that calms the baby
taking breaks while nursing
taking baths with the baby
nursing more often at night (this one didnt actually work for me, although he doesnt generally fuss at night)
skin to skin is what has been working for us, for a few days now its been getting better!::
good luck!!!!!
post #12 of 16
sounds like my ds was reflux for him. feeding him tummy to tummy for him to be sitting up also the sling was a godsent i never did the baby holds kept him upright even when feeding.
with forceful or alot of milk with let down i find that when they pull off you would see the spray of milk.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnnaNova View Post
MY BABY HAD THE SAME ISSUE
well still kinda has actually... after ruling out all the medical issues that could cause this, i contacted a LC that was highly recommended to me.
as soon as she saw the baby feeding, she said its nothing medical, she said he's on a NURSING STRIKE!!!
aparently, theres something that happens to hormones and milk flow around 2 months that can affect the taste of milk, and she said that the either of those can make the baby go on a sort of strike. i guess a lot of babies go through the same thing in different forms and to a various degree.
here are the things she suggested:
lots and lots of skin to skin contact as that calms the baby
taking breaks while nursing
taking baths with the baby
nursing more often at night (this one didnt actually work for me, although he doesnt generally fuss at night)
skin to skin is what has been working for us, for a few days now its been getting better!::
good luck!!!!!

a nursing strike almost always has a cause, be it nipple confusion/preference, reflux, too distracted, allergy, etc..

Here is a page from kellymom.com about babes refusing to nurse, and tips on how to gently coax baby back to the breast. I agree skin-to-skin is definitely best! OP, please look into an underlying problem, a baby will not put up a strike for no reason.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by LadyCatherine185 View Post
a nursing strike almost always has a cause, be it nipple confusion/preference, reflux, too distracted, allergy, etc..

Here is a page from kellymom.com about babes refusing to nurse, and tips on how to gently coax baby back to the breast. I agree skin-to-skin is definitely best! OP, please look into an underlying problem, a baby will not put up a strike for no reason.
i think its a combination of change of the flow of the milk - i can feel that it flows differently... and also being away from me for a couple of days while my dad was in the hospital, he is pretty well-bonded with my mom who took care of him them, so i didnt think it would be a problem emotionally, but i guess it is...so we are bonding back and trying to adjust to the flow... the doc said theres no medical reason
post #15 of 16
thanx for the link, btw. great info
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by AnnaNova View Post
i think its a combination of change of the flow of the milk - i can feel that it flows differently... and also being away from me for a couple of days while my dad was in the hospital, he is pretty well-bonded with my mom who took care of him them, so i didnt think it would be a problem emotionally, but i guess it is...so we are bonding back and trying to adjust to the flow... the doc said theres no medical reason
it def could be from being away from you for a few days, esp if she was given bottles. i'm glad you are getting things back on track! :
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