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post #1 of 105
3/20/09 at 10:32pm
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China recalls more than 320,000 doses of flawed rabies vaccine: official

More than 320,000 doses of rabies vaccine found to contain a banned ingredient have been recovered in China after regulators ordered a recall, an official said Wednesday.

The vaccines contain nucleic acid.

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It's quite fascinating recombinant DNA Hepatitis B vaccine, IIRC, has never been recalled despite myriad of serious adverse reactions.
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post #2 of 105
3/20/09 at 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by Th1Th2 View Post
It's quite fascinating recombinant DNA Hepatitis B vaccine, IIRC, has never been recalled despite myriad of serious adverse reactions.
HUH???

feeling stupid.. but what?? How does whatever you said, have to do with a rabies vaccination from China? One that people don't get unless they're bitten by a rabid animal

tired...:yawning:
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post #3 of 105
3/20/09 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
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HUH???

feeling stupid.. but what?? How does whatever you said, have to do with a rabies vaccination from China? One that people don't get unless they're bitten by a rabid animal

tired...:yawning:

Wrong. Rabies vaccines can be given prophylactically (pre-exposure vaccination) to high-risk individual or where rabies is endemic e.g. China.

Normally, rabies vaccines do not carry DNA antigens.
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post #4 of 105
3/20/09 at 11:51pm
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Normally, rabies vaccines do not carry DNA antigens.[/QUOTE]

But others (that you mentioned) do?
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post #5 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:07am
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Originally Posted by emma1325
But others (that you mentioned) do?
Currently, the only DNA vaccine we have is Hepatitis B vaccine.
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post #6 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:10am
Sorce??

Never seen anything about that..

Still not seeing the relivence here since what you quoted is from China. Things in China are not comparible to US or Canadian regulations.
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post #7 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
Sorce??

Never seen anything about that..

Still not seeing the relivence here since what you quoted is from China. Things in China are not comparible to US or Canadian regulations.
Did you know that most vaccines are manufactured in China?
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post #8 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
Sorce??

Never seen anything about that..

Still not seeing the relivence here since what you quoted is from China. Things in China are not comparible to US or Canadian regulations.
From CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/exposure/preexposure.html

From rabies vaccine package insert: http://novartis-vaccines.com/product...rt_PI_0404.pdf

Rabies vaccine recommendation covers both pre-exposure and post-exposure to rabies.
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post #9 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:31am
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Did you know that most vaccines are manufactured in China?
Yes. However there are stricked guidelines that have to be followed for them to be allowed to be used within the US or Canada. Not a perfict system, granted. But this vaccination mentioned above is a vaccine IN China, not on US or Canadian soil.

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From CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/exposure/preexposure.html

From rabies vaccine package insert: http://novartis-vaccines.com/product...rt_PI_0404.pdf

Rabies vaccine recommendation covers both pre-exposure and post-exposure to rabies.
Still not something regularly given in US or Canada hence the non relevence. This is not something being injected into our children. Sorry but there is enough with the vaccines we DO have without adding ones that are not used.

Do you have a sorce for the Hepatitis B vaccine? I just want to look it over. See if there is something I missed.
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post #10 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:35am
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Yes. However there are stricked guidelines that have to be followed for them to be allowed to be used within the US or Canada. Not a perfict system, granted. But this vaccination mentioned above is a vaccine IN China, not on US or Canadian soil.



Still not something regularly given in US or Canada hence the non relevence. This is not something being injected into our children. Sorry but there is enough with the vaccines we DO have without adding ones that are not used.

Do you have a sorce for the Hepatitis B vaccine? I just want to look it over. See if there is something I missed.

Yeah, and I'm wondering if China gives hep b vaccine to their children.
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post #11 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:39am
[QUOTE=KimberlyD0;13404704]Yes. However there are stricked guidelines that have to be followed for them to be allowed to be used within the US or Canada. Not a perfict system, granted. But this vaccination mentioned above is a vaccine IN China, not on US or Canadian soil.



Which guidelines? If they're manufactured there, and overseen using their standards, why does it matter what our guidelines are once they're here?
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post #12 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0
Still not something regularly given in US or Canada hence the non relevence. This is not something being injected into our children. Sorry but there is enough with the vaccines we DO have without adding ones that are not used.
It is not a regular vaccine because rabies vaccine is not included in childhood immunization schedule like anthrax, JE, typhoid and yellow fever vaccines.

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Do you have a sorce for the Hepatitis B vaccine? I just want to look it over. See if there is something I missed.
You can read the vaccine insert here: http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf







For Hepatits B vaccine
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf
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post #13 of 105
3/21/09 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by emma1325
Yeah, and I'm wondering if China gives hep b vaccine to their children.
Yes they do. Check here: http://www.who.int/vaccines/globalsu...duleResult.cfm
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post #14 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
Yes. However there are stricked guidelines that have to be followed for them to be allowed to be used within the US or Canada. Not a perfict system, granted. But this vaccination mentioned above is a vaccine IN China, not on US or Canadian soil.



Which guidelines? If they're manufactured there, and overseen using their standards, why does it matter what our guidelines are once they're here?
I'm not sure on the exact guidelines. They are different for the US and Canada. When I have more time I'll see if I can find it again.

Regulations for drugs, vaccinations, foods, and everything else have to meet the guidelines for the given country that is importing it. The have checks and balences in place to monitor what come in to the US and Canada. There are holes in there, but generally speaking they are able to keep the standards the same as if they were made in the US or Canada. In fact in most instances Canada is even strickter then the US. Here safty is taken to the extream at times, hence things like walkers being illegal to own, buy or sell in Canada, BPA bottles being banned, only BPA free bottles are even allowed on shelves, Childrens cold meds are not even avalible in most places here now.

Each country has its own regulations and ways to enforce those regulations.




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Originally Posted by Th1Th2 View Post
It is not a regular vaccine because rabies vaccine is not included in childhood immunization schedule like anthrax, JE, typhoid and yellow fever vaccines.

You can read the vaccine insert here: http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf


For Hepatits B vaccine
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ombivax_pi.pdf
Thank for for the links.

I know they're not part of the regulare vaccinations scheduals. Thats why I am so confused why this is a big deal here? I mean it sucks if you live in China where they are used, and where they were found, but they are neither used nor were they found in the US or Canada.

I suppose I missed your point...

its just confused the heck out of me...
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post #15 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:06am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
Sorce??

Never seen anything about that..

Still not seeing the relivence here since what you quoted is from China. Things in China are not comparible to US or Canadian regulations.
Considering what the FDA has done to it's regulations in the recent past i wouldn't put too much faith in that statement.... fda thinks melamine is acceptable in infant formula, has argued pba is safe in plastics, and rbgh not a health hazard.... really now...as far as corporate is concerned ...if it's profitable they will make it safe...even though it's not... so really there is little truth to that especially when it concerns free trade...regulations have become a joke. 'like codex...say it is, when it isn't, at any cost to the public health'
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post #16 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:13am
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I suppose I missed your point...

its just confused the heck out of me...

Don't worry...I'm confused too!! But all of this stuff makes my head spin.
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post #17 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by medusaatemydog View Post
Considering what the FDA has done to it's regulations in the recent past i wouldn't put too much faith in that statement.... fda thinks melamine is acceptable in infant formula, has argued pba is safe in plastics, and rbgh not a health hazard.... really now...as far as corporate is concerned ...if it's profitable they will make it safe...even though it's not... so really there is little truth to that especially when it concerns free trade...regulations have become a joke. 'like codex...say it is, when it isn't, at any cost to the public health'
Yes the FDA is weird that way.

Those same things are not concidered Safe in Canada. I'm note entirely sure what decides the standards here to be honest.

I'm just saying that untill its found in the US or Canada why worry. I mean there is enough here already to worry about kwim? why add more?
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post #18 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Thank for for the links.

I know they're not part of the regulare vaccinations scheduals. Thats why I am so confused why this is a big deal here? I mean it sucks if you live in China where they are used, and where they were found, but they are neither used nor were they found in the US or Canada.

I suppose I missed your point...

its just confused the heck out of me...
I got your point. My only concern here is not about traditional vaccines but the use of DNA vaccines like Hep B, which is even worse in terms of genetic encoding.
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post #19 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by KimberlyD0 View Post
Yes the FDA is weird that way.

Those same things are not concidered Safe in Canada. I'm note entirely sure what decides the standards here to be honest.

I'm just saying that untill its found in the US or Canada why worry. I mean there is enough here already to worry about kwim? why add more?
because i don't wish vaccines on anyone, especially that one. And if it's manufactured in China and an american based pharmecutical company takes an interest in it....considering the way international trade, agriculture and bio-tech are doing business, i worry about all of it. This assault on biology/life has to change/be quelled, or no matter where in the world it comes from it will be knocking at your door, creating dead zones in oceans and forever changing the genetics of every living thing on the earth with unpredictable and most likely very bad outcomes...for our children
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post #20 of 105
3/21/09 at 1:27am
It definitely concerns me when other developed countries reject certain things that we continue to use.
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