Happy Spring!! Chat thread: March 21 - 27 - Page 9

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Did he have a higher initial dose? If not, it sounds like it isn't helping. What else could be interfering with the remedy? Heavy metals is one thing that SB mentioned could interfere. Are you giving no food for 30 minutes before and after the dose?

ETA: are you touching the pellets with your fingers or hand?


Pat

I am so behind, I bet I'm a) serial posting, b) half the stuff I'm seeing is way outdate, but c) I just can't keep up!

Chlobo and kids are dealing with nasty heavy metals, in that case she said the low dose, frequent dosing was probably best. But of course I also agree Chlobo's the one on-hand and has a better feel for how kiddo's doing and what's working and what's not.

Chlobo--I am a loser, I'm getting to the post office tomorrow morning. I'm bad at mailing stuff, this is a long-standing issue. Tomorrow, without fail.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Pregnant women are not allowed to look up old boyfriends on Facebook. I believe it is in the Facebook policies and procedures: http://www.facebook.com/policy.php

I actually read the whole policy page just now. How gullible am I?

You could post Kathy's dog allergy site for him to remove the top four dog allergens from the diet: corn, soy, wheat, dairy. And I bet that would help, especially with a bit of kefir. :
http://dogtorj.net/id26.html

If he's on regular dry kibble, and allergic to humans (I still can't believe they test for that!) then his allergy bucket is full. He could go raw (I just did with my dog, and it's pretty easy, since my stinkin' dog has allergies like the rest of us).

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I totally hear you (and I'm sure others do as well) on the cost of supplements. I think at my worst in the last year I was spending about $150/mth on supplements (just for myself).
This thread is always crazy busy. We average about 400 posts per week.

Our supplements are ridiculous as well. And I still have a bunch I need to get rid of that we can't have anymore. Can we do that on Facebook? I just read the policies, I should know that.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

There is no nail thread of which I know.
I'm not certain that I would class that as your health improving as much as your health *changing*. You should not have (visible) lunulas. If they are visible, it indicates a health problem- usually a deficiency of some sort. It's been a long time since I studied it so I can't tell you any longer which finger correlates with which vitamin or mineral.
The decrease in ridges from one hand to the other is good. That means that the deficiencies aren't as severe as they *were*. The "crease" on your thumb was likely the result of an acute illness. You may consider zinc supplementation, since I do seem to recall that white flecks are a sign of zinc deficiency.
This is all stuff I learned when studying palmistry, btw... You'd be shocked what you can tell about the state of a person's health just from their hands.

That's really interesting. I don't have lunulas, or white spots. I have pretty weak/brittle nails though. My grandmother had very ridged nails and thick. DD2's toenails are the same way - very thick. Anybody know what that means?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Well, each practitioner was taught or believes differently, based upon their experience and dosing protocols...
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/148295/
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/150914/
http://www.hpathy.com/research/shere...homeopathy.asp

Touching can decrease their effectiveness, from everything I understand.


Pat

The oils on your hand can "inactivate" the pellets as can anything which is under your nails (which is everything you've touched in the last 3 weeks or so).

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

K1 though, not Price's K2 - there's no RDA for that one (yet)

The body converts K1 to K2.

Foods Highest in Vitamin K1 (phylloquinone)

RDA 70-140 mcg of Vitamin K1

per 1/2 cup
Kale, cooked 630 mcg (not mg)
Collard greens, cooked 520
Spinach, cooked 510
Turnip greens, cooked 425
Beet greens, cooked 350
Mustard greens, cooked 270
Brussells sprouts, cooked 210
Broccoli, cooked 110
Dandelion greens, cooked 102
Parsley, 10 sprigs 90
Lettuce, boston and bibb, raw 90
Asparagus, cooked 75
Sauerkraut 70
Lettuce, green leaf, raw 50
Lettuce, romaine 25

The richest natural source of vitamin K2 is derived from an ancient Japanese medicinal food called Natto.

Vitamin K is found in green leafy vegetables as well as fermented foods.
http://www.smartbodyz.com/Vitamin-K1...ation-Dose.htm

Pat

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by WuWei

The body converts K1 to K2.
...
The richest natural source of vitamin K2 is derived from an ancient Japanese medicinal food called Natto.

It can only be converted in limited amounts, unless you supplement with high quantities of K1. Chris Masterjohn has more to say on the topic, possibly here?

K2 is found in grassfed butter (the yellower, the better), bone marrow, and a few other animal sources. my notes

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Zinc and mag are fine together, zinc and calcium will block each other, not sure if you'll just absorb less of each or if one systematically loses.

How much zinc are you taking at bedtime? I gave myself wicked insomnia once with about 50mg. But I can do 25mg just fine.

I am doing 40mg

[tanyalynn]

But Pat, there's a strong argument that humans function best with a food source of K2, and it's not clear how well, or how variable, the ability to convert K1 to K2 is (and vice versa, K2 to K1, though K2 can help with clotting/bleeding, anecdotally ). I find the need for dietary K2 compelling. And there does seem to be a limit on how much K1 people can absorb from food each day. The argument for the MK-4 version of K2, which is from animal fat (including human breastmilk) is pretty strong, IMO, and it's not a surety that the MK-7 version from fermented foods like natto is a complete substitute.

Well heck, whoMe already said it. This thread is flying!

About lunulae: so the fact that I only have them on my thumbs, and no other fingers, is probably indicative of my general rundown-ness, is that the concensus?

Kathy, that linked article (here: http://mrishaanshareef.blogspot.com/...ct-health.html) discusses lots of what you said, with pictures. Wish it had a pic of healthy nails, that was a bit confusing (I think my lack of lunulae may be my biggest problem, though I had a hard time with the white/pink/red nail bed pictures, sorta confused about what's normal).

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by chlobo

I am doing 40mg

Are you falling asleep okay? If yes, then it clearly works for you. And yay! for zinc!

whoMe--what are you doing for dietary zinc? That's one of the hardest for me to figure out, long-term. We'd have to eat a lot of beef (or eat oysters, which I'm not ready to commit to) in order to get enough. I know a little here and there adds up, but I just don't see it.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by dannic

"No wonder all the bees are dying"

And we can't grow seeds which need to be pollinated without bees... (wonder if any company (MONSANTO) wants that to happen, you think? )

Coincidently?? GMO-wheat doesn't require bees. GMO-soy doesn't require bees. GMO-corn doesn't require bees. GMO-rice doesn't require bees.


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Chlobo and kids are dealing with nasty heavy metals, in that case she said the low dose, frequent dosing was probably best.

Ahhhh, yes, there is that.


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I actually read the whole policy page just now. How gullible am I?

I just posted the link with "Facebook and policy" in the link.

Doubt you can trade pharmaceuticals across interstate lines on Facebook. I'll bet that one isn't in the policy manual yet. But, you could see about getting that changed by trying.


Pat

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

It can only be converted in limited amounts, unless you supplement with high quantities of K1. Chris Masterjohn has more to say on the topic, possibly here?

K2 is found in grassfed butter (the yellower, the better), bone marrow, and a few other animal sources. my notes

Bacteria present in the human bowel produces Vitamin K2.


Pat

[Phoenix_Rising]

What is this about not having cilantro if you've got mercury fillings? We use cilantro a lot in our cooking and DP has plenty of fillings (all mercury).

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

whoMe--what are you doing for dietary zinc? That's one of the hardest for me to figure out, long-term. We'd have to eat a lot of beef (or eat oysters, which I'm not ready to commit to) in order to get enough. I know a little here and there adds up, but I just don't see it.

This is my latest project. I'm thinking I *was* fine on zinc, until I stopped eating so much meat and started eating so many lentils and beans. Now I think the copper's winning I started getting reflux after meals recently (indicating low stomach acid).

I had a dr's appt last week, and she checked my blood Cu and Zn. I don't have the results yet, but I went ahead and started supping zinc picolinate for now. There's a booth at the year round farmers market that has oysters on the half shell, and I tried them for the first time several months ago. They're pretty good! Not too fishy at all There's also a fish stand that sells a little jar of them for cooking with. My plan for now is to get a jar a week, and eat them somehow, plus raw ones whenever I see them. My current favorite is battered and deep fried, but I need to order another gallon of coconut oil (thanks for reminding me!).

The problem I'm having is that I refuse to cook different meals for us/dh. Dh is shocking me in *not* being the adventurous eater I always thought he was. I think I'd do REALLY well on a shellfish-focused diet, but the only shellfish dh is happy about is shrimp and scallops And he refuses organ meats if he knows he's eating them. At least dd is with me on the oysters!

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by Susannah M

What is this about not having cilantro if you've got mercury fillings? We use cilantro a lot in our cooking and DP has plenty of fillings (all mercury).

Cilantro mobilizes mercury.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Bacteria present in the human bowel produces Vitamin K2.

How much do I want to trust the bacteria in my gut, given that I've had a lifetime of abx? How much would I rather enjoy yummy foods like butter and bone marrow?

I also have a small frame and history of lots of cavities. K2 moves calcium from blood to bones/teeth. Yeah, I really don't have too much faith in my gut bacteria.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

It can only be converted in limited amounts, unless you supplement with high quantities of K1. Chris Masterjohn has more to say on the topic, possibly here?

K2 is found in grassfed butter (the yellower, the better), bone marrow, and a few other animal sources. my notes

Apparently, the bacteria in the gut which helps convert K1 to K2 is Bacillus subtilis. Guess what, it is present in kefir. http://onibasu.com/archives/rkm/3456.html


The best sources of vitamin K2 are fermented foods and grass-fed animal fats. Fermented foods, such as sauerkraut, cheese and natto (a soy dish popular in Japan), contain substantial amounts of vitamin K2. Natto contains the highest concentration of K2 of any food measured; nearly all of it is present as MK-7, which research has shown to be a highly effective form.


Pat

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by WuWei

And we can't grow seeds which need to be pollinated without bees... (wonder if any company (MONSANTO) wants that to happen, you think? )

Coincidently?? GMO-wheat doesn't require bees. GMO-soy doesn't require bees. GMO-corn doesn't require bees. GMO-rice doesn't require bees.


Pat

As I indicated earlier, to he11 in a handbasket, we're headed.
It gets creepier and creepier...

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by Susannah M

What is this about not having cilantro if you've got mercury fillings? We use cilantro a lot in our cooking and DP has plenty of fillings (all mercury).

It releases mercury from storage and makes it circulating. Less of an issue if done "always". And less of a concern for non-breastfeeding men.


Pat

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Bacteria present in the human bowel produces Vitamin K2.


Pat

But again, it's the kind made by fermentation, which has longer side chains. It's not really clear that we use it that much--natto, yes, it has some definite dietary/health goodness, but it's less clear if we absorb the stuff our guts (should) make.

Originally Posted by Susannah M

What is this about not having cilantro if you've got mercury fillings? We use cilantro a lot in our cooking and DP has plenty of fillings (all mercury).

People like me who have a weak ability to excrete the mercury that our fillings are (were) releasing into our bodies will store it, and consuming cilantro will mobilize some. People who excrete mercury well don't get this high body burden like me, so there's very little to mobilize and they'll do fine eating it. I am actively avoiding it because I think it'll tend to give me wicked headaches and possibly mood issues (I've been depressed periodically in the past, and it was mercury-related, so moving metals does this to me). I think cilantro may have a small ability to draw mercury out of your fillings--I'm not 100% sure on that--but I think the real issue is total body burden. I don't have fillings anymore, but until I get my body burden down, it's too likely to cause me issues. Someone else with fillings, but who excretes mercury well, didn't build up a lot and so when they eat it, I think they'd be just fine (and they'd be happy, cause cilantro is so tasty).