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post #21 of 37
I have gotten this compliment/comment regarding my first and third child, a lot. (The second child just had a more laid-back personality I guess. ) None of my three children have been vaxxed at all. However, one of my nephews has been fully vaxxed, lives in bucket seat, swing, and bouncy seat, formula fed from the beginning, and just started rice cereal at three months old. He is extremely alert, also (and such a sweet, happy kid!) So I think it's probably mostly personality and genetics. But of course all that's completely anecdotal-- it sure would be interesting to see a real study done on it.
post #22 of 37
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Originally Posted by Delicateflower View Post
You're really off the wall here. I get that comment all the time about both my children and they're both vaxed up the wazoo. Must make the MMR appointment for #2, now that I think of it.
After rereading my post, I don't think it was an off the wall thought at all considering how harmful vaccines can be.
post #23 of 37
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You're really off the wall here. I get that comment all the time about both my children and they're both vaxed up the wazoo.
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Originally Posted by llamalluv View Post
That sounds really uncomfortable. When I was a kid, they gave us our shots in the thigh or arm.
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The only shot I got anywhere near the wazoo was to deal with poison ivy. Happily, the wazoo, along with all other body parts of my children, are now safe from vaccination.
post #24 of 37
I think that commenting on how alert a baby is can often be one of those "break the ice" conversation starters when you see a baby. All of my kids have had vaccinations and I've heard how alert they are for their age for every single one of my 4 children. We also were told how big they were for their age, or how amazing it was that they sat when they did, or walked when they did, or talked when they did, or how amazing it was that they were babbling or making eye contact. I catch myself having the same gushing conversations with people who have babies now that I'm done having babies. Someone will have a newborn in their arms and I feel compelled to tell them how darn alert that 3 day old baby is and how big he is and how healthy he looks and how big his cheeks are Frankly, I'm not disingenuine when I say it... I just love babies and they are all pretty beautiful and amazing to me

But hey, who knows, maybe the vaccines did suck the sparkles from my kids eyes and someone was just baby gushing and making small talk with me back in the day
post #25 of 37
I don't think there is a correlation with alertness and vax status. I think it depends more on the child's personality and how much stimulation they are getting from the parent during the day. One of my friend's daughter was vaxed fully and on schedule and she has been just as alert if not more than my child and my other friend's children.
post #26 of 37
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That sounds really uncomfortable. When I was a kid, they gave us our shots in the thigh or arm.
They said it would mean neither arm or leg would hurt. Doesn't everyone do it that way?
post #27 of 37
My dd came out looking around. She was making eye contact by 3 days. She used to make eye contact with people driving slowly by on our road. One guy even stopped the car to comment on it. She was unvaxed at the time. I in no way attribute it to that but to her BRILLIANT parents!
post #28 of 37
I have two almost fully vax'd kids, one who has only had two shots, at 5ish months old. All have had the same level of alertness.

I think that is just one of those things that people say to and about babies. There's only so many things to say about a baby that they don't know very well. Its either...

"Oh...LOOK how CUTE!!!"
"He looks just like mommy/daddy/big brother!"
"He's so alert!"

Then its on to milestones.

"Look how well he crawls/walks/claps/!"


I wouldn't read anything into it, personally.
post #29 of 37
I got the same comments when DS was an infant and my DH would just gloat. DS is turning 2 and we get so many different comments through each stage. I have nothing to compare him to~ no other kids or other vaxed kids his age. DH automatically thinks it's because he is vax free. I give myself credit for his intelligence since I spend a lot of time with him teaching. I'm not sure what I think of it. I also only fed him organic foods the first 18 months and he was a fanatic over vegetables. Perhaps it's just health in general?
post #30 of 37
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After rereading my post, I don't think it was an off the wall thought at all considering how harmful vaccines can be.
While I think it is cooincidental. It is NOT an off the wall thought at all.
post #31 of 37
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
While I think it is cooincidental. It is NOT an off the wall thought at all.
I agree. I think vaccines cause mild injury to many children, but I think the alertness, or lack of alertness, has to do with a combination of vaccination status, genes, stimulation, and breast vs. bottle.
post #32 of 37
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Originally Posted by AprilM View Post
Ds is 8 months old and ever since he was born, we have been getting the same remark over and over about him from different folks here and there that we come in contact with. (Especially random strangers at stores and such) They comment on how 'alert' he is and how strong his eye contact and focus is.... like he is really studying their faces. At first I thought, that's odd, what are most babies, unresponsive? ds is the only baby I have really ever been around so I have nothing to compare him to. We got the comment again yesterday from a neighbor and it got me wondering if it has anything to do with the fact that he has never received any vaccines? Am I really off the wall here, or is it possible that the majority of babies out there are not so 'alert' because most of them have been vaxed over and over again? Has anyone had any experience in this area or witnessed what I am describing?

No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain. Add some formula to the mix, and that baby has to exert all available mental energy to digesting foreign proteins and processing chemicals.
post #33 of 37
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No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain. Add some formula to the mix, and that baby has to exert all available mental energy to digesting foreign proteins and processing chemicals.
Don't forget about TV!! I have met many a dazed baby that sits in front of the TV starting at a week old, for hours at a time...
post #34 of 37
I usually try to not to greatly attribute individual temperament characteristics to something I've done either well or not well from a parenting standpoint, because when I think it's because of something I did well, it usually comes back to bite me in the butt at some point. I have two very different children parented in the same home environment - actually, my more intense, less social baby is the one who was raised "more AP/NFL" on paper than her brother....just something to chew on. I parent the way I do because I value the relationship it creates and maintains between me and my kids...not because I think it's going to make them turn out "better" than kids who aren't parented similarly.
post #35 of 37
DD unvaxed has gotten the alert comment since she was about 10 minutes old. a few cousins got the same exact comment, and they are vaxed. i dont think your post was off the wall either.
post #36 of 37
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Originally Posted by AprilM View Post
Am I really off the wall here, or is it possible that the majority of babies out there are not so 'alert' because most of them have been vaxed over and over again? Has anyone had any experience in this area or witnessed what I am describing?
In my experience, the alert baby compliment is a fairly typical one. I got that a lot with my first who was vaxed and with whom I had an epidural. I always assumed the alertness early on was related to medicated births and the effect of the epidural drugs in the systems of the babies. But my second daughter was birthed and home and not vaxed, so she didn't get the alert comment much. She was a really sleepy, lazy baby, and big for her age, which was what people usually mentioned (or, conversely, people with large babies would comment she seemed small).

I honestly think that babies have different personalities and temperaments right from the beginning. My first daughter was kind of hypertonic, and then later on was the kind of child who really liked to observe without getting involved. I always had to be out with her in the sling so she could see new things. My second daughter was this lazy little slug, and once she learned to walk, she went off and did her own thing wherever she was, and seemed content. But the older she got, the more and more into things and deconstructive she became, and she's kind of a wild child now.
post #37 of 37
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Originally Posted by emma1325 View Post
No, you are not off the wall. Think about it. Either a baby can be sitting there observing the world around him, or he can be sitting there processing tons of chemicals and toxic ingredients through his brain.
When I had a bad vaccine reaction as an adult, I understood what it was like to have to deal with the injury. It is very distracting to say the least and the body pulls it's resources together to ward of the injury. The energy needed to do so does take away from the overall functioning. Therefore I think this is a valid point.

Certainly, there are vaccinated children who have fought off the toxins from the vaccines well and are doing well. Of course one will never know what the child would have been like otherwise because once the vaccines and all their foreign substances enter the body, they don't like to leave.

There is a huge range of vaccine injury and much of that goes unnoticed because it is chalked up to other conditions. If vaccines can have a strong influence on the development of autism, then there must be a wide range of potiential damage some of which would not be recognized by a vast majority of people on a surface level.
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