Originally Posted by Sonnenwende
What is wrong with needing to have good grades to go to college? That's the way it should be. All letting the floodgates open has done is cause a mass epidemic of credential inflation. You need a BA/BS for jobs that don't and never will require it. The market is so glutted with mediocre college grads the employers can just pick and choose and not really pay them much more than a high school/community college graduate. Hurray.
I agree that a lot of people in college shouldn't be there. I went and let's just say that in a senior level, just before graduating class, people didn't cite in papers. At all. Yea, sad.
That being said, I've spent most of my schooling in the German School system. It's much more rigorous. However, the hoops one needs to jump through to get to college start at 5th grade. Half the class moves on to high school track (aka college), then most of the rest move on to technical school (learning a trade) and a small percentage move on to the really base school (for those with mental disabilities). One 'could' show, through work, that one wanted to move from, say, the technical track to the university track, but only by passing a test in 10th grade. Oh, and the previous 5 yrs? You only studied technical stuff, nothing in the 'university' track level. After that, in the 13th grade, the HUGE winnowing took place where the majority of the students were weeded out, due to 'insufficient test scores' or other crap (seriously, they purposefully made it so that any small difficulty a student had, they were left behind & out). This is what a school system looks like for a place with 'free' public universities. No thank you.
Oh, and once you choose your technical field? Can't change it 'cuz there's no way to go back to school. Personally I'd rather have this system with its loans where someone, even in their 50s, can decide to go to school to get a degree to work in a better job.
Originally Posted by annethcz
The quality of education varies SO MUCH from place to place. I honestly think that the college-prep/AP classes I took at my middle class, suburban high school were more demanding and more educational than most of the classes I took at a state university.
It also amazes me to see how many college graduates I know who work in jobs that aren't even remotely related to their degree. In many cases, a college degree is merely a piece of paper that opens doors.
A college degree, as my mom says, is a piece of paper showing that you fought through & made it of being asked to do 'complicated' projects, with deadlines. It shows you are able to research & think critically. Hence, in the majority of fields, all someone wants to see is that a person has 'proof' of having these abilities (aka diploma).
That being said, I went through high school taking all of the AP and honors classes I could, so college was no big leap. I also started in the Anthropology program (which some in this thread have been dissing), which was an extremely rigorous program. Different majors taking an elective course used to bitch & moan how there was too much reading & writing. I doubled in business, and boy, was that a cakewalk. Seriously easy. I mean we had multiple choice tests!!! Ack. It's so funny though that a business degree means more than an Anthro one. At least at the Uni I attended, any employer would do better hiring an Anthro major vs. a business major. By leaps & bounds better.