Aluminum Toxicity

[emma1325]

http://www.upmc.com/healthatoz/pages...hunkiid=164929

See the above link for the full article!

"Aluminum toxicity...exposure to high levels can cause serious health problems. If you suspect you have been exposed to high levels of aluminum, contact your doctor.

Causes
Because aluminum is found in virtually all food, water, air, and soil, people may be exposed to high levels of aluminum when they:

Eat foods containing high levels of aluminum
Breath aluminum dust in workplace air
Live in dusty environments
Live where aluminum is mined or processed
Live near certain hazardous waste sites
Live where aluminum is naturally high
Receive vaccinations containing aluminum"

[kiara7]

Just about every vaccine contains aluminum. I'm surprised that no one has jumped on the aluminum wagon in public. Thimerosal is one thing, but no one is even mentioning alum. That is sad.

[Marnica]

http://www.generationrescue.org/auti...m-toxicity.htm

GR has some good journal articles that address Aluminum toxicity. IMO Aluminum is just as bad a thimerosol.

[littlecindy]

dr. sears' book *starts* to address it. he says that at least more research is needed.

[eireann]

Originally Posted by Marnica

http://www.generationrescue.org/auti...m-toxicity.htm

GR has some good journal articles that address Aluminum toxicity. IMO Aluminum is just as bad a thimerosol.

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[shuttlt]

The generation rescue link seems to imply that we are getting a few mg of aluminium over the first few years of life. Do we have any figures about the quantity we absorb in other ways, or how much is thought to be dangerous?

[Deborah]

the big stinky question with aluminum is differences in absorption between ingested and injected.

You'd think that studies would have been done on the safety of injecting aluminum into human subjects before they started injecting aluminum into human subjects. You would think wrong.

I've asked a number of pro-vaxers to find the studies on the safety of injecting aluminum...no luck so far.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by Deborah

the big stinky question with aluminum is differences in absorption between ingested and injected.

You'd think that studies would have been done on the safety of injecting aluminum into human subjects before they started injecting aluminum into human subjects. You would think wrong.

I've asked a number of pro-vaxers to find the studies on the safety of injecting aluminum...no luck so far.

OK. Are there any estimates of how much ingested aluminium ends up actually being absorbed? Are there animal studies?

Thinking about it, it is of course the time scales that are the problem. A 60+ year study to see if it causes long term neurological problems anyone? The best you're going to get long term would be to look at what happens to people who we know were exposed to abnormally high amounts of aluminium decades ago.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Deborah

the big stinky question with aluminum is differences in absorption between ingested and injected.

You'd think that studies would have been done on the safety of injecting aluminum into human subjects before they started injecting aluminum into human subjects. You would think wrong.

I've asked a number of pro-vaxers to find the studies on the safety of injecting aluminum...no luck so far.

There's none on the safety of injecting formadehyde either...or so says the CDC when I called them on this.

Have ANY of the individual vaccine ingredients been studied for safety?

[kiara7]

Yokel RA et al. The distribution of aluminum into and out of the brain. J Inorg Biochem 1999; 76: 127-132.

Campbell A et al. Chronic exposure to aluminum in drinking water increases inflammatory parameters selectively in the brain. J Neuroscience Res 2004; 75: 565-572.

Bishop NJ et al. Aluminum neurotoxicity in preterm infants receiving intravenous feeding solutions. N Engl J Med 1997; 336: 1557-1561.

Campbell A. Inflammation, neurodegenerative disease, and environmental exposures. Ann NY Acad Sci 2004; 1035: 117-132.

Shirabe T et al. Autopsy case of aluminum encephalopathy. Neuropathology 2002; 22: 206-210.

Armstrong RA et al. Hypothesis: Is Alzheimer’s disease a metal-induced immune disorder. Neurodegeneration 1995; 4: 107-111.

Flarend RE et al. In vivo absorption of aluminum-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al. Vaccine 1997; 15: 1314-1318.

Platt B et al. Aluminum toxicity in the rat brain: histochemical and immunocytochemical evidence. Brain Res Bull 2001; 55: 257-267.

[Luckyinlife]

To help reduce your chances of getting aluminum toxicity, take steps to avoid the following, which may contain aluminum:

Antacids
Antiperspirants
Dialysate (the solution of chemicals used in dialysis)
Immunizations
TPN (total parenteral nutrition) solutions

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

Are there any estimates of how much ingested aluminium ends up actually being absorbed?

I think its 0.1%.

[Deborah]

Thanks Kiara. This is the only one that looks like it deals with injected aluminum in vaccines:

[Flarend RE et al. In vivo absorption of aluminum-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al. Vaccine 1997; 15: 1314-1318.

[ema-adama]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

A 60+ year study to see if it causes long term neurological problems anyone? The best you're going to get long term would be to look at what happens to people who we know were exposed to abnormally high amounts of aluminium decades ago.

While I can sympathise with the limits of actually doing a long term study on injected aluminium and it's affects on the nervous system - that is not a good enough reason for me to dismiss aluminium as a problem.
Perhaps my children will have more access to verified information on the risks and benefits of injecting aluminium into babies, children and adults.
While it would have seriously hampered the development of vaccines to study the long term effects of all the ingredients, that is not a good enough reason for me to dismiss my concerns.
That is the problem the scientists who are developing vaccines need to be addressing. And the people who mandate that millions of babies and children are injected with ingredients that have unknown effects might one day have to defend.

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

O A 60+ year study to see if it causes long term neurological problems anyone? The best you're going to get long term would be to look at what happens to people who we know were exposed to abnormally high amounts of aluminium decades ago.

Aluminum is a known neurotoxin, many people think there is no need for a study like this - it's self explanatory.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by ema-adama

While I can sympathise with the limits of actually doing a long term study on injected aluminium and it's affects on the nervous system - that is not a good enough reason for me to dismiss aluminium as a problem.
Perhaps my children will have more access to verified information on the risks and benefits of injecting aluminium into babies, children and adults.
While it would have seriously hampered the development of vaccines to study the long term effects of all the ingredients, that is not a good enough reason for me to dismiss my concerns.
That is the problem the scientists who are developing vaccines need to be addressing. And the people who mandate that millions of babies and children are injected with ingredients that have unknown effects might one day have to defend.

I agree it is a problem for the scientists. I think it is a problem for us too. One of two things are possible:

1. On balance, harm will be caused by putting aluminium in vaccines.
2. On balance, harm will be caused by removing aluminium from vaccines.

We are in a position where we can't know, with as much certainty as we'd like, which is the case. There is no neutral position where you don't risk causing harm. One has to find ways, I think, of thinking about the risks and uncertainties in a such a way that one can come to a balanced judgement. Perhaps you've already done that. I'm certainly not there yet.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by kiara7

Aluminum is a known neurotoxin, many people think there is no need for a study like this - it's self explanatory.

The level of harm is associated to the quantity. There is no doubt that aluminium is a neurotoxin, but it is in the vaccine for a purpose. Surely one has to make a judgement balancing the benifit against the harm? If you believe the harm outweights the benifits, then fine. You also have to look at how much aluminium we are exposed to day to day. There is 0.04mg/Litre in breast milk, 0.225mg/Litre in formula and <0.85mg/shot (http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/div...c.jsp?id=88655) in the worst vaccine I've found so far.

An average daily exposure of aluminium is about 10-15 mg, most of which comes from foods.

The deposition of aluminium following intramuscular injections had not been studied until recently because the low dose did not cause detectable changes in the plasma concentration (which is about 5micrograms per litre). However with newer techniques miniscule concentrations can now be measured. Preliminary experiments have shown that aluminium adjuvants are dissolved by citrate that is present in the space between cells and then rapidly eliminated from the body.

http://www.immune.org.nz/site_resour...es_(12_04).pdf

Do you really mean that simply because it's a neurotoxin, it's bad? Is my information wrong?

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by shuttlt

The level of harm is associated to the quantity. There is no doubt that aluminium is a neurotoxin, but it is in the vaccine for a purpose. Surely one has to make a judgement balancing the benifit against the harm?

Do you really mean that simply because it's a neurotoxin, it's bad? Is my information wrong?

I am not a believer in "dose makes a poison" theory. Aluminum toxicity is well documented. It is known that aluminum accumulates in the brain (very strong links with Alzheimer's) and tissues and causes neurodegeneration.


Flarend RE et al. In vivo absorption of aluminum-containing vaccine adjuvants using 26Al. Vaccine 1997; 15: 1314-1318.

larend and co-workers studied the fate of vaccine injected aluminum in the dose approved by the FDA (0.85 mg per dose) using radiolabeled aluminum adjuvant –either aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate, the two approved forms of adjuvants used in vaccines. They found that the aluminum was rapidly absorbed into the blood from both forms of aluminum, but that the aluminum phosphate was absorbed faster and produced tissue levels 2.9x higher than aluminum hydroxide. Blood levels of aluminum remained elevated for 28 days with both adjuvants. Elevated aluminum levels were found in the kidney, spleen, liver, heart, lymph nodes and brain.

If you are up for it, let's calculate the amount of aluminum on the schedule of vaccines. FDA "safe" amount is 0.85mg. Last time I did the math, for the 36 vaccines on the schedule I got 30.5mg.

[shuttlt]

Originally Posted by kiara7

I am not a believer in "dose makes a poison" theory. Aluminum toxicity is well documented. It is known that aluminum accumulates in the brain (very strong links with Alzheimer's) and tissues and causes neurodegeneration.

If you don't think dose is important, I'm not sure how to argue with you. Aluminium is undoubtedly a neurotoxin.

If you are up for it, let's calculate the amount of aluminum on the schedule of vaccines. FDA "safe" amount is 0.85mg. Last time I did the math, for the 36 vaccines on the schedule I got 30.5mg.

Most vaccines are much less, so far as I have seen. My impression is that you'd be talking about more like 10mg, maybe 15mg. Then there is the period of time that dose is spread over. Again, if dose isn't important, it doesn't really matter.

What is your view on the difficulty in detecting the additional aluminium in the blood stream mentioned in my quote? I suspect this is the key argument for long term safety. We seem to have different information on this.

[shuttlt]

Actually, wait... your quote just compares the rate of absorption of two types of aluminium. I'm not sure what that tells us. Why should I care about this? The last two sentences may be talking about the absolute level of aluminium in the blood, or it may be talking about being able to detect this specially marked aluminium. Do you know which?