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post #141 of 239
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Originally Posted by because why not? View Post
I will cook this crow over the heat of your white-hot sarcasm, and eat it over there in the corner. :
Seriously - this whole thread had me chuckling, but I am rolling over here right now. This is simply the best one liner I've read here in YEARS - because why not - simply fantastic!

post #142 of 239
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Originally Posted by MayBaby2007 View Post
This is what I do with my 2 yo. She's too young to break out the diagram and labels, so we use "vagina". I'm almost sure that everyone in the entire country has heard the word "vagina". So, if my daughter tells her gramma, teacher, or other adult that "johnny touched my vagina"....she will be heard. Whereas if she says "johnny touched my vulva", the teacher/whoever may scratch their head and say, "Ok. Well, tell him not to anymore. Go along and play now....."
Just curious about your post (I'm not trying to be snarky), are you saying that people will not know what a vulva is? As in you know folks that have no idea what that word refers to?
post #143 of 239
This tread has focused a lot on the female anatomy. I'm curious about the male anatomy and what people are doing.

What do you call your son's bits? Penis and testicles? Penis and scrotum? As I think I mentioned in an earlier post one is technically more correct than the other but just like the vagina/vulva issue, seems not to be the popular choice.
post #144 of 239
We use penis and scrotum, but we also say that inside the scrotum are testicles.

I don't think 2 is too young for diagrams and labels. We've been looking at anatomy books since at least 2.
post #145 of 239
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are you saying that people will not know what a vulva is? As in you know folks that have no idea what that word refers to?
I have heard one of my Girl Scouts say "vulva" and half the troop (ages 9-11) say, "What??" (Confusion was resolved by a wave of the hand toward the relevant area.) Years ago when there was a "Seinfeld" episode about dating a woman whose name rhymed with a female part but he couldn't remember which , the majority of people in my office lunchroom were puzzling over why one of his guesses was "Mulva". And I went to high school with a guy whose last name was Mulva and never once heard him teased about it, which I'm sure he would've been if most people knew the word vulva.
post #146 of 239
My husband's stepmother was horrified when our 3-year-olds said "nipples" in front of her. "WHERE did she LEARN that WORD?" Um, from us? Because she has them?

God help us if Alex decides to show off her knowledge about baby brother's scrotum on our next visit...
post #147 of 239
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Originally Posted by AbbieB View Post
Just curious about your post (I'm not trying to be snarky), are you saying that people will not know what a vulva is? As in you know folks that have no idea what that word refers to?
I don't think I knew, for sure, what "vulva" meant until I was about 30. We have a woman on this thread talking about coworkers who had no idea what a clitoris was (two coworkers, both female!). It wouldn't surprise me at all if a significant number of people don't know what it means.

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Originally Posted by AbbieB View Post
This tread has focused a lot on the female anatomy. I'm curious about the male anatomy and what people are doing.

What do you call your son's bits? Penis and testicles? Penis and scrotum? As I think I mentioned in an earlier post one is technically more correct than the other but just like the vagina/vulva issue, seems not to be the popular choice.
Penis and scrotum, but the kids also know that he has testicles inside his scrotum. (They're also familiar with "balls", though.)
post #148 of 239
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
I don't even get what you're saying here. If adults don't know the proper term, but think that they do, how on earth can it be "easy-peasy" to use the actual term?

I'd heard the term 'vulva' many times, without actually knowing what it was, and I was taught that my genitals were my 'vagina'. I know that at some point, I realized that vagina only technically applied to the birth canal...but I still didn't know what the general term for a woman's genitalia was, and assumed that 'vagina' had been expanded, in the usage, beyond the birth canal. We didn't even learn that when we went through the whole "these are the changes your body will go through" spiel in 5th grade. I now know the terms is 'vulva'...but I still tend to think 'vagina'.

I think it's good that parents try to teach their children the proper terms, even if they don't get them exactly right - and it beats the heck out of calling the vulva a 'purse'! (As kriket said, even 'vagina', instead of 'vulva' works, when it comes to a child reporting inappropriate touches...and most adults will know exactly what the child means.) I think I taught ds1 'vagina', and dd has had a mix of both (because I know the correct term, but am still in the habit of using the incorrect one). She's figuring it out.
yeah...I think the most important thing here is that a child feel comfortable talking about their vagina...or vulva..or penis because kids shouldn't feel ashamed of their bodies.
post #149 of 239
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Originally Posted by Lisa1970 View Post
I find the word for penis being goober is disgusting. Isn't a goober...a nose mucous grossy thingy? uuggghhh...I would way rather hear penis.
it is also a chocolate-covered nut and quite yummy
post #150 of 239
I don't have boys but I seem to recall my mother referring to my nephew's "tally wacker". I am sorry but that sounds way more obscene than penis.
post #151 of 239
Last night I tried to teach my daughter the word "vulva." She's 23 months and I attempted it awhile ago when we were learning other body parts but she didn't have very many words so it was quickly forgotten. Now that she is potty training and picking up words fast I figured I'd try to teach her. She was naked - i was not but she accidently hit me when she was jumping on the bed. I took the opportunity to explain that it hurt my vulva. And since she had no clothes on I pointed to hers. She tried to say the word and it comes out more like "wool-wa." And then later I realized she thought I was pointing to the snowflakes on my pajamas, which she also had on her shirt - weird coincidence. So a little while later we were talking about it with DH and she was pointing at all the snowflakes saying "wool-wa." So that lesson was a waste. And my DH said why don't we just have her call it "woo-woo." Uh, noooo. I've never liked words like that and I have no idea what I called it when I was a kid but i always though my teenage friends words for it were so gross. But, i'm thinking that if she can't pronounce vulva or vagina maybe it's just better to teach her a common "cute" word. I don't think any teacher is going to know what she's talking about if she tells them that someone touched her "wool-wa."
post #152 of 239
I still think you should teach her the right word, and she will learn proper pronunciation when she gets older like any other word. My dd called it bulba for a long time.
post #153 of 239

My health teacher in middle school had a little rant about that bit in that one movie (with Arnold S., "kindergarten cop"?) where the girl says "boys have a penis and girls have a vagina!" she went off that if anything the clitoris was the equivalent of the penis when it came to sex which is what the girl was talking about.

Obviously, in that class we learned all the proper terms.

Funnily, my somewhat prudish mother approved of the teacher even with all the details about what bits did what and which just felt good and so forth, because the teacher presented everything as "when you're an adult, sex is like..."
post #154 of 239
I hope to goodness no little girl ever comes up to me to say someone touched her vagina if she gets accidentally bumped between her legs cause I will have a heart attack before remembering that she might just mean the outside bit.
post #155 of 239
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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
I still think you should teach her the right word, and she will learn proper pronunciation when she gets older like any other word. My dd called it bulba for a long time.
: After all, lots of little kids say "pisghetti," but we don't change to telling them spaghetti is something that's easier to pronounce. If you just keep modeling "vulva," she'll say it correctly when she's able to.
post #156 of 239
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
Penis and scrotum, but the kids also know that he has testicles inside his scrotum. (They're also familiar with "balls", though.)
In Spanish, it's juevos, which translates into eggs.

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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
in that one movie (with Arnold S., "kindergarten cop"?) where the girl says "boys have a penis and girls have a vagina!" she went off that if anything the clitoris was the equivalent of the penis when it came to sex which is what the girl was talking about.

(it was a boy in the movie, not a girl, who's mom was a gynecologist)

Also, regarding, most people don't know the term vulva: I don't think that should stop us from teaching our children the proper term. Ignorance breeds ignorance, right? Not that anyone here is doing that. I just mean, if so many adults (myself included) didn't even know the term vulva or what it meant until they were adults, don't we want better for our children? Just because the teacher may not know what the term vulva means, does that mean we should continue to use the improper, inaccurate term of vagina?
post #157 of 239
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
Not using it as a scapegoat - but a possible reason. We also had a class, I know it was biology in high school, but there was also sections on it in elementary school (social studies..?) where we went over and labelled the body parts - completely separate from sex-ed - it was just something that was learned. That was another class I was talking about.
I haven't yet read through all the responses...(I'm glad this topic is so popular!) but wanted to respond to this.

I was a Jr. High Biology teacher for years (part of that was teaching reproduction, although not technically sex ed) and am now an educator for a county health department. What I have noticed is that many health and sex ed curricula don't place much emphasis on the external female genitalia, just the internal, especially at the junior high level. I had to review quite a few before I found a really comprehensive curriculum that was acceptable to the powers that be in my agency.

So, I'm not really surprised when some don't know as much about the external female genitals. I've had fathers in my childbirth classes also say, "Huh...I didn't know that," when they learned more about what's down there.
post #158 of 239
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Originally Posted by library lady View Post
I don't have boys but I seem to recall my mother referring to my nephew's "tally wacker". I am sorry but that sounds way more obscene than penis.
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I know this in totally un-couth of me, but I'm going to start saying tally wacker again!

oh! and wanker!
post #159 of 239
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Originally Posted by azjen43 View Post
I haven't yet read through all the responses...(I'm glad this topic is so popular!) but wanted to respond to this.

I was a Jr. High Biology teacher for years (part of that was teaching reproduction, although not technically sex ed) and am now an educator for a county health department. What I have noticed is that many health and sex ed curricula don't place much emphasis on the external female genitalia, just the internal, especially at the junior high level. I had to review quite a few before I found a really comprehensive curriculum that was acceptable to the powers that be in my agency.

So, I'm not really surprised when some don't know as much about the external female genitals. I've had fathers in my childbirth classes also say, "Huh...I didn't know that," when they learned more about what's down there.


lol...thats so true! My husband can very easily tell me what fallopian tubes are and where they are...but I said the word vulva the other day and he had to ask me what it was all shyly of course...
post #160 of 239
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Originally Posted by TortelliniMama View Post
But the other day, she was 'exploring' and suddenly announced to me, "I have a penis!" She pulled her diaper down in the front and pointed at her clitoris.

"Actually, that's your clitoris," I told her.

"No!" she insisted. "It's my penis." I decided to choose my battles and dropped it. (Besides, dd's personality is that she would argue it to the death at that moment, but since I dropped it, next week she's likely to point it out and tell me it's her clitoris. )
Your daughter is pretty insightful, actually. The clitoris in the female is equivalent to the penis in the male; they come from the same embyronic tissue.

With DS, we use penis. Less frequently we refer to his scrotum or testicles. I also make sure he understand what his foreskin is and why some other boys' penises look different than his. We also sometimes refer to the general area as "crotch". Haven't really gotten into discussion of girl parts yet, though he does call breasts "boobies". We usually call the buttocks "butt". So I guess we are pretty mixed on our terminology usage.
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