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post #101 of 179
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
I would be pretty alarmed if someone's child was in an immediate, potentially life threatening situation and they were here posting about it in lengthy detail instead of calling a doctor and asking, or a nurse helpline or something.

I would be even more alarmed if said person was told (and took that advice) "oh mama, it's fine, don't worry, you don't have to call a HCP they'll just tell you to get treatment".
so we'll just leave it up to the forum moderators to decide for us when we're allowed to ask questions, since clearly we're not intelligent enough to decide for ourselves when we need emergency medical care and when we just need some BTDT mamas to help us figure out what is going on.

i don't think most people would be shocked at someone calling their mom or their close mama friend in most of these circumstances. but when you don't have that IRL support i guess you should just run to a doctor for every little thing, just to be on the safe side? or maybe that only applies to childbirth.
post #102 of 179
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
The same could be said for any number of fourms or subforums or threads on mdc - it seems as if the UC forum is being singled out. What if someoen advises to keep nursing a ftt baby with a mother who has supply issues? What if soemone advises against the chicken pox vaccine and a child gets the chicken pox and dies? It just seems as if it would make more sense to say, these are just opinions etc seek medical advice etc, and leave it at that, for ALL the forums. But to shut down only one forum when all the others are still offering potentially dangerous advice seems silly.
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That's what these boards are: advice and support!!!
post #103 of 179
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Originally Posted by Ziggysmama View Post
Do you really want to put your and your baby's fate in the hands of some anonymous person on the web?
I would like to know what UCer is putting their and their baby's fate in ANYONE'S hands? To my knowledge, nobody. That's exactly what it is, taking responsibility rather than handing it over.

This is really, really sad. I understand that no matter how much this reeks of prejudice, the rules will probably not be changed. But wow... we're not able to post support for a woman publicly, just because she's in labor? Oh my. I guess I'm just surprised. Terribly, horribly surprised.
post #104 of 179
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
Well, just because someone is in labor does not mean they are in immediate life-threatening danger.
Obviously. Thus why I said 'potentially', and if someone is asking a question of a certain type, my analogy does fit.

Again, I have had two VBAC UCs on purpose. I do not think that labor is life threatening.

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Originally Posted by Ziggysmama View Post
I think it comes down to this, to a certain degree. This is the INTERNET. You dont know who you are talking to on these boards. It seriously could be ANYONE you are asking advice from. It could be a 60 year old man, sitting in his basement, getting off on birth stories. It could be someone who has never even given birth (I've seen that happen). You don't know how qualified anyone if to give you advice. Do you really want to put your and your baby's fate in the hands of some anonymous person on the web?
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Originally Posted by Ziggysmama View Post
I do believe in following your instincts, if those instincts say "call a midwife" "go to hospital" DO IT. Whos instincts say "Chat online to my internet buddies"?
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post #105 of 179
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Originally Posted by GinnyMama View Post
I would like to know what UCer is putting their and their baby's fate in ANYONE'S hands? To my knowledge, nobody.
Not true. I barely even read in that forum anymore and I am aware of several who have. In fact that is the very reason that I stopped reading there.
post #106 of 179
Also, why all of a sudden are there more rules being imposed on the boards? Is this because an admin recently left and the new one is stricter or something? I'm pretty alarmed by the changes - it seems as if mothering.com should be above the kinds of butt-covering that's going on all over the world right now. Can't you just let us have freedom of speech?! The kinds of people who UC aren't about to sue your shirts off if something bad happens after posting on here - the UC choice is all about PERSONALLY taking responsibility!
post #107 of 179
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Originally Posted by BabyMae09 View Post
Also, why all of a sudden are there more rules being imposed on the boards? Is this because an admin recently left and the new one is stricter or something? I'm pretty alarmed by the changes - it seems as if mothering.com should be above the kinds of butt-covering that's going on all over the world right now. Can't you just let us have freedom of speech?! The kinds of people who UC aren't about to sue your shirts off if something bad happens after posting on here - the UC choice is all about PERSONALLY taking responsibility!
That's great in theory, but not reality. When people are grieving or are upset, they might want to blame others. I completely understand Mothering for wanting to cover its butt. I also think it was just a good move, and I've disagreed with a lot here.

And I won't bring up any particular stories, but not all UCs are about personal responsibility. At least, not when it goes bad. So I can see why MDC would want to make sure they can't be sued.
post #108 of 179
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Originally Posted by Ziggysmama View Post
I think it comes down to this, to a certain degree. This is the INTERNET. You dont know who you are talking to on these boards. It seriously could be ANYONE you are asking advice from. It could be a 60 year old man, sitting in his basement, getting off on birth stories. It could be someone who has never even given birth (I've seen that happen). You don't know how qualified anyone if to give you advice. Do you really want to put your and your baby's fate in the hands of some anonymous person on the web?

I do believe in following your instincts, if those instincts say "call a midwife" "go to hospital" DO IT. Whos instincts say "Chat online to my internet buddies"?
All this is true wether you are talking about a woman in labor or a child with a high fever who has been vomiting for 3 days or with some weird rash or a baby who is not taking the breast.
post #109 of 179
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
Not true. I barely even read in that forum anymore and I am aware of several who have. In fact that is the very reason that I stopped reading there.
Oh. Lol! I guess I just personally am not willing to put my baby's well being in anybody's hands but my own. I assumed that others were the same. Oops!

Sorry about the deviation from the original topic. Just wanted to acknowledge this post.
post #110 of 179
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
All this is true wether you are talking about a woman in labor or a child with a high fever who has been vomiting for 3 days or with some weird rash or a baby who is not taking the breast.
And it has been said several times on this thread that other forums would be undergoing guideline changes

But the OP was about the UC forum guideline changes.
post #111 of 179
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Originally Posted by channelofpeace View Post
And it has been said several times on this thread that other forums would be undergoing guideline changes

But the OP was about the UC forum guideline changes.
that is not what i read. my understanding was that only woman in labor could not seek 'medical advice' on the forums. abimommy did not say anything about health and healing or vaccines or breastfeeding, etc.
post #112 of 179
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
so we'll just leave it up to the forum moderators to decide for us when we're allowed to ask questions, since clearly we're not intelligent enough to decide for ourselves when we need emergency medical care and when we just need some BTDT mamas to help us figure out what is going on.

i don't think most people would be shocked at someone calling their mom or their close mama friend in most of these circumstances. but when you don't have that IRL support i guess you should just run to a doctor for every little thing, just to be on the safe side? or maybe that only applies to childbirth.
Yeah to all of that.
post #113 of 179
So sad, I need to read this thread later but I am so sad.
post #114 of 179
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All this is true wether you are talking about a woman in labor or a child with a high fever who has been vomiting for 3 days or with some weird rash or a baby who is not taking the breast.
Yes, very true MDC's purpose is not for members to be dispensing medical advice. Mothering is very much in favor of parents exploring alternative and integrative approaches to family health. MDC provides information, support and community to help parents who wish to make truly informed decisions gain access to helpful information, articles, links, personal experiences, etc.

We are going to be revamping a variety of boards to ensure that our purpose is more clear. No one is questioning anyone's intelligence. No one is saying that birth is "unsafe." The decision to limit active labor threads was not made with regard to one particular thread or member, and it's not about anyone being stricter or unsupportive of UC. Anyone who knows me would most likely be very surprised by this characterization.
post #115 of 179
i'm not a UC'er either, but this seems so extreme. why not just put the legal declaimer in the UA and forum guidelines, and leave it at that?

*sigh

another step away from mothering.com towards monitoring.com.
post #116 of 179
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
that is not what i read. my understanding was that only woman in labor could not seek 'medical advice' on the forums. abimommy did not say anything about health and healing or vaccines or breastfeeding, etc.
I did actually, I said we would be looking at Health and Healing.

I don't know about the others.
post #117 of 179
OK - now i need a major clarification. i was looking through the UC forum and found one of the shut down threads. the reason stated was that no advice was allowed to be given to a mama "in active labor." pretty much everything i know about birth and have ever read about birth does not consider the rupture of membranes with absolutely no contractions or other indications of birth being imminent to be "active labor" whatsoever. my understanding of "active labor" means you are having regular, defined contractions, typically ones that you have difficulty walking and talking through.

so what exactly is the source for defining ROM with no other labor onset 'symptoms' (for lack of a better word) as "active labor?" and if ROM in itself can be defined as "active labor" what other aspects of labor might be considered "active labor" that are not typically seen as such by birth professionals? irregular ctx? cervical dilation? effacement? being past a certain number of weeks gestation? i'm not being cheeky here, i really want to know. because it is one thing to say that you won't allow advice during active labor, it's another thing entirely deciding what active labor is - and IMO ROM without anything else going on is not active labor. i know we're not supposed to talk about specific threads, so i'm trying not to, but that particular thread brought up these questions for me and i'm not sure how else to phrase this. i'm happy to edit it if need-be, but i think the question is really important.
post #118 of 179
oh yikes... thank you to whoeever* started this thread!

I want to say that I think giving "advice" and giving "medical advise" is very similar. how does one know the difference? can we advise on OTC but not prescription drugs? or can we advise on castor oil, but not on seeing a chiropractor? where on earth do we draw this line? or is the plan that everyone gets so many warnings that they get sick of the UC thread all together an stop coming so that then MDC can close it down because noone uses it? (just a thought, I don't mean to be snide)


I'm not sure how this is going to work. what use would the UC forum be without some level of advice and encouragement?

If MDC really does need to cover their butts, perhaps it would be more beneficial to have people sign an agreement when siging up for MDC that they will not hold MDC accountable for ANY advise they choose to take or not take? you sign up for these type of disclaimers for other "advise forums".
post #119 of 179
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
OK - now i need a major clarification. i was looking through the UC forum and found one of the shut down threads. the reason stated was that no advice was allowed to be given to a mama "in active labor." pretty much everything i know about birth and have ever read about birth does not consider the rupture of membranes with absolutely no contractions or other indications of birth being imminent to be "active labor" whatsoever. my understanding of "active labor" means you are having regular, defined contractions, typically ones that you have difficulty walking and talking through.

so what exactly is the source for defining ROM with no other labor onset 'symptoms' (for lack of a better word) as "active labor?" and if ROM in itself can be defined as "active labor" what other aspects of labor might be considered "active labor" that are not typically seen as such by birth professionals? irregular ctx? cervical dilation? effacement? being past a certain number of weeks gestation? i'm not being cheeky here, i really want to know. because it is one thing to say that you won't allow advice during active labor, it's another thing entirely deciding what active labor is - and IMO ROM without anything else going on is not active labor. i know we're not supposed to talk about specific threads, so i'm trying not to, but that particular thread brought up these questions for me and i'm not sure how else to phrase this. i'm happy to edit it if need-be, but i think the question is really important.

Great point!
post #120 of 179
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Originally Posted by georgia View Post
Yes, very true MDC's purpose is not for members to be dispensing medical advice. Mothering is very much in favor of parents exploring alternative and integrative approaches to family health. MDC provides information, support and community to help parents who wish to make truly informed decisions gain access to helpful information, articles, links, personal experiences, etc.

We are going to be revamping a variety of boards to ensure that our purpose is more clear. No one is questioning anyone's intelligence. No one is saying that birth is "unsafe." The decision to limit active labor threads was not made with regard to one particular thread or member, and it's not about anyone being stricter or unsupportive of UC. Anyone who knows me would most likely be very surprised by this characterization.
Not so much anymore (to the 1st paragraph). And as far as the second paragraph...I don't agree.
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