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post #141 of 179
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Originally Posted by HennyPenny View Post
but really... I dind't realize this ban would be from all labouring woman from starting threads...
I haven't seen anyone say that, except for a couple of PPs who seem a little panicky and are exaggerating things.

I really don't think that the mods here are going to be installing monitoring systems in people's homes to make sure that no laboring-while-typing is going on.

Furthermore, I don't think they care if someone is in labor and is chatting. I think there is a huge difference between "I've been in labor for 9 hours, it's harder than I remembered (here's why)" and "x seems to be wrong, what should I do?".
post #142 of 179
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Originally Posted by mellowyellowmama View Post
The life of the mom and baby are not threatened in labor! Oh my goodness!
sometimes, in fact, they ARE. i don't know how you could claim so unequivocally that they are NOT.
post #143 of 179
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Originally Posted by mrsfrenchy View Post
I'm still wondering about the definintion of "active labor" since threads are being closed using the reason of "active labor" but the poster isn't actually in the medical definition of active labor.

I know that the admins need time to discuss this and its a lot of questions, but it seems like a lot of things aren't being answered.

Hahaha.. Yeah.
I thought this was funny. Its true that it seems like the last few issues were with moms who had ruptured membranes but weren't in active labor.... that was the whole problem..

very clever.
post #144 of 179
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
This is what I was thinking, and unable to say. Is UC more dangerous than not vaxinng or not circing or not seeking medical help in other areas?
i think UC (the in labor questions, anyhow) is more like stuff that gets posted in H&H--like "my kid might have meningitis, what should i do?"

circ is different, vax is different, IMO because in those cases there are health ramifications but they aren't immediately.

FWIW i have usually seen people on the H&H board tell people in dangerous-seeming situations basically "get thee to the doctor." i don't know about UC because i don't hang out there much.
post #145 of 179
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
I would be pretty alarmed if someone's child was in an immediate, potentially life threatening situation and they were here posting about it in lengthy detail instead of calling a doctor and asking, or a nurse helpline or something.
oh, i've seen it here. many times!
post #146 of 179
ABBIMOMMY

I swear I posted this earlier today but its not showing up??...

I have a question for you that maybe you could bring up in your meeting tomorrow.

Hypothetically, If a UC'er who is in labor feels like she needs advice, is it ok for her to post she is in labor, state her problem, then ask for advice if the advice is PMed?
Thus making the advice not public?


I just think that instead of arguing over every detail, why don't those on the board who feel like they may want to get another wise womans advice whlie they are in labor, think of solutions.


on a side note:
There is a strange phenomenon on the UC board, though. women who have no interest in UCing will come to the UC boards for wise woman advice and even though they may not agree with the decision to UC, they can feel the wisdom that is posessed by these women and seek it.
Interesting...

however, women who are PLANNING OR HAVE PLANNED a UC usually do a lot of soul searching and decide that they are ultimately responsible for the decisions they make during labor and birth.

Some one who is not in the right mind frame may make poor judgement or feel pressured to do a certain thing in the heat of the moment.. Even someone who has done preparation and learning, when faced with a factor that had not been thought of.

I think the best thing to do in that situation could be to offer resources to the women seeking advice, but maybe refrain from directly giving that advice.
That way she may find resources that she hadn't seen before and can make a more educated decision with out emotion getting in the way??

I don't know...

I definately have mixed feelings on this issue.
No birth is ever going to be exactly the same, and sometimes weird situations can come up that you had not heard about, or whatever. It would be nice to be pointed in the direction of where you can learn about it, if thats something you need.

But I also agree that going online and asking for advice is a good way to mess up your intuition, which is what we all advocate doing, anyway...

Know what I mean?

respectfully,
post #147 of 179
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
I haven't seen anyone say that, except for a couple of PPs who seem a little panicky and are exaggerating things.

I really don't think that the mods here are going to be installing monitoring systems in people's homes to make sure that no laboring-while-typing is going on.

Furthermore, I don't think they care if someone is in labor and is chatting. I think there is a huge difference between "I've been in labor for 9 hours, it's harder than I remembered (here's why)" and "x seems to be wrong, what should I do?".
Quote from Abimommy: "Hello,

I am sorry but I have to close this thread. We can no longer host threads for individuals in active labor.

Please read the forum guidelines."

located on this thread: http://mothering.com/discussions/sho....php?t=1059506


I will be interested to see what comes out of the mod discussion tomorrow.

I dont blame the mods, and Im not angry at them - I *know* they are doing what they believe is right, and what they believe keeps everyone safe and legally clear - I just think they need to give this issue more (maybe openminded) thought before they make changes.

Further, I think if this kind of change was going to be made, it should have been made to all the threads this advice rule is going to affect at the same time rather than forum by forum, or start with one that utilizes medical advice WAY more frequently than the UC board does (birth professionals etc..)
post #148 of 179
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Further, I think if this kind of change was going to be made, it should have been made to all the threads this advice rule is going to affect at the same time rather than forum by forum, or start with one that utilizes medical advice WAY more frequently than the UC board does (birth professionals etc..)
The reality is based on on-going issues/concerns, trolling, etc. UC happened to be the most in need of our focused attention.

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I dont blame the mods, and Im not angry at them - I *know* they are doing what they believe is right, and what they believe keeps everyone safe and legally clear - I just think they need to give this issue more (maybe openminded) thought before they make changes.
For the record, I wanted to clear up that Moderators do not make board policy I don't want the responsibility for these changes to mistakenly fall at their feet. Moderators help to ensure that the User Agreement is upheld and the forum guidelines are followed. Moderators may or may not personally agree with a board policy. Mods are dedicated community volunteers who give generously of their time to keep the community running as smoothly as possible, and I just wanted to make sure that no one has the mistaken impression that they are off somewhere making changes. The responsibility for board changes rests squarely on the administrators' shoulders, for better or worse.

post #149 of 179
Thread Starter 
I apologize I have been using the word moderator when I should have been saying administrator. I am aware that the admins are the ones who make changes - and the mods just enforce the rules...

sorry for my mix up.
post #150 of 179
Oh, no apology needed I realize that many members aren't actually aware that the Moderators are not the ones making the rules, and thus, the Moderators often are targets of unwarranted hostility. I was just trying to clear that up because it's a common misconception.

I think that was my PSA to be kind the Moderators and direct frustration/helpful suggestions to the right people I guess

Have a great night!
post #151 of 179
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
Quote from Abimommy: "Hello,

I am sorry but I have to close this thread. We can no longer host threads for individuals in active labor.

Please read the forum guidelines."

located on this thread: http://mothering.com/discussions/sho....php?t=1059506
This is what I mean. Nowhere does this say "nobody who is in labor is allowed to post here".

And I feel the need to point out to the PPs who are adamantly calling for this rule to be applied to every forum, that your arguments to make it 'fair' are just baffling to me. You don't want this rule in one forum, so you are going to try to make the same rule in other forums as well?

Misery loves company?
post #152 of 179
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
This is what I mean. Nowhere does this say "nobody who is in labor is allowed to post here".

And I feel the need to point out to the PPs who are adamantly calling for this rule to be applied to every forum, that your arguments to make it 'fair' are just baffling to me. You don't want this rule in one forum, so you are going to try to make the same rule in other forums as well?

Misery loves company?
It says MDC no longer hosts threads for women in active labour....

And the reason some are asking for it to be applied to other forums is because it is clear that this rule is not going to be lifted in the UC case - and we feel that if the "why" behind the rule is so that no one is getting medical advice from a non HCP, and so that MDC is not legally liable - than it only seems logical that this rule be applied to *ALL* forums where medical advice is given and where MDC could be held legally liable for what they read.

If I (and I think most of us who are in disagreement) had our way, we would just have that notification at the top of the forum that says *this is not meant to replace medical advice* and we would all be responsible for taking what we read and chosing whether or not to believe it. I would rather not be having this discussion at all and have things just be as they were.
post #153 of 179
removing duplicate.
post #154 of 179
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
It says MDC no longer hosts threads for women in active labour....

And the reason some are asking for it to be applied to other forums is because it is clear that this rule is not going to be lifted in the UC case - and we feel that if the "why" behind the rule is so that no one is getting medical advice from a non HCP, and so that MDC is not legally liable - than it only seems logical that this rule be applied to *ALL* forums where medical advice is given and where MDC could be held legally liable for what they read.

If I (and I think most of us who are in disagreement) had our way, we would just have that notification at the top of the forum that says *this is not meant to replace medical advice* and we would all be responsible for taking what we read and chosing whether or not to believe it. I would rather not be having this discussion at all and have things just be as they were.
But there is obviously a difference between a woman who happens to be chatting online while in labor, and a woman who starts an "I AM IN LABOR ~ WHAT DO I DO" thread.

I think this is a good thing for mama's and babies. If you want a UC, have a UC... you shouldn't need answers to serious questions about GBS and PROM in the midst of labor, you should have all that answered ahead of time, don't you think?
post #155 of 179
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Originally Posted by Mama Dragon View Post
I'm thrilled about this. Telling a woman in active labor to stay home when she's not sure what to do can potentially kill her baby. The UC forum went from only a select few would UC to it's a free for all, women coming in with no thought of UC before labor. Support during labor is one thing, asking for medical advice - no, if you need to ask, go to a midwife or doctor. If you don't know, you didn't research UC enough and probably shouldn't be doing it.

And yes, I did have a UC and feel qualified to post this!
I agree.
post #156 of 179
i suppose that every UCer could also put in her sig-line "my statements are not medical advice. if you feel you need medical advice, see your health care provider."

you know, then everyone is free and clear.
post #157 of 179
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Originally Posted by zoebird View Post
i suppose that every UCer could also put in her sig-line "my statements are not medical advice. if you feel you need medical advice, see your health care provider."

you know, then everyone is free and clear.
I wish it were in the UA or something. Even the mw's in the birth professionals forum shouldnt have to say it, it should just be known. Why would you take "medical" advice from a stranger on the internet?? Consider their advice? sure...but along with your own research! They might not be who they say they are, you know?

I feel like the whole issue is redundant. I think MDC is just trying to find a way to Cover their behinds but I think theres got to be a much better way to do it than alienating certain topics/forums
post #158 of 179
Ok, so I have been reading all of this and let me get this straight.

We cannot post anymore when in active labor? What if we want encouragement? (I am not a UCER, but I am SURE this will have a trickle down effect).

I might as well go back to my mainstream forum and live in rainbow land with puppy dogs and butterflies.

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post #159 of 179
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Originally Posted by poiyt View Post
And the reason some are asking for it to be applied to other forums is because it is clear that this rule is not going to be lifted in the UC case - and we feel that if the "why" behind the rule is so that no one is getting medical advice from a non HCP, and so that MDC is not legally liable - than it only seems logical that this rule be applied to *ALL* forums where medical advice is given and where MDC could be held legally liable for what they read.
Actually, I think the *why* is because of the acute potential for deaths to occur, not necessarily because they are getting advice from a non HCP. I don't understand the comparisons to other forums. I stopped reading at the UC forum because it was too stressful. There were women posting in labor who were asking advice and then were never heard from again. There was a string of still births that seemed disproportionate to the other boards, and by examining the roll call thread that suspicion was confirmed. Sure, in the other forums there is the potential to get bad advice. In very rare cases that could contribute to a death. But in the UC forum the risks of bad advice are severe and immediate. Also, as far this "personal responsibility" thing, for the women who posted in active labor and then dropped off never to be heard from again, I really hope they are okay. But, if a situation like that happened and the woman did not make it, you can not tell her spouse not to sue MDC because the woman was taking personal responsibility. I am not one for more rules, but I think MDC is not only covering their butts, but is making a responsible and possibly life saving decision by doing this. If women are feeling compelled to seek advice in labor, then they should not interfere with their intuition by asking what others opinions are on the matter. Her intuition should lead her to seek or not seek medical advice, and by gathering the opinions of many people online, she will not be able to hear here own voice anymore. It would be like gathering 100 friends into your labor room and asking them all what they think you should do next. For a community that touts personal responsibility and intuition, I am really surprised that this kind of thing would be encouraged in the first place.
post #160 of 179
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Originally Posted by sg784 View Post
I wish it were in the UA or something. Even the mw's in the birth professionals forum shouldnt have to say it, it should just be known. Why would you take "medical" advice from a stranger on the internet?? Consider their advice? sure...but along with your own research! They might not be who they say they are, you know?
I feel like the whole issue is redundant. I think MDC is just trying to find a way to Cover their behinds but I think theres got to be a much better way to do it than alienating certain topics/forums

I agree with the bolded part. Unfortunately some people either lack the common sense or get caught up with the peer pressure or have a strong desire for acceptance and forget that.
Also, instead of just blaming MDC, maybe we should also take a look at the people who put their desire for some crunch award, "ideal" birth experience, etc above having a healthy baby and the people who encourage it partially responsible.
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