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Originally Posted by SevenVeils  This is what I mean. Nowhere does this say "nobody who is in labor is allowed to post here".
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Nobody claimed that. Henny Penny expressed concern that no woman in active labor would be able to start threads. I assume she meant to imply specifically threads about being in active labor, but regardless, the wording of the guideline is vague: "We can no longer host threads for individuals in active labor." I feel pretty sure that the admin' intent was not that literally no woman can start a thread while she's in active labor, but it can certainly be interpreted literally.
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| And I feel the need to point out to the PPs who are adamantly calling for this rule to be applied to every forum, that your arguments to make it 'fair' are just baffling to me. You don't want this rule in one forum, so you are going to try to make the same rule in other forums as well? Misery loves company? |
I didn't get the impression that anyone was bringing up "what about other forums" because they just want everyone to suffer. I can think of two reasons people might be making those types of comments --
If people are restricted from doing something in one forum, they're just going to go to another forum to do it. That's a valid point to hash over.
Second, as a means of pointing out the inequity/hypocrisy and trying to ferret out what this is
really about. If the concern is really about people getting non-PCP advice, then why not apply the rules to all forums? The implication being that it's
not just, or even at all, about that.
When you don't understand something, you could ask for an explanation. Casting aspersions really doesn't accomplish anything but make the other side feel attacked and ramp up the feeling that this is a battle with good guys and bad guys. :/
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Originally Posted by prettypixels I think this is a good thing for mama's and babies. If you want a UC, have a UC... you shouldn't need answers to serious questions about GBS and PROM in the midst of labor, you should have all that answered ahead of time, don't you think?
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How is it good to not have questions answered? Do you mean that such a restriction would force people to research more beforehand? I'm not so keen on the manipulative aspect of that. But even aside from that, it's just not realistic. Yes, ideally you
should have things worked out ahead of time. But people aren't perfect. Things come up that may have not occurred to them before it is actually happening to them. And not every situation is one in which a person has had time to consider those things -- sometimes people find themselves suddenly between a rock and a hard place with their care provider where previously everything seemed fine. It may not be in MDC's best interest to host those types of discussions, but the sentiment that the discussions themselves are invalid doesn't make sense to me.
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Originally Posted by jennica Actually, I think the *why* is because of the acute potential for deaths to occur, not necessarily because they are getting advice from a non HCP. I don't understand the comparisons to other forums.
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It applies to any forum where advice is being given. Here's an example: Recently my son fell down the stairs, passed out, and started twitching. We called 911. By the time the paramedics got here he was alert and seemed to be fine, and they did not have an opinion on whether we ought to get him further checked out at the hospital. I felt conflicted about this. Now say I had posted a "what do you think I should do" thread at MDC, and some people were saying "stay home and watch him" and others were saying "take him in," and we took the former advice but then later he died. (The Natasha Richardson incident has me thinking about this recently -- I'd never before heard of the "talk and die syndrome", and my intuition was that he was fine, and the paramedics thought he was fine, so we stayed home.)
This was arguably more of a potentially acute situation than the average labor, since an injury had already occurred. The difference is that there is no societal stigma against having stairs and letting a child walk unaided down them without a helmet. What it comes down to is that MDC is unlikely to get into legal trouble for allowing advice to be given about situations that aren't already lightening rods for controversy and societal outrage.
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| I stopped reading at the UC forum because it was too stressful. There were women posting in labor who were asking advice and then were never heard from again. |
I agree that it's upsetting. This is actually a minority, but they stand out in a way that similar postings wouldn't in other forums. I would personally be most comfortable having the UC forum be a protected forum that you couldn't post in until you had a certain amount of time/posts at MDC. But my comfort would come at the cost of some people not being able to use MDC as a resource for support/help. There just isn't a perfect answer.
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| There was a string of still births that seemed disproportionate to the other boards, |
Because people choosing UC
is such a lightening rod issue, there's a psychological sensitivity to what goes on in the UC boards. Recently a long-time MDC member claimed 14 preventable deaths. Why would she lie, and how could she make such an egregious mistake, right? So that sort of thing gets into people's heads and rachets up the level of fear about UC. Every undesired outcome stands out and becomes bigger and bigger in people's minds, like the fish that got away. I know midwives and doctors who have lost babies. Those stories don't get trotted out, for various reasons -- fear of litigation, because it's not their story to tell, ego. Whatever. On the UC boards we are transparent, and there's a price that comes with that. We keep a list of birth and deaths and stories in the interest of knowledge as power. Part of that means that we don't only list deaths that occur at home during a UC. But people who are anti-UC don't bother to read the stories, they just count up the little candle icons and think it proves something.
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| and by examining the roll call thread that suspicion was confirmed. |
Confirmed how? The other boards aren't keeping a tally.
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Originally Posted by Maeve maybe we should also take a look at the people who put their desire for some crunch award, "ideal" birth experience, etc above having a healthy baby and the people who encourage it partially responsible.
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Or, maybe we should not assume that that is why people are choosing homebirth and UC.
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