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[Mama~Love]

This is very interesting. I agree w/ poiyt, and look forward to more answers.

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[mellowyellowmama]

Wow, I am at a loss for words here. If I wasn't getting so much support from the UC forum, I wouldn't even come here at all anymore.

[mama in the forest]

It's interesting because many women who UC do not view labor and birth as medical events requiring medical advice. We do however, believe that Wise women who have birthed before can share their experiences, and that it is not medical advice. It is the ancient art of passing down the wisdom.

Could mamas in labor post a labor issue and invite personal PM's for advice?

Why are health care professionals allowed to post "medical" advice when I could go over to that forum and pretend to be a health care professional?

[mellowyellowmama]

Originally Posted by mama in the forest

It's interesting because many women who UC do not view labor and birth as medical events requiring medical advice. We do however, believe that Wise women who have birthed before can share their experiences, and that it is not medical advice. It is the ancient art of passing down the wisdom.

Could mamas in labor post a labor issue and invite personal PM's for advice?

Why are health care professionals allowed to post "medical" advice when I could go over to that forum and pretend to be a health care professional?

And I think it's completely relevant that ppl are posting their opinions and advice all over this forum, but UC is being singled out.

I understand if MDC needs to cover their butts and puts something in their UA, but then taking it further and closing threads?

You know what? I think this goes along with ppl behind scared of birth. Of fearing birth! Of not trusting birth! Just another thing happening to say that labor and birth are not safe! :

[BoringTales]

Originally Posted by Ziggysmama

I think the change is a very wise move on behalf of MDC and will help keep women and babies safe.

I totally agree and wish that this would get taken a bit further and applied to several other forums as well...

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by mellowyellowmama

And I think it's completely relevant that ppl are posting their opinions and advice all over this forum, but UC is being singled out.

I understand if MDC needs to cover their butts and puts something in their UA, but then taking it further and closing threads?

You know what? I think this goes along with ppl behind scared of birth. Of fearing birth! Of not trusting birth! Just another thing happening to say that labor and birth are not safe! :

Yes, why just the UC forum??

ITA about it making birth seem less safe.

[mellowyellowmama]

Originally Posted by BoringTales

I totally agree and wish that this would get taken a bit further and applied to several other forums as well...

I do not agree with you, but I do agree that if they are going to do this to the UC forum, then yes it needs to be applied to others as well.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by mama in the forest

It's interesting because many women who UC do not view labor and birth as medical events requiring medical advice. We do however, believe that Wise women who have birthed before can share their experiences, and that it is not medical advice. It is the ancient art of passing down the wisdom.

Could mamas in labor post a labor issue and invite personal PM's for advice?

Yes, they could ask for pms.

Why are health care professionals allowed to post "medical" advice when I could go over to that forum and pretend to be a health care professional?

We do not want HCPs posting advice. That forum was intended for Birth Professionals to discuss amongst themselves. It wasn't intended to be utilized as a substitute for a HCP.

We haven't had that discussion amongst the admins but it is *my* opinion that people asking or clarity or more information regarding a certain diagnoses wouldn't be bad but the forum cannot be used as a "Dr Internet" or "Midwife Internet"

[gossamerwindweb]

Originally Posted by mama in the forest

It's interesting because many women who UC do not view labor and birth as medical events requiring medical advice. We do however, believe that Wise women who have birthed before can share their experiences, and that it is not medical advice. It is the ancient art of passing down the wisdom.

Yeah, that is my feeling. The women who post on the UC forum obviously do not WANT medical advice. Or they are asking for other wise women's opinions about whether they should get medical advice or not. I was so very excited that there is a UC board here... because I have felt out of place on other UC mailing lists, etc. If I can't post here asking for support and advice during labor I feel like a lot of the goodness of the UC board has been taken away. Also, I don't think the other scenarios are red herrings. Medical advice and suggestions are being handed out all over the MDC boards. Not just in the UC board. Breastfeeding, vaccinating, even co-sleeping can all be considered medical issues where you should contact your medical care provider instead of talking on a board.

[mellowyellowmama]

Originally Posted by abimommy

Yes, they could ask for pms.

So, where do we post that on the UC forum? That mamas have to now request PM's and we still need the original question answered. When does that happen..a, b, c or d?

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by mellowyellowmama

So, where do we post that on the UC forum? That mamas have to now request PM's and we still need the original question answered. When does that happen..a, b, c or d?

When someone is in labor.

[poiyt]

Originally Posted by abimommy

We do not want HCPs posting advice. That forum was intended for Birth Professionals to discuss amongst themselves. It wasn't intended to be utilized as a substitute for a HCP.

We haven't had that discussion amongst the admins but it is *my* opinion that people asking or clarity or more information regarding a certain diagnoses wouldn't be bad but the forum cannot be used as a "Dr Internet" or "Midwife Internet"

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1060243 DIAGNOSE WHY IM SORE 14 DAYS PP


http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1060080 TELL ME IF ALL THESE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENED WILL HAPPEN AT MY NEXT BIRTH

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1059877 DIAGNOSE MY CERVIX, IM KID OF FREAKING OUT

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1059676 WHAT COULD BE CAUSING VAGINAL INFECTION

All these are located on page 1 of the birth professional page. All lay people asking for advice from birth professionals. It seems, if MDC is really concerned with giving medical advice the better place to start would have been to make sweeping changes to THAT forum as it is definately the greater "threat" in this regard. However, I have a feeling UC was singled out..well for a variety of reasons...

[accountclosed3]

i think that this makes for a confusing scenario.

on the one hand, i can understand why the board wants to make certain that people are not utilizing these boards as "Dr or Midwife Internet." Certainly, there are a lot of issues related to this.

on the other hand, it does seem strange that UCers in active labor are singled out, whereas others may not be (because they may have a HCP present or it doesn't have to do with labor/birth?).

in my experience, it is rare for a UCer in active labor to ask for medical or medical-like advice. i think that there might have been a thread on there recently--a what do i do now thread--asking for people's opinions on what they would do, not what the woman should do.

i do not think that asserting what i might do or did is offering medical advice, and i strive to avoid asserting what i think another should do, particularly without the caveat that if they have any doubts or concerns, then they should seek medical help.

i think that, overall, we are pretty good at policing ourselves. the larger problem on the UC board in my experience has not been laboring mothers asking for medical advice and UCers providing medical advice, but rather non-UCers pressuring laboring mothers to seek medical advice and using fear-mongering and other emotional pressuring tactics to push their anti-UC (whether specific to the poster or in general) agendas.

these, i have felt, have been decently moderated over time, too, with increasing protection of the safe place to share and experience UC without these pressures. that is, i feel that the moderators have done a very good job of creating a supportive environment for UCers overall.

I question, though, whether or not this sort of ruling is necessary or if it will simply be a case-by-case basis such as "this person has asked for medical advice, and therefore we have closed this thread" as opposed to "no labor threads" or similar.

i would think that a more liberal approach would be appropriate, though it does create more work for the moderators.

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by poiyt

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1060243 DIAGNOSE WHY IM SORE 14 DAYS PP


http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1060080 TELL ME IF ALL THESE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPENED WILL HAPPEN AT MY NEXT BIRTH

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1059877 DIAGNOSE MY CERVIX, IM KID OF FREAKING OUT

http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?t=1059676 WHAT COULD BE CAUSING VAGINAL INFECTION

All these are located on page 1 of the birth professional page. All lay people asking for advice from birth professionals. It seems, if MDC is really concerned with giving medical advice the better place to start would have been to make sweeping changes to THAT forum as it is definately the greater "threat" in this regard. However, I have a feeling UC was singled out..well for a variety of reasons...

Unlike a mother requesting help/advice while in labor none of the above threads involve situations where the life of the mother and/or baby may be threatened.

[mellowyellowmama]

Originally Posted by abimommy

When someone is in labor.

so mamas can not post a thread if they are in labor on the UC forum now? they can only ask for PM's?

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by Ziggysmama

I think the change is a very wise move on behalf of MDC and will help keep women and babies safe.

I agree.

[mellowyellowmama]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

Unlike a mother requesting help/advice while in labor none of the above threads involve situations where the life of the mother and/or baby may be threatened.

The life of the mom and baby are not threatened in labor! Oh my goodness!

[poiyt]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

Unlike a mother requesting help/advice while in labor none of the above threads involve situations where the life of the mother and/or baby may be threatened.

The issue of immenent danger was never brought up - the issue was giving medical advice only.

To a UC'er whose water has been broken for longer than the standard 24hr period, she does NOT see this as an emergency - others would - so immenency is in the eyes of the reader. Someone asking for help on their baby being sick (baby having meningitis recently - remember that one) that was more imminent IMO, but maybe not to others.

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by mellowyellowmama

The life of the mom and baby are not threatened in labor! Oh my goodness!

Some of the threads that have happened in the past have most certainly involved mothers that were in dangerous situations asking for advice.

[vbactivist]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton

Unlike a mother requesting help/advice while in labor none of the above threads involve situations where the life of the mother and/or baby may be threatened.

But there are definitely other threads (I don't have the time to go search for them) wehere that IS the case. Special needs parenting comes to mind - people ask for (and receive ) advise there every day. Also in Health and healing, and the case against circ. Breastfeeding, too. There are all kinds of "dangerous" situations being posted and 'opinions' given EVERY day on MDC.

Either say no to everyone or allow EVERYone.