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post #161 of 240
And for a lot of human history, people were in much sunnier climates, without such big seasonal swings in vitamin D production through the skin, and without such cold weather that any sane person is going to be in lots of layers all through the winter.
post #162 of 240
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Your free-T4 and free-T3 are both low, despite being in range. I'd consider those as part of fatigue-type issues. Healthy, feeling-good people are in the top third of the reference range.
I thought because they were in range, they were okay. But when I saw the osteopath on Tuesday, he said he'd rather see me up higher. He didn't say what he wanted to do with them though.

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I'm still not sure how much D we need to be taking to get and then stay in a good place. So 2000 IU wasn't enough to keep you high. Hmmm... helpful for me, less helpful for you, except to take more.
He said I should start taking 2 pills (4000iu) a night instead of just one. Though he did say I had the highest numbers of any of his patients he's tested!

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Magnesium (RBC) 3.7 (ref. range 4-6.4)
Zinc (RBC) 12.2 (ref. range 9-14.7)
Copper (RBC) 0.59 (ref. range .53-.77)
T4, free 1 (ref range 0.8-1.8)
T3, free 296 (ref range 230-420)
Vitamin D 35 (ref range 20-100)
He also has me on 800mg of magnesium now (200mg in my Travacor, plus another 600mg spaced out during the day).

I like this thread. It keeps all my stuff in one place so I don't always have to pull everything out.
post #163 of 240
During my last preg (two yrs ago) my MW kept mentioning that, depending on the person, a low-normal range can be just as bad, if not worse than a low-low range. (No idea why that would be, but this was the case for her--she was on armour even tho she was in the normal range) I know that thyroid is one of the things we'll be testing when I see my NDfor the first time this Wed!:
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During my last preg (two yrs ago) my MW kept mentioning that, depending on the person, a low-normal range can be just as bad, if not worse than a low-low range. (No idea why that would be, but this was the case for her--she was on armour even tho she was in the normal range) I know that thyroid is one of the things we'll be testing when I see my NDfor the first time this Wed!:
Hmm.... that's interesting. I wonder why that would be. I did see an Endo last fall and she put me on a super low dose of something to see if it would help and it didn't so she deduced that my thyroid was fine (she had never checked any Free anythings just TSH).
post #165 of 240
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Levoxyl is what she put me on I believe (I have to call the pharmacy to check and it's not open this late!). And in looking, that is one of those FT4 ones only, doesn't do anything for FT3, which is what I'm low in. How interesting is that? I looked at the symptom list again and I love that bottom one about the cold butt. DH is always saying it's weird how my butt is so cold. I also liked on the stop the thyroid madness site how it had the ingredients of the different ones (and that Armour has corn in it, but one of the others didn't so at least I know there are options). Very interesting....
post #166 of 240
Some folks are fine with a T4 supp and lots of extra selenium so that the T4 converts to T3. Either a supp or brazil nuts. WuWei would say don't supp over 200mcg of selenium per day (2 brazil nuts), I'd point out you're deficient and can likely go higher. But that's sorta typical for who we are.

One thing I would say is, if you're taking a zinc supp (are you?) you may want to not do brazil nuts every day--I haven't checked how much copper is in, say, 4 nuts, but the copper will get in the way of the zinc a bit. I've instituted brazil-nut-snack day with the kids once a week.
post #167 of 240
Tanya always gives all the useful information I have to give (probably because I've learned much of it from her ), so I end up just watching this thread.
post #168 of 240
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Some folks are fine with a T4 supp and lots of extra selenium so that the T4 converts to T3. Either a supp or brazil nuts. WuWei would say don't supp over 200mcg of selenium per day (2 brazil nuts), I'd point out you're deficient and can likely go higher. But that's sorta typical for who we are.

One thing I would say is, if you're taking a zinc supp (are you?) you may want to not do brazil nuts every day--I haven't checked how much copper is in, say, 4 nuts, but the copper will get in the way of the zinc a bit. I've instituted brazil-nut-snack day with the kids once a week.
I'm not taking a zinc supplement (yet) but probably should. What I was reading last night pointed to a conversion problem so that's why I'm wondering if the T4 supp didn't work on me. I thought the brazil nuts were high in copper and that's why I didn't want to do them... is there just a selenium supp?
post #169 of 240
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I'm not taking a zinc supplement (yet) but probably should. What I was reading last night pointed to a conversion problem so that's why I'm wondering if the T4 supp didn't work on me. I thought the brazil nuts were high in copper and that's why I didn't want to do them... is there just a selenium supp?
There are plenty of selenium-only supps, lots of brands. I just wanted to give the brazil nut option as well, it's one of the few nutrients that we can get lots and lots and lots of by eating something that's fairly normal in fairly normal amounts. But the copper is an issue.

Your copper was high but not crazy-high like chlobo's, yes? You were thinking it was more to do with liver/gallbladder/bile, right? And not enough bile to excrete the copper?
post #170 of 240
okay, the brazilnuts are high in copper, but not crazy high like they are in selenium. Looking it up, they have about a 1:1 ratio of Se:Cu, but when you look at what that translates to in the RDA, it's like 3500% vs 200%.

When I OD'd on brazilnuts, I ate a TON all at once, cause it was the day I was breaking my TED and there wasn't much else in the house. As in, I ate a ton and they started making me sick, but I kept eating a bunch of them.

I doubt a normal person eating normal amounts would need to be all that concerned about the copper, unless they were trying to avoid ALL copper sources.
post #171 of 240
Yeah, but until Kathy gets her excretion working better, it could be an issue for her. That's sorta why I was asking. She's borderline, and could probably (maybe? really guessing here, tbh) get that to a reasonable good point with maybe a little zinc and definitely better excretion on the whole bile/liver function side (not sure exactly how it would work without a gallbladder). Vs chlobo who's sorta poisoned by the copper and really needs to avoid for quite a while til she gets her numbers down.

It has equal amounts of selenium and copper? Huh. nutritiondata.com just failed me, they don't list brazil nuts. How wrong is that?!?

eta: I forgot about your OD. Was that due to the selenium or the copper (or something else)?
post #172 of 240
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eta: I forgot about your OD. Was that due to the selenium or the copper (or something else)?
What's OD?

My copper was 99th percentile on the Toxic Elements Hair Test. Ref. range said <70. And mine was 97. I was 99th percentile for Uranium too.... I try to avoid uranium though.
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Was the OD question aimed at whoMe?
post #175 of 240
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Was the OD question aimed at whoMe?
I'm going to assume so. I ate a TON of brazil nuts after my failed TED and the next day was SO brainfogged and non-functional. I also had a couple of white spots appear on (different) nails, at about the same spot, growth-wise (as in, equal-distant from the base of the nail bed). I decided later that it must have been the huge amount of copper, creating a temporary zinc deficiency.

I got my numbers from my site which uses the same (though older) data as nutritiondata.com. Odd that they don't have them.

And my point about the amount of copper is that it's not really all that much, when you compare to other foods. Per 100g, cocoa powder has twice as much, for example. (I really need to fix the numbers at cookscreen. They're impossible to make sense of right now )
post #176 of 240
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Updates (some is duplicate of chat, but I want it all in one place):

I notice (and can't remember if I noticed it before and going over the same ground) but on the Vitamin D test, it says D2 is an indicator of exogenous sources such as diet or supplementation. And it says <4. So does that really mean that the supplementation isn't working and that somehow I've just gotten my endogenous production going somehow?

Also, another UTI on 5/16 with actual burning while peeing (man does that hurt). Two different bacteria; neither sensitive to the same abx. So I get to be on 2 this time. Double whammy.
post #177 of 240
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Updates (some is duplicate of chat, but I want it all in one place):

I notice (and can't remember if I noticed it before and going over the same ground) but on the Vitamin D test, it says D2 is an indicator of exogenous sources such as diet or supplementation. And it says <4. So does that really mean that the supplementation isn't working and that somehow I've just gotten my endogenous production going somehow?

Also, another UTI on 5/16 with actual burning while peeing (man does that hurt). Two different bacteria; neither sensitive to the same abx. So I get to be on 2 this time. Double whammy.
What form of vitamin D are you supping with? Chances are the test assumes that you are supping with D2 (ergocalciferol which is the form umost people use) but if you're supping with D3 (cholecalciferol), it would be a moot point, right?
post #178 of 240
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What form of vitamin D are you supping with? Chances are the test assumes that you are supping with D2 (ergocalciferol which is the form umost people use) but if you're supping with D3 (cholecalciferol), it would be a moot point, right?
The Vitamin D I'm taking is D3 BUT it says that D3 indicates endogenous production and supplementation (35) and D2 is an indicator of exogenous sources such as diet or supplementation. It doesn't say they're looking at supplementation of D2 vs. D3. Do you know what I mean? One is my production + supps (35) and one is diet + supps (<4). I'm just wondering if the supps are actually helping or if maybe my body is just doing better. Am I just not reading the test right?

Never mind. I just looked up the difference. I guess the prescription forms of Vitamin D are usually D2, which can be toxic at high levels and they're finding aren't really useful at all. So the blood test is actually showing my D3 supplementation, which is fine.
post #179 of 240
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Just had my physical. They had the bloodwork and EVERYTHING they tested was normal. My cholesterol was 175 with good high and low bad (and I haven't taken my fish oil in about a month). My alkaline phosphatase was normal for the first time in two years. He asked about water retention and I mentioned that no matter how loose my socks are (I wear DH's), I still get the lines from the elastic, and he looked and said that I was retaining some but did I eat a lot of salt.... well, I don't have any processed foods but I do add sea salt to things (and actually DH always says I don't use enough salt). I do like Utz potato chips though! And I thought the salt was good for the adrenal fatigue. So now I'm wondering if I should limit my salt intake or not to bother (my bp was 90/70).

I read "Good Food, Bad Food" can't remember who it was by, but then I traded it on paperbackswap.com. Now I wish I had it. I swear there was something on there about cholesterol being about inflammation. And I'm wondering if by removing the bad foods and taking the magnesium and the turmeric and the ginger, if my inflammation is now down, and that's why my cholesterol is down, when it's been elevated (220, with high bad and low good) since I was 20 years old.

Is the 4000iu of Vitamin D what is helping my alkaline phosphatase be normal? Because it was still low even when I was on 2000iu/day. Even though the doctors said that was fine to be low.

And I just ate a huge handful of chocolate chips because... they were there. Go ahead. Slap my wrist.

I was reading about capsaicin in a book the other day and how it's a pain reliever. But it's also a nightshade which should be considered an anti-inflammatory. How can it be both and does the good outweigh the bad or vice versa?

Just updating this so it's all in one place.
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Just had my physical. They had the bloodwork and EVERYTHING they tested was normal. My cholesterol was 175 with good high and low bad (and I haven't taken my fish oil in about a month). My alkaline phosphatase was normal for the first time in two years. He asked about water retention and I mentioned that no matter how loose my socks are (I wear DH's), I still get the lines from the elastic, and he looked and said that I was retaining some but did I eat a lot of salt.... well, I don't have any processed foods but I do add sea salt to things (and actually DH always says I don't use enough salt). I do like Utz potato chips though! And I thought the salt was good for the adrenal fatigue. So now I'm wondering if I should limit my salt intake or not to bother (my bp was 90/70).

I read "Good Food, Bad Food" can't remember who it was by, but then I traded it on paperbackswap.com. Now I wish I had it. I swear there was something on there about cholesterol being about inflammation. And I'm wondering if by removing the bad foods and taking the magnesium and the turmeric and the ginger, if my inflammation is now down, and that's why my cholesterol is down, when it's been elevated (220, with high bad and low good) since I was 20 years old.

Is the 4000iu of Vitamin D what is helping my alkaline phosphatase be normal? Because it was still low even when I was on 2000iu/day. Even though the doctors said that was fine to be low.

And I just ate a huge handful of chocolate chips because... they were there. Go ahead. Slap my wrist.

I was reading about capsaicin in a book the other day and how it's a pain reliever. But it's also a nightshade which should be considered an anti-inflammatory. How can it be both and does the good outweigh the bad or vice versa?

Just updating this so it's all in one place.
I thought there was something about cholesterol being a response to inflammation, so that's cool that it's at a pretty good level without the fish oil. I wouldn't be surprised if cutting out the other problematic foods was a big part of that. Yay!

With BP of 90/60, I'd keep up with the salt and think of a different reason for your water retention. Or, well, that's a kidney function, right? And yours are somewhat off, so I'd see it as a symptom rather than a problem.

Have you ever looked into TCM? I bet it would have a lot to say about strengthening kidney/adrenals--they're considered functionally together, IIRC, in TCM. Probably nasty-tasting herbs and maybe some odd vegetables. That doesn't make it sound good, but I like TCM.

Bad on the chocolate chips! You want to keep doing so good, it sounds like you've done a lot of good things.

I don't know anything about alkaline phosphatase or what, exactly, regulates it. And I think the capsaicin needs to be weighed individually. I think some folks aren't bothered by nightshades, but clearly some do find them inflammatory, so I'm guessing it's sorta individual. ... Wait, did you mean to write that it's inflammatory or anti-inflammatory above? Because I'd think the pain reliever would be anti-inflammatory, but some people find nightshades inflammatory, I'm guessing it wouldn't be good for them.

But overall, this sounds good, right? It sounds like you're doing a good combo of things to support your body? Cause that's the impression I got.
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