All About Me this time - Page 5

[tanyalynn]

That's funny because that hits just about every detox nutrient we've discussed. Seriously. Once we all sort this stuff out for our families, our kids are going to be super-kids, growing up to take over the world!

[lil_miss_understood]

Yeah, I forgot to bold the folic acid deficiency bit, huh? I'm betting it should say folate deficiency.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Why the HELL would you think that? Based on my health history, I have a slice of information that a few people are finding of interest (and it took the world-wide-web to find a few people who are interested), but my learning has been very Tanya-centric, focused on getting me better. Cause I hit the desperate point.

But you are VERY smart. I think we all have our little niches on here and we're all working through it all together. One person knows more about detox, one more about deficiences, one about homeopathy, one about healing through food, etc. And we all complement each other very nicely. Not sure what my niche is besides the fact that I'm always asking questions. I need a better niche.

I swear, we have so many real lab results for you, and so many things we've figured out, symptomatically, that the answer is here. It really is.

I think that's why I keep scouring them.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Yeah, I forgot to bold the folic acid deficiency bit, huh? I'm betting it should say folate deficiency.

I need to find out about the Zinc. I'm getting lots of folate now in my Adrenal supps. I need magnesium too (a better source, since I didn't get a good kind).

[tanyalynn]

If you could type out everything you're supping, with the stuff like the zinc hiding in it (my adrenal stuff is just glandulars, everyone else's has stuff too!) then maybe we'll see some holes, or interesting high points (in your spare time...)

[kjbrown92]

Right now, this is what I'm taking:
Pure Encapsulations AI (anti-inflammatory) 2 pills, 2x/day (vitamin C as ascorbyl palmitate, quercetin, turmeric, bromelain, ginger)
Vital Nutrients Vitamin D3 2000iu 1x/day
Vital Nutrients Adrenal Support (2 capsules in the morning: whole adrenal bovine, cortex adrenal bovine, eleuthero root, ashwagandha root extract, cordyceps sinensis mycelium extract, pantothenic acid)
NeuroScience AdreCor (2 capsules in the morning: Vitamin C as ascorbic acid, niacinamide, Vitamin B6, Folate, Vitamin B12, Pantothenic Acid, Magnesium, Zinc)
NeuroScience Travacor (2 capsules 1 hr. before bed: Vitamin C as ascorbic acid, Vitamin B6, Folate, Vitamin B12, Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium)
Vital Nutrients Ultra Pure Fish Oil (1 capsule in the morning): 360mg EPA, 240mg DHA
TwinLabs Allergy C Caps (1 capsule in the morning: Vitamin C, Calcium, Magnesium)

Do you want to know how much is in each thing?

These are other things that I have, but I'm not taking at the moment:
Candex
GI Pro Health GIPROx12 (probiotics)
Vital Nutrients B-complex
Enzymatic Therapy Krebs Cycle Chelates
Garden of Life Vitamin Code (Family)

I've got to go roll out DH's English muffins... let me know if you want more info on each one (%DV or mg).

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Do you want to know how much is in each thing?

Yes.

But since I don't know enough about herbs to help, you can skip that stuff and just do the vitamins and minerals unless someone else knows herbs better than me (hard not to).

[kjbrown92]

AdreCor
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 600mg (1000%DV)
Niacin (as niacinamide) 6mg (30%DV)
Vitamin B6 12mg (600%DV)
Folate (as folacin) 120ug (30%DV)
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 60ug (1000%DV)
Pantothenic acid 300mg (3000%DV)
Magnesium 14mg (3%DV)
Zinc (from zinc gluconate) 3mg (20%DV)

VN Adrenal Support
Adrenal (whole) bovine 300mg
Adrenal (cortex) bovine 150mg
Eleuthero root extract 28:1 200mg
Ashwagandha root extract 5:1 200mg
Cordyceps sinensis mycelium 4:1 100mg
Pantothenic acid 100mg (1000%DV)

Travacor (it says for 3 capsules, I'm only taking 2, but too lazy to calculate)
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 40mg (67%DV)
Vitamin B6 9mg (450%DV)
Folate (as folacin) 200ug (50%DV)
Vitamin B12 (as methylcobalamin) 30ug (500%DV)
Magnesium 200mg (50%DV)
Zinc (from zinc picolinate) 10mg (66%DV
Selenium (from selenomethionine) 70ug (100%DV)

Twin Labs Allergy C Caps
Vitamin C 750mg (1250%DV)
Calcium (as calcium carbonate) 50mg (5%DV)
Magnesium (as magnesium carbonate) 25mg (6%DV)

[tanyalynn]

quick question, is the travacor only vit/min stuff or is it also other chemicals? for some reason i was thinking it was 5-htp

[tanyalynn]

2nd quick question....

things that made a noticeable impact when you started...
AdreCor
Travacor


things that didn't really make an impact...
VN adrenal support
Twin Labs aller-c

any multivitamin at all?

Astromom says she called or emailed Perque, it's really corn-free. I need to link her comment up into the discussion thread. She says their products (in general, not just the adult multi) really are corn-free. Not cheap (though most people only need 2 multi/day not 6/day like some of us) so not horribly expensive either.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

quick question, is the travacor only vit/min stuff or is it also other chemicals? for some reason i was thinking it was 5-htp

I'm a ninny.
There's that bold line and I blocked everything under it (which was the important stuff - duh).
Travacor
Amino Select 3: TAURINE, 5HTP (from Griffonia simplicifolia seed extract), and Suntheanine (L-theanine) 900mg
AdreCor
Amino Select 14: L-methionine, L-histidine, N-acetyltyrosine, Rhodiola rosea root extract (standardized to 3% rosavins), Green Tea Leef extract (70% epigallocatechin gallate) 1326mg

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

2nd quick question....

things that made a noticeable impact when you started...
AdreCor
Travacor

Yes. Travacor made the most difference, I think because it enabled me to sleep, which is so important for everything else.

things that didn't really make an impact...
VN adrenal support
Twin Labs aller-c

The VN adrenal support wasn't doing much on its own, but since it's actually got the bovine adrenals in it, I thought I'd better take it with the AdreCor. The C doesn't do much for me but maybe it's because I can't take much without stomach upset.

any multivitamin at all?

For a while I was alternating the Krebs Cycle Chelates and the Garden of Life multi. I could go back to that. Want me to tell you what's in them and we'll see which is better?

Astromom says she called or emailed Perque, it's really corn-free. I need to link her comment up into the discussion thread. She says their products (in general, not just the adult multi) really are corn-free. Not cheap (though most people only need 2 multi/day not 6/day like some of us) so not horribly expensive either.

The VN stuff isn't cheap either. Neither is the Pure Encapsulations and I'm almost out of the AI. I basically subbed the AI for all the ibuprofin I was taking and it seems to be about the same as a pain reliever. Much more expensive and probably not hurting my stomach as much.

[Theloose]

from the chat thread:

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Alcohol use is one way for pyrolurics to shut off their anxiety, feel more sociable, de-stress, and experience a short time when they feel more normal. Without a knowledge of this chemical imbalance, those who try to quit alcohol use must face coexisting with their symptoms. If additional antianxiety support is needed, GABA, tryptophan, chromium and inositol should be considered."

Alcohol makes you convert glutamate into GABA. Do you think alcohol might have affected your GABA test? Maybe that's part of why it's so high?

[chlobo]

I'm taking that same Vital Nutrient Adrenal Supp and I don't think its doing anything either.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by whoMe

from the chat thread:
Alcohol makes you convert glutamate into GABA. Do you think alcohol might have affected your GABA test? Maybe that's part of why it's so high?

At the time of that test, I was on Lyrica and anti-depressants and ibuprofin so I don't think I was having alcohol then. I'm not big on mixing drugs and alcohol.

Originally Posted by chlobo

I'm taking that same Vital Nutrient Adrenal Supp and I don't think its doing anything either.

I think the AdreCor is much better for me but everything seems to say that you should be having something with the actual adrenal stuff in it, which is why I'm taking the VN one too (and also to use it up so I don't feel like I'm wasting money; I probably won't get more when it runs out, but I'll get more AdreCor).

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

At the time of that test, I was on Lyrica and anti-depressants and ibuprofin so I don't think I was having alcohol then. I'm not big on mixing drugs and alcohol.

I think the AdreCor is much better for me but everything seems to say that you should be having something with the actual adrenal stuff in it, which is why I'm taking the VN one too (and also to use it up so I don't feel like I'm wasting money; I probably won't get more when it runs out, but I'll get more AdreCor).

Darn. I wonder if any of the drugs can mess with GABA?

I've been doing really well with just adrenal nutrients, no extracts or glandulars or whatever. That's what my clinic gave me, and I didn't do any reading on the other stuff cause it just worked for me.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Darn. I wonder if any of the drugs can mess with GABA?

Lyrica is an anti-convulsant. (Read: it can probably be used in bipolar disorder as a mood stabilizer to effect GABA levels.) It blocks high voltage calcium ion channels in the brain and decreases the release of glutamate and noradrenaline.
Valproic acid, as a comparison, blocks low voltage calcium ion channels.
Depending on the anti-depressant, it may effect GABA levels as well.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Lyrica is an anti-convulsant. (Read: it can probably be used in bipolar disorder as a mood stabilizer to effect GABA levels.) It blocks high voltage calcium ion channels in the brain and decreases the release of glutamate and noradrenaline.
Valproic acid, as a comparison, blocks low voltage calcium ion channels.
Depending on the anti-depressant, it may effect GABA levels as well.

I was on 200mg Lyrica a day, and 25mg Amitriptyline HCL at the time of the test.

[kjbrown92]

Lyrica: "The drug is a structural derivative of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA, though it does not bind directly to GABAa, GABAb, or benzodiazepine receptors, does not augment GABAa responses in cultured neurons, does not alter rat brain GABA concentration or have acute effects on GABA uptake or degradation. In cultured neurons prolonged application of pregabalin increased the density of GABA transporter protein and increased the rate of functional GABA transport."

Amitriptyline HCL: "The results indicate that partial sciatic nerve ligation decreases thermal and mechanical pain withdrawal latencies, and increases baclofen-stimulated [35S]GTPγS binding and GABAB receptor subunit gene expression in the rat lumbar spinal cord, suggesting that neuropathic pain may be due, in part, to a deficiency in GABAergic transmission. The experiments also demonstrate that daily administration (10 mg/kg, i.p.) of amitriptyline, a tricyclic antidepressant used for the treatment of neuropathic pain, for 1 week after surgery prevents the decline in thermal pain threshold, the increase in GABAB(2) gene expression, and development of increased GABAB receptor function in spinal cord resulting from nerve damage. These findings indicate that the efficacy of amitriptyline as a treatment for neuropathic pain may be related to an ability to maintain spinal cord GABAB receptor activity."

Of course I don't speak scient-ese, so I don't understand much except that it seems like those might have effected the GABA results on my test. So how do I know if any of that saliva/urine test was accurate? I'm not seeing that ND anymore. I'll have to ask the osteopath next week and see what he says about it all since I seem to have been going on false assumptions....

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Of course I don't speak scient-ese, so I don't understand much except that it seems like those might have effected the GABA results on my test. So how do I know if any of that saliva/urine test was accurate? I'm not seeing that ND anymore. I'll have to ask the osteopath next week and see what he says about it all since I seem to have been going on false assumptions....

Sounds like a good plan. It definitely soulds like something could be going on there.

[kjbrown92]

Any chance the Adrenal Fatigue stuff was off too because of the meds? I don't really want AF. Can you tell? But I know that Jacqueline will tell me that I really have it, so I should probably quit my bellyachin'.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Any chance the Adrenal Fatigue stuff was off too because of the meds? I don't really want AF. Can you tell? But I know that Jacqueline will tell me that I really have it, so I should probably quit my bellyachin'.

I love my adrenal fatigue. It explains my whole life and is erased by the right combo of vitamins. It switches off the stressed out me who picks fights with dh and turns me into nice wife with energy to do stuff around the house and play with dd