Vaccine success story?

[WhiteHorse]

Since vaccines have ~nearly~ wiped out certain diseases, and since we as a population are no longer continually exposed to these germs, doesn't it seem that the vaccine itself loses it's effectiveness in the absence of the germs? This article posted here a few days ago got me thinking about this. http://www.ajc.com/health/content/me...h_vaccine.html

Does our immune system need the germs floating around amongst us to make either vaccines or natural immunity work correctly? Are there articles that talk about this specifically? Are there studies out there that involve this question?

This article also got me thinking about this too. http://www.vaccinationnews.com/rally/Meas100%25Vax.htm
The students in the outbreak were all vaccinated (I think, the article was not entirely clear) and the implication is that the vaccine "wears off" after 10 years. But weren't there preschool kids also affected? Perhaps it is not the vaccine that is wearing off, but rather as measles becomes more rare, the vaccine fails in more people or really does not work at all (gasp!) The way this article presented all the facts made it almost seem like the outbreak was a planned experiment. But regardless, I find this quite interesting.

[carriebft]

The first dose of measles vaccine causes a immune response in 90s% wise-- so 9 out of 10 people (or a fraction more depending on the source you look at) get immunity from vax 1. The added another dose in 1991- moved it early in 1994. That second dose brings immunity numbers up to 95-99%, again depending on the source.

So it's not an issue of the immunity waning for measles but, rather, that before the second dose, many were left unprotected even with one dose. And now, you still have that very small percentage of people who never develop immunity after the 2 doses. This is why typically today you get large numbers of un and undervaccinated getting measles in outbreak areas but also a very small number of total vaccinated (so of the 150 or so measles cases in USA last year, 2 were fully vaccinated)

[Gitti]

Here is an aritcle you may be interested in -

Who is looking after our kids?

And here is another -

The Case Against Vaccines

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by WhiteHorse

Since vaccines have ~nearly~ wiped out certain diseases, and since we as a population are no longer continually exposed to these germs, doesn't it seem that the vaccine itself loses it's effectiveness in the absence of the germs?

Well to be honest vaccines have not done any such thing.

Look at these charts - (click on each to enlarge)

http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs...rint_list_item

And the fact is we are still continuously exposed to these germs. But since we have plenty of food, fresh, clean water, a dry bed (instead of straw with lots of critters in it), indoor plumbing and a sewer system in our city, we can deal with the bacteria that have always been with us and will always be with us.

Does our immune system need the germs floating around amongst us to make either vaccines or natural immunity work correctly? Are there articles that talk about this specifically? Are there studies out there that involve this question?

Not only the immune system need bacteria and micro-bacteria, but we as humans could not survive without them. They are not our enemies. They live in us and on us and with us. We need them maybe more than they need us. Without them we could not digest our food, we could not even live nor die. We have a symbiotic relationship with them.

Each human body is and individual ecosystem. Anything we do to change that is major interference and we do not know the consequences. Vaccines are nothing more than a major human experiment. Immunology itself is a research field and no immunologist can tell you what actually happens to you one the vaccine is injected. It is not normal or natural, that's for sure.

Perhaps it is not the vaccine that is wearing off, but rather as measles becomes more rare, the vaccine fails in more people or really does not work at all (gasp!) The way this article presented all the facts made it almost seem like the outbreak was a planned experiment.

The vaccine does wear off, no doubt about it. Only natural infection can cause core immunity that last a life time. All vaccines wear off, that's why 'herd immunity' is such nonsense and can never be realized.

An outbreak is planned. That is the way to sell more vaccines. And what is an 'outbreak'? A community with a hundred measles or a with three? They call the shots (pun intended).