Simplify the steps of vaccine research for me

[emma1325]

I work with an group which advocates for informed consent in vaccination care. I get a lot of parents asking me how to start out researching vaccines, and how to go about it in general.

So what are your personal tips on vaccine research? How to start, where to look, which sources to trust, etc.


Thanks!

[gbailey]

I found these books to be a great source of information- Dr. Sear's vaccine book and What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccines by Stephanie Cave. I also suggest Dr. Donald Miller's website which is donaldmiller.com. I find his info to be very informative.

[Marnica]

Here is a hodgepodge of helpful websites and journal articles. Sorry it is not better organized!


http://www.sparks-of-light.org/polio-research-docs.html
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinio...cine/Published
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://www.who.int/vaccines/globalsu...cfm?C='DOM'
http://ecoworld.com/features/2008/04...-the-watchers/
http://www.unhinderedliving.com/germtheory.html
http://www.ars.usda.gov/Services/docs.htm?docid=8964
http://www.*********/a/bystrianyk3.html
http://www.evidenceofharm.com
http://www.philipincao.com/
http://909shot.com/History/Newsletters/spsmallpox.htm
http://www.russellblaylockmd.com
http://www.fda.gov/cder/fdama/mercury300.htm
http://www.cogforlife.org/fetalvaccines.htm
http://www.healthmyths.net/
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/pr...5/icsc0538.htm
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/pr...2/icsc0270.htm
http://www.home-remedies.info/home-r...ping-cough.htm
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/HPV_Vaccine_Controversy.php
http://www.jacionline.org/article/S0...379-2/abstract
http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/AL%20-%202.pdf
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccines.htm
http://www.*********/vaccines/n.html
http://thinktwice.com/Dutch.pdf
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/
http://poisonevercure.150m.com/aluminum_hydroxide.htm
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20050717.htm
http://www.novaccine.com
http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com
http://www.vaclib.org/indexdoc.htm#legal
http://www.nvic.org
http://www.nmaseminars.com/AboutDrT.html
http://thinktwice.com/
http://www.chetday.com/vaccinationmyths.htm
http://insidevaccines.com/
http://www.vaccinenation.net/
http://www.knowvaccines.com/
http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/flu.html
http://vaccinationnews.com/
http://www.vaccinerights.com/
http://www.vierascheibner.com/
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/..._pink_full.htm
http://clinicaltrials.gov/
http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/
http://idontvaccinate.com/
http://vacinfo.org/Buttram.pdf
http://tomlevymd.com/health_ebytes/issue_9.html
http://cdr0302.googlepages.com/callingtheshots
http://cdr0302.googlepages.com/alumi...elsinpediatric
http://www.naturalnews.com/024291.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...4&blobtype=pdf
http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/188/13/4996
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/6/716
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/
http://www.provita.sk/bf+meningitis-sepsis.htm
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re...urcetype=HWCIT
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re...urcetype=HWCIT
http://www.thenhf.com/overview_Vacci...den_Facts.html
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol5no3/lipsitch.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17516405
http://www.*********/vaccines/incao2.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1116914
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=344485
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...indexed=google
http://www.journals.mui.ac.ir/index....iewArticle/903



Finally, read this study http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...int/121/2/e208 . It shows that the children have over one nanogram of mercury per milliliter of blood for up to 5 days after receiving vaccines with Thimerosal. A simple Avagadro"s number calculation (using a conversion factor of 20 drops per milliliter) shows that just one nanogram gives 150 billion atoms of mercury per drop of blood circulating though the brain of a child.

http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/Simp...%20%20Rico.htm
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021...8m?cookieSet=1
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/...ap5921310.html
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22237
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322
http://www.hpakids.org/RadioShow.htm
http://www.who.int/vaccines/globalsu...cidencemea.htm
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/consent.txt
http://www.expert-reviews.com/doi/pd...4760584.3.1.89
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=1815
http://vaers.hhs.gov/
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/
http://www.nvic.org/Downloads/Jeffer...l-BMJ2009.aspx
http://www.vaccines.net/DMSdraft.pdf
http://www.vaccines.net/9TOEJ.pdf
http://www.vaccines.net/1TOPEDJ.pdf
http://www.vaccines.net/newpage11.htm
http://health.msn.com/medications/ar...ntid=100233215
http://www.blinkx.com/video/the-brad...XO3MhdzsNbPFqQ
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_169673.html

[taterbug1999]

Anything they can read or watch by Sheri Tenpenny. She is brilliant, well researched, an actual doctor, and has testified to the CDC many times. She, IMHO, is a hard one to brush off.

[gbailey]

Here is a link to Sheryl Tenpenny's vaccine video. It's excellent. I did a google search and I am watching it now
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...35240451107552
I'm not even half way done and if we have another baby, I don't think I'll vaccinate. Her info is powerful and easy to understand.

[mamakay]

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...here-to-start/

[emma1325]

Ok, let me better specify my request here. If I were *just starting out* and knew practically nothing about vaccines, which steps would you tell me to take in order to start my research?

Marnica, that was a very impressive list of links, but it's an example, I think, of how many people get overwhelmed and quit.

Where to start in that list? Which aspects of the vaccine issue are most important to figure out first?

KWIM?

Thanks in advance...just looking to figure out how you all would advise someone on this.

[gbailey]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Ok, let me better specify my request here. If I were *just starting out* and knew practically nothing about vaccines, which steps would you tell me to take in order to start my research?

Marnica, that was a very impressive list of links, but it's an example, I think, of how many people get overwhelmed and quit.

Where to start in that list? Which aspects of the vaccine issue are most important to figure out first?
KWIM?

Thanks in advance...just looking to figure out how you all would advise someone on this.

I would still recommend the Dr. Sears book. It's very informative and at the end of each chapter (which is specific to the vaccine he's talking about) he talks about why some parents get it and some don't.

[Jadzia]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Ok, let me better specify my request here. If I were *just starting out* and knew practically nothing about vaccines, which steps would you tell me to take in order to start my research?

Marnica, that was a very impressive list of links, but it's an example, I think, of how many people get overwhelmed and quit.

Where to start in that list? Which aspects of the vaccine issue are most important to figure out first?

KWIM?

Thanks in advance...just looking to figure out how you all would advise someone on this.

I think it is best to start by researching the diseases. Make a list of all the diseases that have vaccines on the schedule. What are the symptoms, the rate of incidence, the risk factors, the treatment of each disease? Only then, can you figure out which vaccines, if any, you might actually see a need for.

After you learn about the diseases, then learn about each vaccine. How effective is the vaccine? What are the side effects? Read VAERS reports. Evaluate your risk of the disease against the risk of the vaccine.

[emma1325]

Thanks guys. I'm really not trying to be difficult, lol.

So how do you recommend someone organizing their research? Do you have your own research handy in some way, for example, in a binder...or is it all online? How is it organized exactly...are all of the diseases listed, then vaccines, etc.

I'm just trying to get a feel for different ways to approach the entire issue of vaccine research.

[gbailey]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Thanks guys. I'm really not trying to be difficult, lol.

So how do you recommend someone organizing their research? Do you have your own research handy in some way, for example, in a binder...or is it all online? How is it organized exactly...are all of the diseases listed, then vaccines, etc.

I'm just trying to get a feel for different ways to approach the entire issue of vaccine research.

I can tell you how I organized my research. First, I started off by printing out the CDC's schedule for vaccines then I printed out the number of vaccines DH and I got when we were kids. generationrecue.org has a great comparison chart. Then I researched each disease and printed out the information from the CDC. Since they are obviously pro vaccine I needed to find other sources in order to make an informed decision. That's when I purchased the Dr. Sears book and the Stephanie Cave book. I put everything in one folder organized by disease. I hope that helps.

[carriebft]

recently I have taken to boiling it down like this when someone asks me where to start:

1) Make a list of the childhood vaccines
Useful resources for this step: Your country's recommended vaccine schedule (perhaps glance at other countries as well, get an idea of what is out there)

2) learn about the disease that these vaccines are meant to protect against
Useful resources for this step: CDC Pink Book, threads at mothering.com (for example, the archives on DTaP has a lot of good info on pertussis)

3) Decide which, if any, you find you want to learn more about the vaccine for (if, say, you don't think chicken pox is an issue, then you can probably skip the other steps)

4) Educate yourself on that specific vaccine:
-is it successful?
-does it prevent transmission?
-does it have any worrisome ingredients? do ingredients differ with brand?
-what are the side effects?
Useful resources for this step: Dr Sears Vaccine Book (or other works talked about here a lot), Insidevaccines.com, 909shot, immunize.org, VAERS database, the package inserts for the vaccines, the clinical trials of the vaccines: http://www.clinicalstudyresults.org/ , http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/

5) Do your own risk benefit analysis- weigh the pros and cons of getting the vaccine and not getting the vaccine-- or however you see the question to be. You can even write it out on a sheet of paper in a few columns.

[carriebft]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Thanks guys. I'm really not trying to be difficult, lol.

So how do you recommend someone organizing their research? Do you have your own research handy in some way, for example, in a binder...or is it all online? How is it organized exactly...are all of the diseases listed, then vaccines, etc.

I'm just trying to get a feel for different ways to approach the entire issue of vaccine research.

Mostly it's in a folder on the computer. I have some books and things here and some things written out but most online.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Ok, let me better specify my request here. If I were *just starting out* and knew practically nothing about vaccines, which steps would you tell me to take in order to start my research?

Marnica, that was a very impressive list of links, but it's an example, I think, of how many people get overwhelmed and quit.

Where to start in that list? Which aspects of the vaccine issue are most important to figure out first?

KWIM?

Thanks in advance...just looking to figure out how you all would advise someone on this.

Yes I suppose that list would be overwhelming. I agree with above posters about researching the diseases themselves. Use the CDCpinkbook. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/default.htm

As for starting out I would recomend Dr. Tenpenny's website/books/cd's info
http://www.sayingnotovaccines.com/

Check out the sticky for book reccomendations as well. I like
Vaccinations: A thoughful parents guide By aviva jill romm (a good beginners book)
as well as Dr. Stepahnie Cave's book too (also a good beginner book)

To look at ingredients and info about the vaccines themselves I like the following websites:

http://www.novaccine.com
http://www.insidevaccines.com
http://www.nvic.org
http://www.vaclib.org
http://www.vaccinetruth.org


For current events about vaccines and the industry nothing beats
http://www.vaccinationnews.com

Also check out threads on here!

Start there and see where that goes. Reading scientific journal articles should be done after one has a better foundation of knowledge.

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I work with an group which advocates for informed consent in vaccination care. I get a lot of parents asking me how to start out researching vaccines, and how to go about it in general.

So what are your personal tips on vaccine research? How to start, where to look, which sources to trust, etc.


Thanks!

I think a really important thing to identify is where the research is coming from (true with research on any topic). Identifying a potential bais is hugely important with knowing which sources to trust.

For example: If the parents want to read Dr. Sears, great, but they should know that a) he is pro-vaccine b) he makes a ton of money administering his vaccine schedule c) he makes a ton of money on his books.

Also look for inconsistencies in the statements:

For example: Dr. Sears has says newborns aren't at risk for hep b, so they don't need the vaccine. But he recommends it for 2 month old babies, along with tetanus. Ummmm... they weren't at risk at birth, but suddenly at 2 months old his patients are having wild unprotected sex? Without being too pessimistic, it sounds more like he just wants the vaccines going through his office and making more money.

Sorry about picking on Sears... I don't have time to look up more on everything and I am just illustrating the concept of really researching where bias can be found in any source that is looked into.

For us, I found sources the most trustworthy (although not the only things I relied on) that weren't making a ton of money based on their statements and had a high degree of knowledge on the subject. Dr. Tenpenny, videos like Vaccine Nation and Vaccination- The Hidden Truth were good starting spots for me.

I also liked "How to Raise a Healthy Child... in Spite of Your Doctor". I realize the author is making money from book sales, but really, his book is cheap and he isn't benefiting financially from vaccines. He also explains why you don't need to see doctors for everything in a non-scary and makes sense sort of way.

[Mom2Mason]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I work with an group which advocates for informed consent in vaccination care. I get a lot of parents asking me how to start out researching vaccines, and how to go about it in general.

So what are your personal tips on vaccine research? How to start, where to look, which sources to trust, etc.


Thanks!

Dr. Sears' book just barely skims the surface, but I found it to be an excellent jumping-off point. It breaks down each vaccine, the disease(s) it is supposed to prevent, the ingredients, possible side effects, etc. I think in a very linear, outline-type fashion, so this gave me a clear outline in my head of the diseases and the vaccines, that I was able to move forward with for my other research. So, for someone getting started, I would definitely tell them to start there, but keep in mind that it *is* biased and they would probably want to move on to a site like Insidevaccines.com. I've learned a great deal from this board, too.

[TanyaS]

The research can take quite a while. Parents should start in the order they are given and spread out the research. For example, you have at least a year to research MMR, Hep A, Men C, etc. But Hep B is routinely given at birth, followed by DTaP, Polio, Rotavirus, HiB at two months. I second the recommendation to look at each disease and vaccine individually. Trying to make a decision based on all vaccines overall is overwhelming. It's much easier to go slowly and take them one at a time. Many can be ruled out early on based on your child's risk factor for the particular disease.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by ammiga

I also liked "How to Raise a Healthy Child... in Spite of Your Doctor". I realize the author is making money from book sales, but really, his book is cheap and he isn't benefiting financially from vaccines. He also explains why you don't need to see doctors for everything in a non-scary and makes sense sort of way.

The author isn't actually making money on these books, considering he passed away quite a few years ago.

I really enjoyed Dr. Mendelson's book, despite the fact that it's a little on the old side.

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by emma1325

The author isn't actually making money on these books, considering he passed away quite a few years ago.

I really enjoyed Dr. Mendelson's book, despite the fact that it's a little on the old side.

I probably should have written *was* making money