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What gets me most is when my college-professor friend complains that over a school vacation she and her husband have to figure out how to spend the whole time with their kids not in school or daycare. THey don't know how to spend time with their kids besides a few minutes with a book, or a few hours in front of TV. I'm sure my friend thinks I'm crazy to stay at home and teach my kids myself...

Also nuts -- full-day kindergarten. You know 6-year olds don't have full-day attention spans, so the second half of the day is pure daycare time...
post #22 of 100
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What gets me most is when my college-professor friend complains that over a school vacation she and her husband have to figure out how to spend the whole time with their kids not in school or daycare.
I had to read that sentence twice to make sure I'd read it right. How sad.
Lillian

post #23 of 100
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Mine is the sight of the big banners outside of schools about now that say things like "Kindergarten Registration Open Now!" I don't know what it is, but it just kind of creeps me out. I guess it has to do with the idea of such young children being dropped off at an institution for that much of the time. Lillian
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Also - we saw a big banner outside of several schools recently that said "Open Day for parents". Ugh, in my cynical mind that day it kind of read "lucky day for parents, you get to come and see what your kids do".
It reminded me how much we love the life we lead - how wonderful it is not to miss anything....and how I don´t need anyone´s permission to *see what my ds is up too*.
post #24 of 100
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"Open Day for parents". Ugh, in my cynical mind that day it kind of read "lucky day for parents, you get to come and see what your kids do".
All that made me think about was the bright, shiny, displays they used to put on at the private schools my son went to - where everything was so beautiful and inspiring, with warm and friendly teachers who had so many great things to say about their programs. Lillian

post #25 of 100
Great topic. I've always noticed the messages on the board outside the school. The ones that may say "Welcome Back" in the fall will also say 'report cards home dec 4th' or something, to let parents know info their kids may not tell them, or that they wouldn't know otherwise. Similar to the parent-teacher nights. I don't need anyone to tell me how my child is doing.


Just today we went out to run an impromptu errand, and whoa the traffic jams! We forgot, it was 3:23, school's out.
post #26 of 100
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I don't need anyone to tell me how my child is doing.
Actually, oddly enough, that came in handy for me - it gave me a perspective I wouldn't have had.

My son, when he was in 1st grade, his last year of school, felt that he was an utter failure at math. But the teacher who taught the math class told me he was actually her best math student. She said that he must have come to the conclusion he wasn't good at it because all the other children would rush through their papers just to get through them and get out to recess, whereas he would methodically work his way through to get things right. She was delighted for him when I told her we'd be homeschooling.

And there was the time at a family pot luck toward the end of a fun little summer nature daycamp out on the coast when one of the counselors, who had been quietly standing next to me at the food table, suddenly whirled around and told me with wide eyes that my son was "Incredible!" I had thought of him as the quiet kind of child who sort of blends into the crowd, but she told me he'd been sharing all sorts of "amazing things" on their hikes. To this day, I have no idea what in the world she was referring to - but it was nice to know there was a whole other persona shining through beyond the image I had of a rather shy and retiring child. -Lillian
post #27 of 100

Here in Ontario

What wierds me out is the tremendous push the government is making to educate children younger and younger --- kids aren't succeeding in school so, instead of offering parents a way to stay home with their kids longer and tax breaks to buy books, provincial park passes, and other enriching things, they mandate 'Ontario Learning Centres' with stringent Mom and baby programs to start a child off right ------ somehow by singing songs in a structured circle with 20 other babies they will learn faster and better. Now there's talk about starting school at 3. Yuck! I remember one of the early years programs commenting that 'you know this isn't a coffee klatch for mothers - they're meant to be actively communicating with their babies. Like moms don't do that all the time. Seriously, what moms of babies and tots really need is a place to sit on the couch with a cup of coffee and chat with other parents in the same situation to get some perspective and ideas on how to cope.

oh yeah....and what's with all these preschools that advertise 'academic programs'???????? That gives me the shivers. Mine went to preschool, but it was all about the sand box, toys, and painting whenever they felt like it (god I loved that - unlimited paint and glu without me having to clean it up. My guys would have been out of there if there'd been even a hint of 'academics'.
post #28 of 100
The school buses definitely. I can't imagine putting my young child (especially a 5 y o) on a school bus totally alone, although I know it's a necessity for many people so I try hard to understand that.

I also get a little unnerved when I see the daycare center signs up that say they do before/after school care. I feel for the kids that are already in school all day and have to also go somewhere else before and after school. I've been there/done that with my kids when they had to go to daycare at one time.
post #29 of 100
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Just today we went out to run an impromptu errand, and whoa the traffic jams! We forgot, it was 3:23, school's out.
that happened to me a few weeks back. As I watched all the parents parking on the curbs, in the grass areas and across the street in a church parking lot (all to avoid the cars in the school line) I thought to myself "they do this every single day for 10 months out of the year?" I don't know how people do it. That scenario would get old for me after about two weeks.
post #30 of 100
I am so in love with this thread....:
post #31 of 100
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What wierds me out is the tremendous push the government is making to educate children younger and younger --- kids aren't succeeding in school so, instead of offering parents a way to stay home with their kids longer and tax breaks to buy books, provincial park passes, and other enriching things, they mandate 'Ontario Learning Centres' with stringent Mom and baby programs to start a child off right ------ somehow by singing songs in a structured circle with 20 other babies they will learn faster and better. Now there's talk about starting school at 3. Yuck! I remember one of the early years programs commenting that 'you know this isn't a coffee klatch for mothers - they're meant to be actively communicating with their babies. Like moms don't do that all the time. Seriously, what moms of babies and tots really need is a place to sit on the couch with a cup of coffee and chat with other parents in the same situation to get some perspective and ideas on how to cope.

oh yeah....and what's with all these preschools that advertise 'academic programs'???????? That gives me the shivers. Mine went to preschool, but it was all about the sand box, toys, and painting whenever they felt like it (god I loved that - unlimited paint and glu without me having to clean it up. My guys would have been out of there if there'd been even a hint of 'academics'.
Wasn't kindergarten started to prepare children for grade 1? Then they decided to prepare children for kindergarten so they started Junior Kindergarten.
Now they're thinking about how they should be preparing children for Junior Kindergarten. Oh, that would be preschool. How can children be expected to start preschool if they haven't been in a program to PREPARE them for preschool?? I mean, they would just fail preschool and be doomed forever.

Nuts.

(yes, I am being sarcastic.)
post #32 of 100
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What wierds me out is the tremendous push the government is making to educate children younger and younger --- kids aren't succeeding in school so, instead of offering parents a way to stay home with their kids longer and tax breaks to buy books, provincial park passes, and other enriching things, they mandate 'Ontario Learning Centres' with stringent Mom and baby programs to start a child off right ------ somehow by singing songs in a structured circle with 20 other babies they will learn faster and better. Now there's talk about starting school at 3. .
Did you know kindergarten is going full-time in 2010 (5 days a week, full days)? I'm not an unschooler officially.....yet, but boy is that news pushing me towards it.
post #33 of 100
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that happened to me a few weeks back. As I watched all the parents parking on the curbs, in the grass areas and across the street in a church parking lot (all to avoid the cars in the school line) I thought to myself "they do this every single day for 10 months out of the year?" I don't know how people do it. That scenario would get old for me after about two weeks.
Yes!! I totally agree.

Just the daily routine of up early, school, home, homework, dinner, bed, up school, etc. :

I just couldnt deal with it!!
post #34 of 100
I have noticed life revolving around the school's schedule, especially since my dh is self-employed so we are not even on a set work schedule.

On Monday night we had another self-employed homeschooling family over and they stayed until 9 o'clock. The other mom and I chatted about how it was so fun to be able to stay out as late as you want because the kids can always sleep in.

I have also noticed, now that it is spring time here, that the parks are pretty much empty during the weekdays.

It makes me feel like my dh and I are in on a big happy secret or we are getting away with something.....
post #35 of 100
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And society refers to schools as Alma Mater (nourishing mother).

Gross.
I did not know that was the translation!

I am the nourishing mother to my children!
post #36 of 100
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3) I don't understand why people don't think kids can learn, if their parents are the only ones teaching them. DS1's teachers have almost all commented, at some point, on how good a grounding he had in his basic skills (for kindergarten entry, etc.) or that they can tell how much support his education gets from us at home. When we see school academic rankings, the point is frequently made that wealthier parents are more likely to get their child extra tutouring, and more likely to have time to help with homework, etc. etc. It's an accepted tenet of education that the home support a student receives is a key component in that student's success...and, yet...the idea that a parent can actually teach/guide their own child is completely dismissed. Not logical, imo.



5) More on children's ages. I find it kind of disturbing that so many older kids (preteens/teens) treat small children as if they're aliens. A lifeguard at dd and ds2's swimming lessons commented that a lot of the instructors (mostly late teens/early 20s) are "really great kids, but they don't even know what a 3 year old looks like, yk?". It bothers me that we, as a society, seem to find that...normal...

6) Little things. DS1 had a school nurse come in and teach his class how to wash their hands when he was in about 2nd grade. It always astonishes me that nobody finds it odd to have a complete stranger come into a classroom to teach my child how to do this kind of thing.

I could probably come up with another dozen with a bit of thought...
: I never noticed it when I was little but now I am totally annoyed about how "normal" it is to have age segregation and how teens are completely clueless when it comes to little kids. I dont think its neccassarily natural for older kids to just know all about it but it saddens me that its not a cultural norm for teens to be involved and educated and included with kids and adults of all ages.

I've visited school where they proudly touted that they had special ethics teachers that teach the children ethics and morals on a regular basis. While I think in a good school no subject should be taboo I was totally creeped out about it. It made me feel like I would have to do homework ust to keep up with my kid However I think it depends on where you live. unfortunately there are many many many children who are just plain not taught how to wash their hands or brush their teeth or fold laundry. this is one of those areas where I think its not the school pushing their own agenda but attempting to fill an all to large hole.


I remember last summer looking foward to the start of school so there would be room and less chaos at all those crowded parks.
but I do like summer traffic a whole lot better, no more scedualling my stuff to avoid all those busses!
post #37 of 100
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It makes me feel like my dh and I are in on a big happy secret or we are getting away with something.....
Yep, I often feel like this... isn't it great.
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sigh

LOVE homeschooling........:
post #39 of 100
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What gets me most is when my college-professor friend complains that over a school vacation she and her husband have to figure out how to spend the whole time with their kids not in school or daycare. THey don't know how to spend time with their kids besides a few minutes with a book, or a few hours in front of TV. I'm sure my friend thinks I'm crazy to stay at home and teach my kids myself...

Also nuts -- full-day kindergarten. You know 6-year olds don't have full-day attention spans, so the second half of the day is pure daycare time...
I've heard of people who leave their kids in daycare while they're on vacation - after all, 'we're paying for it, we may as well use it'......and....'oh, but the kids LOVE it sooooo much'.......Hmmmmm.....I bet the kids would LOVE it sooooo much if they got to spend time with their parents.
post #40 of 100
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I have noticed life revolving around the school's schedule, especially since my dh is self-employed so we are not even on a set work schedule.
We're in the same boat, both self-employed. The 9-5 rat race strikes me as such a sad way to live...I feel so very very lucky and yes, like we've discovered this "little secret" that life doesn't have to be the way we are all sold it should be...

And the traffic thing, I got stuck in the most ridiculous jam the other day. Parents were literally blocking the road b/c there was nowhere to park, lineups to get down the street...OMG how do people do this five days a week???
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