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post #1 of 13
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so how do you deal in a GDing way w/ non-compliance...here are some of my examples that have occurred w/ my dd & i...

*she insists on sleeping in the bed w/ ds & i. ds is 16 mos. old. dd is 6.5 yo. she has always slept w/ me but recently she mostly sleeps in her own bed very close by in same room. when she is adamant at bedtime (we all go at the same time...is just our thing) to sleep in the bed w/ us sometimes it's cool w/ me and sometimes i just want more space and to just 'be'.

i already have a toddler on the boob all night long and sometimes i just need this space. (we have a king sized bed but still it can get hot and crowded now that dd is bigger...)

i have tried explaining to her that i just need some physical space and that i don't feel like being a mama sandwich tonight, etc. she won't go for it. usually i'm so tired and obviously needing my own time despite having my toddler there and my dd is insisting and will not back down from sleeping with us. i get so frustrated.

sometimes i'll agree to have her in there & once she falls asleep i'll later move her to her bed. last night i was not even up for that...i just needed that space emotionally and physically. it was a rough afternoon w/ her behavior... (due to my own reactivity of course...sigh).

finally she did 'comply' but i think i threatened her. i can't remember... mama brain syndrome...

today we napped together for 2 hours w/ brother and it was SO NICE. she rarely naps w/ me...i miss her doing that so that was a treat for us both.

so what do you do when your dc refuses to do what you insist...

another example is...

*my dd insisted on bringing her mattress down the stairs to see how it'd work in our living room as we had talked about having it in there...i had decided not to do that as my mom gets home late...my dd really wants her own room/space but in our small condo it isn't possible anywhere else but in our loft area upstairs where my bed is.

sooo...dd is insistant that she is bringing this mattress down. she winds up screaming high pitched at the top of her lungs like she does when she's p.o.'d w/ me and that she is not getting her way. (she gets her way a LOT...cuz i believe in this...and i think she doesn't see this a lot of the time...) i think she called me a horrible word that unfourtunately she learned from me and also from my ex. i've been very full of anger this past 16 mos. before she even got the mattress down i was flying up the stairs raging at her. 'nough said. my bad...i feel awful.

so HOW do we get them to respect our needs/wishes when NO means NO/absolutely NOT an option. i know...mattress brought downstairs wasn't such the big deal in all reality...she could have even slept last night down here but...i think i was annoyed w/ her nasty response back to me when i said no.

any input and/or advice?

thanks...onto creating a thread about triggers & calming things we can do to not blow up.
post #2 of 13
I tend to see this kind of behavior as a need that isn't being met. The child isn't acting this way to be bad, or to cheese you off, they have a need and it is your job to figure out what it is.

I would have let her sleep in the bed because her insistance shows me that she needs me right now. I don't know why, but she reallys feels like she needs me in bed, so I will do it.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
you are so right on. why i fail to see this sometimes is beyond me...ah, thus reminding me even MORE to be even MORE mindful & in the NOW...ever being sensitive to what my dc's behavior is truly communicating to me. thank you. :

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Originally Posted by fairejour View Post
I tend to see this kind of behavior as a need that isn't being met. The child isn't acting this way to be bad, or to cheese you off, they have a need and it is your job to figure out what it is.

I would have let her sleep in the bed because her insistance shows me that she needs me right now. I don't know why, but she reallys feels like she needs me in bed, so I will do it.
post #4 of 13
What about talking about sleeping together before everyone is tired? My DD1 NEEDS to have some sleep time with me. It's amazing the difference in how resilient she is when we have our scheduled sleep time and when we don't. (There is no way she can make that up.) It reminds me of a battery recharging. We call it treat night. She's known since she was two when treat night is - Wednesday night. We have it every Wed night. If there is a holiday we talk about it before hand and have it on Tues night. Gives her something to look forward too and it allows her to know that I know how important it is to her to have that time together.

Perhaps you could talk to your DD about sleeping together every other night or every third night. That way you both have something to look forward to.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by doublyblessed View Post
you are so right on. why i fail to see this sometimes is beyond me...ah, thus reminding me even MORE to be even MORE mindful & in the NOW...ever being sensitive to what my dc's behavior is truly communicating to me. thank you. :
Thanks for not being offended!
post #6 of 13
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katwoman...i LOVE catwoman. right on...!

that is a fun idea...i find that my dd responds well to that. and if she needs me on a night we hadn't planned, i will honor that too. its just so hard when i'm exhausted or i just want some physical space. i am rarely w/out my children so it grates on me sometimes...i'm slowly incorporating more 'me' time into my life...and emotional release/mood control/creative expression.

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Originally Posted by Katwoman View Post
What about talking about sleeping together before everyone is tired? My DD1 NEEDS to have some sleep time with me. It's amazing the difference in how resilient she is when we have our scheduled sleep time and when we don't. (There is no way she can make that up.) It reminds me of a battery recharging. We call it treat night. She's known since she was two when treat night is - Wednesday night. We have it every Wed night. If there is a holiday we talk about it before hand and have it on Tues night. Gives her something to look forward too and it allows her to know that I know how important it is to her to have that time together.

Perhaps you could talk to your DD about sleeping together every other night or every third night. That way you both have something to look forward to.
post #7 of 13
I hear you! (The part about sometimes needing some physical space is so true!)

The thing about being a Mom is: it's okay - and quite natural - to have needs too. Unfortunately, it's also in our nature to put them last so everyone else's needs are met first. (ahhh! The giving nature of unconditional love. ) I think it will be easier on nights you need space to explain that to your DD when she knows there will be another night to sleep with you. These wonderful creatures we love have a tendency to be all or nothing beings. "If I don't sleep with you tonight mama, I'll NEVER sleep with you again!" It sure is easier to appreciate that trait at 11 am than it is at 9 pm.
post #8 of 13
I agree with their being a need that needs to be met. and I like the idea of giving her the choice to go to bed on her own at the same time as everyone else, or you will lay for with her for "x" minutes in her bed and she can try to go to sleep then so she gets to snuggle to sleep - you kjnow like maybe you move HER bedtime earlier, but you lay with her until its your bedtime - or she can go on her own at the same time as everyone else, but its her decision.

You say you feel you have been angry for the last 16 months and you also have a 16 month old. So this angery feeling started when your youngest was born. Do you think realizing that you may be able to figure out if and what the correlation is between his birth and you feeling angry a lot these days?
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
i can't fit very well on her bed...it is a toddler sized one! lol but i can try!!!

also, as for what has got me so nasty/angry the past 16 mos. since ds was born...i don't know except i felt alone and overwhelmed & not getting much relief or help w/ dishes, shopping, giving me a break from kids, etc. & dd being so persistant and demanding at times...it was so hard. its still like this although less now that we live w/ my mom. huge weight lifted...and she supports us right now...another huge weight lifted...

i also felt like this when my dd was born as i think i mentioned...her half-sister got my wrath often. i think maybe its PPD still rearing its ugly head...oh but there is so much growth there too ya know?

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Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy View Post
I agree with their being a need that needs to be met. and I like the idea of giving her the choice to go to bed on her own at the same time as everyone else, or you will lay for with her for "x" minutes in her bed and she can try to go to sleep then so she gets to snuggle to sleep - you kjnow like maybe you move HER bedtime earlier, but you lay with her until its your bedtime - or she can go on her own at the same time as everyone else, but its her decision.

You say you feel you have been angry for the last 16 months and you also have a 16 month old. So this angery feeling started when your youngest was born. Do you think realizing that you may be able to figure out if and what the correlation is between his birth and you feeling angry a lot these days?
post #10 of 13
it wouldnt have to be in her bed. she could have those bedtime snuggles in your bed, and then be transferred to her own bed. Or, you can get her a bigger bed! My kids are 2 and 3 and have twin sized beds - no way they would still fit comfortably in a toddler sized one anyway - maybe your daughter would be more comfortable in a bigger bed... may not seem that way since you feel so smooshed in your bed when she is in it, but I find toddler beds to be really uncomfortable and I wouldnt blame her for not wanting to sleep in one!

I completely understand what you are saying doublyblessed. I think its good that you understand why you are feeling that way and also are making the correlation.
post #11 of 13
i got that going on here right now. dd is 6.5 and ds is 28m she want to be with us in the bed. when she sleep it is crazy she is all over kicking, moving talking, just a bundle of fun. she also is hard to get to sleep in the bed with us. what works is start off in your own bed and (i dont say if) when you wake up you are welcome to come in to my bed. sometimes i just cant handle that she cant settle then she is able to sleep in my bed alone and we come in after she is sleeping. if really tired then she will settle easy so i will allow her in my bed but she must be on her own side and give me space (i need it)
post #12 of 13
I think I would start with getting the 6 year old a twin sized bed. She is probably uncomfortable in that little toddler bed. If you got her a twin, maybe she would be more comfy and you could lie down with her until she goes to sleep.
post #13 of 13
Is there room to put get her a twin size bed and then put it right next to yours? Then she could sleep "with" you but not "with" you, kwim?

I have a 4yo who can be pretty demanding too. It's REALLY tiring!
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