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post #221 of 397
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What the heck is the "metal look". I'd be happy to post but I'm not sure what you're looking for. My kids are damn cute, though.

ETA: Ok, I went and looked at the description. DS & DD don't seem particularly puffy. I think DS looks rather thin in the face, actually. However, DS is 19 months and still only has 6 teeth. So I'd say that's delayed. He is also behind on speech, as far as I'm concerned (he tested 3 months behind). And of course he's small. So that would kind of fit with metals. Do you want me to post an "inconclusive" picture?
direct link to the description

I'm thinking it could be really helpful to have a gallery of midline defects, and a gallery of 'metal looks,' to try and eliminate some of the guesswork in reading and interpreting descriptions and trying to match them to our dc's. It may be useful to someone down the line if you want to post a picture of 'XX and XX toxic 19mo boy.'

It's also fun to look at cute kids
post #222 of 397
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Yeah, this is me. I'm so sad about it. Especially since DS is so cute at this age & I'm sure DD was too but I can't remember.
Take a lot of pictures/videos. I can remember my childhood pretty accurately. I usually have to have 3 or 4 tries to get the right kid's name though (I include the dog and DH's name when I'm trying to think of the right one). And I usually just say "whoever you are".
post #223 of 397
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
I know Weston Price says that nutrition is everything with teeth, but aren't there genetic facial structures as there are genetic everything else, and isn't it possible that when different facial structures meet genetically sometimes you'll have issues? DH's family all had braces and all had too many teeth and small jaws, but they all had great nutrition. So isn't this a possibility?
I can answer from the perspective of a mom with significant nutritional deficiencies, and two kids with very different facial structures (my daughter is a clone of DH, my son isn't--maybe a little like me in the jawline, maybe my SIL and BIL, it's hard to be sure, but clearly not DH).

My kids have very different manifestations of their nutritional deficiencies--and Price said these deficiencies are mostly fat-soluble vitamins, A, D, and K2--it is rare, very rare, for people to actually consume anywhere near as much of these things as Price discussed. Good nutrition, the Price definition, barely happens in the US, which is why I think we have such a hard time recognizing it. We're mostly looking at versions of less-than-adequate.

I put up pics in the "metal look" page that whoMe linked to.

My daughter (1st child)--pinched middle third of the face, posterior TT, high, arched palate, and irregularly spaced teeth.

My son (I was far more nutritionally depleted for him than for my daughter)--very symmetric, evenly spaced teeth, even the crowding of his bottom jaw, which is where he mostly shows his deficiencies, he has quite the heart-shaped face--a little pinched in the middle third of the face, but mostly the heart-shaped jawline, anterior and posterior TTs, high, arched palate.

I believe that if/when I ever get my nutrition right, my kids won't have tongue ties, they won't have the heart-shaped jaw thing, and their nostrils will be wider. But I don't know exactly how they'll look--if you pop over to whoMe's link, you'll see that my kids' basic face shapes are quite different, and I don't think that is at all problematic, that part is genetic. And how each of them manifest the nutritional deficiencies is genetic (depending on who they mostly take after). So if I can correct this with diet and getting rid of the high toxic load and cranial-sacral, then they'll look very different from each other, but both will look the healthiest they can.
post #224 of 397
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First, to Susannah and Jacqueline, I can't imagine the stress and fear.

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Originally Posted by ellasmama2007 View Post
nessa, that sounds like a blissful evening. dd will not sleep for anyone but me.
what do you girls use for toothpaste for yourselves and your dcs? xylitol?
toms of maine makes my tastebuds swell up and my tongue get sore so i went back to our regular old colgate :and im currently not using anything with dd.
We're using EcoDent tooth powder. We use cinnamon, I hear lemon-lime is good, but peppermint is a bit too strong. It's no-fluoride, for those that care one way or the other, and it's supposed to promote remineralization. And it's tasty, I think.

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Does anyone have any memory issues here? I've always had bad long term recall. I do ok with recent stuff considering the lack of sleep but I've always had trouble with long term stuff. Is this an allergy? And Adrenal? A thyroid? Something else?
I remember that coming up with the lead, but I have no idea why, or what exactly is going on. Wish I could help with that one.

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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
I was wondering if remineralization would even be possible for those of us with huge nutritional deficits.
Personally I believe it is, and I think the only reason the kids haven't had issues is that I'm supplementing up the wazoo (well, actually orally). I'm guessing that to overcome impaired mineral transport, you need to make digestion at least halfway decent, and then have extra high levels of minerals and fat soluble vitamins. I can say that, strangely enough, my son's teeth are pretty. Crowded, yes, but they're a very attractive white color, and I'm guessing it's because he absorbs/digests better than my daughter and I supplement to the heavens. I need to work more on my daughter's digestion. And this is why I am in the pills-are-good camp. : I know I have such a skewed view, and I still admire getting most everything from food, but I've sorta copped out on it for now (it's still a long-term goal though, really!).
post #225 of 397
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
I assume kahlua has corn in it. Not that long ago I found a website that listed allergens in alcohols. Not sure if I can find it again. I think it was more than gluten free; maybe it was a corn free website. Not sure. I'll look.
I think that it would be fine for me. This says that vodka is GF, and I doubt it would have dairy, eggs, peanut, or citrus in it (right?). We are okay with corn (so far as I know).

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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
I want to go out! It's been 3 years since I went out without DH and the kids (3 years on Mother's Day). Oh well. What's another 2 or 3 more?
<snip>
I'm sorry about your loved one. I know it wasn't about me, but I still feel like I should have done more, iykwim. Problem was that I didn't know anyone else that he knew so I had no one TO alert.
Seriously, it has been 3 years since you went out on your own? Find a way to remedy that!!!!

I do know what you mean. IME, (unfortunately) if someone makes that decision there is very very little anyone else can do to change their mind. It is for sure a hard place to be, and a hard journey back from that experience.




I've got yet another question for ya'll. A little bit of TMI, sorry. . .DP told me last night that DS has been having poop issues. He is going 8-10 times a day (not small ones either), they are really loose, and the color is really "off". He has been going in his pants about half of the time (he had nearly completely potty learned). Apparently this has been building up for about two weeks now. We started supplements for DS (EPA/DHA and bifidus) three weeks ago. I started chinese herbs three weeks ago. We cut all known allergens from our diet a month ago. Sooooo - any ideas on what is going on? Coincidence or related?
post #226 of 397
cute pics, thanks Tanya!

Do you think they fit sonnambula's description?
eta oh right, you answered that in the other thread, right? you have a hard time telling?
post #227 of 397
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cute pics, thanks Tanya!

Do you think they fit sonnambula's description?
eta oh right, you answered that in the other thread, right? you have a hard time telling?
Thanks. They're cuter when they smile--I really did look for neutral pics--it's easier to see facial structure (the midline/Price issues) and I hoped it'd be easier to see the metal look thing too.

I have no idea if they fit sonnambula's description, I really have a hard time reading about something and then seeing if what I'm looking at matches. I'd love to hear her opinion, I'd trust that WAY more than my own. And honestly, I have very little perspective with kids, I don't think I do good with faces in general(I remember thinking all the guys at my high school looked the same, and I knew that was pathetic at the time, I'm just that bad with faces).
post #228 of 397
If you can find a corn free instant coffee, you could make your own kahlua, Kathy. Here's one recipe for it.

I wonder if Irish cream could be made using coconut cream rather than condensed milk and heavy cream and then leaving out the nut flavoring?

ETA: Of course, that doesn't remove the stumbling block of the fact that Irish cream calls for chocolate syrup. (Kathy)
post #229 of 397
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
Thanks. They're cuter when they smile--I really did look for neutral pics--it's easier to see facial structure (the midline/Price issues) and I hoped it'd be easier to see the metal look thing too.

I have no idea if they fit sonnambula's description, I really have a hard time reading about something and then seeing if what I'm looking at matches. I'd love to hear her opinion, I'd trust that WAY more than my own. And honestly, I have very little perspective with kids, I don't think I do good with faces in general(I remember thinking all the guys at my high school looked the same, and I knew that was pathetic at the time, I'm just that bad with faces).
Again, I'm just dense. I don't see it. You're kids look great to me.
post #230 of 397
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
And honestly, I have very little perspective with kids, I don't think I do good with faces in general(I remember thinking all the guys at my high school looked the same, and I knew that was pathetic at the time, I'm just that bad with faces).
Dh is the same way - he's horrible with faces. Actually, there was someone in college who had a condition where he couldn't recognize faces at all. I wonder what regulates that and if it provides any clues...
post #231 of 397
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
If you can find a corn free instant coffee, you could make your own kahlua, Kathy. Here's one recipe for it.

I wonder if Irish cream could be made using coconut cream rather than condensed milk and heavy cream and then leaving out the nut flavoring?

ETA: Of course, that doesn't remove the stumbling block of the fact that Irish cream calls for chocolate syrup. (Kathy)
There's chocolate in Bailey's? Really? I never thought it tasted chocolate-y. I guess I'm out of luck on the chocolate cherry martinis I was making last summer (that was dairy free) and the root beer float martinis of the year before (not dairy free). Port is expensive, but safe. I tried making something with coconut milk not too long ago and it wasn't that great. It was before I went corn/chocolate free though. The only thing I use kahlua in is mudslides. I'm not a coffee fan at all. And without chocolate, a mudslide would be... not a mudslide.

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Again, I'm just dense. I don't see it. You're kids look great to me.
Me too.

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Originally Posted by Susannah M View Post
I think that it would be fine for me. This says that vodka is GF, and I doubt it would have dairy, eggs, peanut, or citrus in it (right?). We are okay with corn (so far as I know).
I know that according to the celiac websites all distilled liquors (and vinegars) are gluten free. I'm just not ready to test that theory on myself yet. Because for one thing I don't know if gluten free means wheat free in this case and I don't know if it's just the gluten in wheat that bothers me or other parts of the wheat and I'm too chicken to find out. But without corn, dairy, and soy, it limits it.

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I've got yet another question for ya'll. A little bit of TMI, sorry. . .DP told me last night that DS has been having poop issues. He is going 8-10 times a day (not small ones either), they are really loose, and the color is really "off". He has been going in his pants about half of the time (he had nearly completely potty learned). Apparently this has been building up for about two weeks now. We started supplements for DS (EPA/DHA and bifidus) three weeks ago. I started chinese herbs three weeks ago. We cut all known allergens from our diet a month ago. Sooooo - any ideas on what is going on? Coincidence or related?
Are the bifidus/hers too much for him? Could it be detox? It sounds like something is definitely going on. I just don't know what. I don't know anything about Chineseherbs.
post #232 of 397
Check out Dr. Amy Yasko's message board forum: http://ch3nutrigenomics.com/phpBB2/

Pat
post #233 of 397
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Again, I'm just dense. I don't see it. You're kids look great to me.
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Me too.
Thanks. The Price/midline stuff (in my mind it really overlaps, it's two different descriptions of the same phenomenon) is really obvious to me, and I see it in myself as well. The v in my teeth, my tongue is just slightly heart-shaped (vs my husband's is pointy like a spear), but DH and I both have high, arched palates. And it's just more intense in the kids, so that stuff I really see. And I have this hope/goal of being able to at least reduce the intensity, and maybe make it go away altogether, by the time they're, say, entering their teen years, and then if I can feed them right then, then hopefully they'll get fairly close to their potential. Whether I can do this, with nutrition or financially for stuff like CST, I just don't know.

Knowing I have significant nutritional deficits (and a lot of the improvements I've seen, like my son getting sick less, seem nutritional in nature), it seems easier to see it in the kids. And it really brings home Price's descriptions and pics from Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. For us, it all seems to fit together, and the toxicity is just the thing that made our nutritional deficiencies obvious.
post #234 of 397
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double post again... having such difficulty seeing/reading/responding at MDC in the past few days!
post #235 of 397
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He is also behind on speech, as far as I'm concerned (he tested 3 months behind).
What counts as "behind" in speech at 19mo? I'm just curious, as DD is almost hitting the 18mo mark and has very few words.

I'm with you on the memory loss. I remember very little of my childhood- really just random snippets.

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I'm supplementing up the wazoo (well, actually orally).
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JR- I haven't been out by myself either in at least 2 years. Not quite as long as you though. We need to go out together sometime.

Well, I got cocky. I made buckwheat pancakes this morning (since I decided yesterday that surely the buckwheat must be fine), and BOY do I smell today. : So I guess it was the buckwheat after all. And apparently something else too, since I was still gassy (although not as bad). Gah. I need a drink. (Trying to take the attention off of Kathy the lush here. )

Oh- and after expressing my concerns to our mortgage guy about how long it took him to get us our pre-cert last week (and us losing the house because of it), he decided that he's not going to work with us anymore. Which really is a good thing, because obviously he sucks... but now we have to go bank shopping again and have no time to do it.
post #236 of 397
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Not in the least. I am easily offended IRL, but not usually by you guys.



I know Weston Price says that nutrition is everything with teeth, but aren't there genetic facial structures as there are genetic everything else, and isn't it possible that when different facial structures meet genetically sometimes you'll have issues? DH's family all had braces and all had too many teeth and small jaws, but they all had great nutrition. So isn't this a possibility?
You're right. Once I found out about WAP, I see small jaws everywhere and wonder about the children's nutrition.

I'd accept a genetic argument, but in our case, both myself and my husband have well-shaped mouths and neither of us every needed braces. This is what got me thinking about the possible nutrition aspects with respect to DS's mouth. That and he's breastfed! I thought breastfeeding was supposed to prevent all problems!

(My mouth was particularly small, though, as I had a dentist who did teeth pulling to make room for the molars coming in.)
post #237 of 397
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Well, I got cocky. I made buckwheat pancakes this morning (since I decided yesterday that surely the buckwheat must be fine), and BOY do I smell today. : So I guess it was the buckwheat after all. And apparently something else too, since I was still gassy (although not as bad). Gah. I need a drink. (Trying to take the attention off of Kathy the lush here. )

Oh- and after expressing my concerns to our mortgage guy about how long it took him to get us our pre-cert last week (and us losing the house because of it), he decided that he's not going to work with us anymore. Which really is a good thing, because obviously he sucks... but now we have to go bank shopping again and have no time to do it.
I'm sorry

I'm going to guess starch/carb intolerance and suggest biotin (again). Cause that sounds sssssoooooo much like what I was dealing with, and biotin was like magic for me
post #238 of 397
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What counts as "behind" in speech at 19mo? I'm just curious, as DD is almost hitting the 18mo mark and has very few words.

I'm with you on the memory loss. I remember very little of my childhood- really just random snippets.



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JR- I haven't been out by myself either in at least 2 years. Not quite as long as you though. We need to go out together sometime.

Well, I got cocky. I made buckwheat pancakes this morning (since I decided yesterday that surely the buckwheat must be fine), and BOY do I smell today. : So I guess it was the buckwheat after all. And apparently something else too, since I was still gassy (although not as bad). Gah. I need a drink. (Trying to take the attention off of Kathy the lush here. )

Oh- and after expressing my concerns to our mortgage guy about how long it took him to get us our pre-cert last week (and us losing the house because of it), he decided that he's not going to work with us anymore. Which really is a good thing, because obviously he sucks... but now we have to go bank shopping again and have no time to do it.
Well that sucks. Remember, the right mortgage person will come to you and make the next transaction so much smoother.
post #239 of 397
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Originally Posted by kjbrown92 View Post
No tongue ties at all. I'm sure if I have food intolerances that I also have malabsorption issues. Though DD1 doesn't have food intolerances. I have Vitamin D issues though they're getting better.
Not to doubt you, just to make sure we're on the same page - no non-obvious tongue ties either? No posterior tie, no 'v' in the bottom teeth (here's my pic of dd), and I'm pretty sure she's got a slight tie. No bf'ing issues to speak of, but there's only half an inch or less from the tip of her tongue to where the frenulum attaches. IIRC, normal is an inch or more (on a newborn).
post #240 of 397
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Chlobo, from pages ago, was that your bowel tolerance amt of vitamin C? And how much was it, if I may ask?

CS--the right person will come to you--it's better to weed this person out now than have to deal with them when you're in the middle of actually purchasing a house, eh?

Interesting note on houses--when we moved to Houston, we looked and found a really neat house, very cool yard, neat architectural stuff, but it was a fixer-upper. Price was good, and I _think_ the work was stuff either we could do or we could contract out, but we put in an offer and lost out. Turns out that's the best thing ever, we would've had serious stress either trying to fix it up, or having to live with the problems (there was a wall with no drywall, things like that) because I think I overestimated how much we could've gotten done (energy-wise) and our finances have been more strained than we originally anticipated. So although it seemed like such a cool house at the time, it really wasn't a good fit. Sometimes in retrospect, these things pop out at you.
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