Chat Thread: March 28 - April 3 - Page 19

[kortner]

Before the thread runs away, I just want to mention how *inspiring* it is to hear about Lily weaning and your DS2, mom. Thank you for sharing this. I will certainly reflect upon it many times in our nursing relationship and I know it will bring me confidence and joy. I don't have any examples like this IRL, so it means a lot. Really truly.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine

So, are you two saying that I can just start the biotin, and watch for symptoms, and if it helps, then don't worry about it, but if it causes symptoms, I may need to stop it and adjust some other things first?

I'm just trying to get all this stuff straight in my head, in regards to how the detox stuff works. I have this image that, if the detox pathways aren't open, and then I take something that mobilizes toxins, then the toxins will be circulating through my body and my body won't be able to efficiently excrete them, and so they can get redeposited in other tissues, like even the brain.

Didn't somebody say that? Because it's had me kind of hesitating to start anything until I figure out the whole picture.

But I'd really like to just jump in and try some things, because putting it off is not helping either...

Yeah, I'm still not clear on what's going on either. I know I need to support my kidneys better so that I can more efficiently excrete stuff, but I don't know if that's as simple as staying better hydrated (I'm really bad at that). We learn about the kidneys next quarter, I'm hoping that will shed some light In the mean time, I'm adding nutrients that I know we're missing because I don't think we've got dangerous stuff floating around, so I'm not too worried about redistributing it. I can handle days or months of 'typical two year old' behavior, if it allows me to figure out what's going on and fix it sooner. But the worst of our behavior stuff is youtube addictions and easy frustration when bored. And getting bored. I can say that by just jumping in, I've learned SO MUCH, that it probably would have taken a full masters of nutrition to know (so another three years) and then, who knows if I would have even been able to put the pieces together right. I figure we're probably doing some damage by just jumping in, but we'd be doing more by not doing anything and letting the deficiencies get worse.

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

whoMe's getting a lot of folate from lentils

I've actually ended my love affair with lentils - we're on a break, since they seem to be giving me reflux. I'm experimenting with chicken liver now. Also high in copper, but has vit A and cholesterol, too.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I figure we're probably doing some damage by just jumping in, but we'd be doing more by not doing anything and letting the deficiencies get worse.

Yeah, I think this is the approach I am taking now, that it's worse to just keep waiting until you "know" it all (which would never happen anyway).

I do remember PB/SB saying, when asked about doing stuff that mobilizes toxins, etc, she said something like yes, I did do that, but I felt comfortable doing it because I was supporting my liver. I don't know if she was talking about a specific supp at the time, or just all this detox stuff in general.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by kortner

Before the thread runs away, I just want to mention how *inspiring* it is to hear about Lily weaning and your DS2, mom. Thank you for sharing this. I will certainly reflect upon it many times in our nursing relationship and I know it will bring me confidence and joy. I don't have any examples like this IRL, so it means a lot. Really truly.

awwww.

it's very sweet to wean with no tears and no trauma. this was 100% her decision. at 3y11m2d. and i'm thrilled for her because it means her foundation is feeling solid to her and she is ready to strike out in independence, a bit, on her own timetable in her own way. she's also started putting herself to sleep at night and choosing her own outfits for the day. it's lovely.

and *i'm* doing okay, because aev is still nursing a ton, so my hormones aren't suddenly in upheaval. lily was down to 1x/day for months and then started dropping days here and there. so gradual. so nice for everyone involved (i.e. the whole family!!).

[kjbrown92]

how come all my kids weaned themselves so young? I was so sad when each of them stopped (and engorged too, ouch).

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by menomena

lily was down to 1x/day for months and then started dropping days here and there. so gradual. so nice for everyone involved (i.e. the whole family!!).

Shush. DS2's almost there.
He has days where he's dropped every nursing session except for his bedtime milkies and his middle of the night "I woke up and want mom" milkies.
I kind of want to get rid of the middle of the night nursing session... but if I do, it wouldn't be CLW still, would it? I just think it would make having the new LO much easier.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

how come all my kids weaned themselves so young? I was so sad when each of them stopped (and engorged too, ouch).

kathy, i don't know your stories in detail, but they were all under (or around) a year, right? that is PRIME TIME for nursing strikes and/or distraction city (life is just too darn busy for nursing, especially when sippie cups and modern food is so portable and filling). many moms report a decrease in nursing around this time (and a pick up in the 15+ month range).

also the fact that you were engorged sounds like it was sudden weaning. that reinforces my ideas about nursing strike.

i can talk more about this if people are open to hearing why this happens and how you can address it if you want to preserve the nursing relationship. I'm a LLL Leader and go on and on (and on) about various breastfeeding management issues.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by menomena

kathy, i don't know your stories in detail, but they were all under (or around) a year, right? that is PRIME TIME for nursing strikes and/or distraction city (life is just too darn busy for nursing, especially when sippie cups and modern food is so portable and filling). many moms report a decrease in nursing around this time (and a pick up in the 15+ month range).

also the fact that you were engorged sounds like it was sudden weaning. that reinforces my ideas about nursing strike.

Actually DD2, who was between 12 and 13 months was gradual. She just wasn't that interested in continuing, so I was surprised that I was engorged (to the point of stuffing cabbage leaves down my shirt).

With DD1 (10 months) and DS (8 months), they would bite me and scream at me, and fight me if I tried to put them to the breast. I tried pumping and giving them the milk in bottles or sippy cups and they just wanted nothing to do with it. I tried for a while, and they just kept biting and screaming at me. I was distressed especially with DS since I knew he couldn't have milk or soy but he wanted no part of it. If it was a nursing strike, it was long and they should have taken it in the bottle or the cup or somehow. They would chuck it at me. Much like they did with pacifiers. Spit it across the room. They're all very stubborn children. I'm done having kids anyway so I guess it doesn't matter anymore. I just remember being sad and with DD2 I was so happy that she at least made it longer than the other two. I loved BFing them. Even if it was 12 times a night, I still loved it.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Actually DD2, who was between 12 and 13 months was gradual. She just wasn't that interested in continuing, so I was surprised that I was engorged (to the point of stuffing cabbage leaves down my shirt).

With DD1 (10 months) and DS (8 months), they would bite me and scream at me, and fight me if I tried to put them to the breast. I tried pumping and giving them the milk in bottles or sippy cups and they just wanted nothing to do with it. I tried for a while, and they just kept biting and screaming at me. I was distressed especially with DS since I knew he couldn't have milk or soy but he wanted no part of it. If it was a nursing strike, it was long and they should have taken it in the bottle or the cup or somehow. They would chuck it at me. Much like they did with pacifiers. Spit it across the room. They're all very stubborn children. I'm done having kids anyway so I guess it doesn't matter anymore. I just remember being sad and with DD2 I was so happy that she at least made it longer than the other two. I loved BFing them. Even if it was 12 times a night, I still loved it.

was this before you figured out all the allergy stuff?

there are always complicating factors. nothing is black and white. i'm sorry the end to your nursing relationships didn't go as you'd envisioned them, but I'm glad you are able to enjoy and appreciate what you did have.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by menomena

was this before you figured out all the allergy stuff?

there are always complicating factors. nothing is black and white. i'm sorry the end to your nursing relationships didn't go as you'd envisioned them, but I'm glad you are able to enjoy and appreciate what you did have.

DD2 didn't have any intolerances. I only knew about DS's milk and soy ones back then. And with DD2, I hadn't realized she had issues until she weaned but still wouldn't sleep.

[lil_miss_understood]

I am totally knackered today. (I love that word, btw. Say it out loud. It's such an awesome word. Knackered. ) I want a nap but now it's too late for one.
DH and I went to the store to look for a new carseat. We're "discussing" which one to get (read: I'm saying "I want this one and we need one very soon." and he's saying "I don't want to get that one. I don't like any of them. We still have time.").
I'm going to go and try to find something to do that maybe will wake me up some.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I am totally knackered today. (I love that word, btw. Say it out loud. It's such an awesome word. Knackered. )

JR, you just absolutely crack me up! to you today!! Hope you are feeling good!

[menomena]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I am totally knackered today. (I love that word, btw. Say it out loud. It's such an awesome word. Knackered. ) I want a nap but now it's too late for one.
DH and I went to the store to look for a new carseat. We're "discussing" which one to get (read: I'm saying "I want this one and we need one very soon." and he's saying "I don't want to get that one. I don't like any of them. We still have time.").
I'm going to go and try to find something to do that maybe will wake me up some.

I had to re read this. I thought that knackered meant drunk?!?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I'm going to go and try to find something to do that maybe will wake me up some.

Dd missed her nap today, cause I dragged her to the park so I could meet up with locals to talk biochem

She fell asleep, nursing at 5pm. I wasn't too worried that she would, cause she was standing up!: she's out for the night.

Kathy! Are the people in your family with crocked teeth and long tongues mouth breathers? (Advertising my new thread in dental)

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by whoMe

She fell asleep, nursing at 5pm. I wasn't too worried that she would, cause she was standing up!: she's out for the night.

[ellasmama2007]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

I am in the middle of watching the video Hidden Dangers in Kids Meals (it's about GMO stuff), and one section really caught my attention and made me think of you.

I was putting away laundry and trying to listen over a screaming toddler while watching it last night, so I need to watch it again and get the whole story. But, the segment was about a supplement reaction epidemic that caused a huge rise in.... :..... eosinophils! I think he was talking about a case where an l-tryptophan supplement was making thousands of people sick, and it turned out to be because this particular manufacturer had switched to a GMO ingredient. But the gov't covered it all up and said that it was from their changes in processing or something stupid like that.

Anyway, I didn't get the whole story... but thought maybe it was something to look into for you. Maybe one of your supplements had some funky GMO genes that went haywire in your system.

thank you for thinking of me! i didnt get to read through the whole thread but i wanted to reply to this for sheezy. i had heard about this somewhere through the grapevine when all he!! was breaking loose for me last fall. it's really a very scary thing that something that's supposed to increase your health can result in life-threatening circumstances. it further validates all of Pat's efforts to get us eatin our nutrients.
my oncologist wanted me to drop all supps except for one multi per day, but i keep trying so desperately to open our pathways and heal our guts and everything that i cant seem to replace them with foods. for me, the high eos *seemed* to be related to the clo (since im still taking all the other supps. i havent read anything about anyone else having issues with the twinlabs clo so im thinking it's just me. its quite a coincidence that my eos have gone totally nuts like that and im slowly losing foods while ella cant tolerate just about any foods at all. seems like eos are not our friends.

[mtn.mama]

M- Sorry to hear that you're losing foods. I wanted to say that TwinLab CLO was not good for us... Our lives got alot better after we quit using it. I still have a bottle in the fridge that I test occasionally, and its never passed the crystal test again- in the 8 months since we put it away.

[Theloose]

who know anything about taurine? It's made from cysteine, important in the brain, virtually gone from vegan diets, used along with magnesium to regulate calcium ion channels and important for joints. Got anything to add? Any other leads?
eta oh yeah, and bile

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

how come all my kids weaned themselves so young? I was so sad when each of them stopped (and engorged too, ouch).

Kathy! You are an amazing mama! Every day you nursed them was the very best!

It's funny I just write about NOT nursing, and this afternoon, we read stories on the couch, DS2 had been a bit fussy with no nap (he rarely takes one anymore), but he was ready to go to sleep. So, he asked to nurse, and we nursed, and he fell asleep, and he's asleep for the night now! So I've actually gotten a lot done tonight and been incredibly productive!! Now I remember why I love the bedtime nursing, he always went to sleep a lot faster....

Just came back to finish writing this post because he woke up at 9 pm and was up for two hours after having a 2.5 hour nap! Oh well!

[lastrid]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Yes, it was. I ripped it somehow when I was about 7, I think, though and it grew out or something because it's not there (beyond a ridge) anymore.
I don't remember it being particularly stretchy or flexible no... I mean, there was some movement to it but it was attached from behind my front teeth to the roof of my mouth.
It probably is just my oddity, Tanya. I can't seem to do anything "normal" so why would my "tongue tie" be like anyone else's?
I've considered lining up someone who's knowledgeable in tongue ties, but I'm still kind of in denial and hoping against hope that we won't have an issue.

I have a little "fin" right behind my teeth. I had a really thick labial frenulum removed when I was 10, so it might be vestigal from that, or it might be normal, I don't really know.